Bhai Guriqbal Singh - Has he made a scientific discovery?

Randip Singh · #1 (**permalink**) 02-Oct-2009, 23:01 PM

Sikhism Knowledges: Bhai Guriqbal Singh ji, combining sewa and kirtan, visiting US this week

Is this fellow firing on all cylinders?

He made a claim the other day, that was totally ridiculed by some learned people on Punjab Radio, that if you are suffering from a vitamin deficiency , the way to cure it, is to do Ardas over a bowl of daal and eat it, and it will cure you.
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Anyone else here this?

Dr Gurdeep Singh on the Radio, totally rubbished his claims (rightly so).

This kind of Pakhandhi Poona by Bhai's is not only irresponsible it is dangerous.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 07:09 AM

Such insufferable FOOLS are also INVITED to MALAYSIA..by those who should know better since they undertook the task of IMPARTING GURBANI TEACHING to Children .
What sort of Role Models are they ?? With thair talk of miraclous cures..putting seriously sick persons off medicines and into Tuk jaaps ..... reciting various Tuks ONLY...or his recent chhochha "Drama" of WRITING WAHEGURU repeatedly...50,000....100,000 times etc and getting Medals for that..and now this book on 52 ways Sukhmani Sahib cures diseases !!..GRANTS WISHES....ha Ha ha...etc...am i the only one laughing ??
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He and his Chelas regularly make trips abroad...if the Punjabis can stand them..why should the Diaspora Sikhs follow suit ?? are we also that stupid ? IMHO Punjab with its hundreds of thousands of DERAS, and Marrhees and Samadhs and Pir Graves etc which are being POOJAED..prayed on..by "amritdharee" sikhs no less...???? amrtidharees ?? Yes the Banna wearing types who have ZERO SIKHI inside except what such babas put in.

harbansj24 · #3 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 14:32 PM

This claim of coarse has to be dismissed out of hand.

Having said that, I wish to remind you that a few weeks back, we had discussed in this forum, the value of Ardas along with medicines. Because that puts the patient in a positive frame of mind, which in turn triggers beneficial biochemical reactions in him.
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A few days back a noted cardiac surgeon visited our place of work and made a presentation on cardiac care. He said that genuine sants were a great help to the patient both in the pre operative and rehab stages precisely for the above reasons. He said that they were more effective than even professional counselors!

Randip Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 16:23 PM

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Originally Posted by harbansj24

This claim of coarse has to be dismissed out of hand.

Having said that, I wish to remind you that a few weeks back, we had discussed in this forum, the value of Ardas along with medicines. Because that puts the patient in a positive frame of mind, which in turn triggers beneficial biochemical reactions in him.

A few days back a noted cardiac surgeon visited our place of work and made a presentation on cardiac care. He said that genuine sants were a great help to the patient both in the pre operative and rehab stages precisely for the above reasons. He said that they were more effective than even professional counselors!

Ardas, Meditation etc has countless benefits. Slows heart rate, can stop anxiety etc etc. I used to use it just before I lifted heavy weights.

In this instance, however, this pakhandhi is telling people to ignore medical advice.Ardas can help medicinal advice, but to ignore medical advice and just use ardas is irresponsible.

I say good on Dr Gurdeep Singh for rubbing this "Bhai".

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #5 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 18:51 PM

Harbans Ji and Randip ji,
Gurfateh Jios.

What this New fangled Baba "sells" is snake oil...that is not how Gurbani is to be used.
Of course reading Gurbani, doingmeditation, performing daily Nitnem, sukhmani sahib, going to Gurdwara listening to kirtan, performing ardass..and keeping Guru Ji on ones mind ahs immesureable benefits...and cannot be dismissed out of hand..BUT this Guriqbal PAKHAND is not worth a second look.
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Guru har rai ji MAINTAINED a Very Famous Dwa Khanna---store house of Medicinal HERBS. In Fact so famous was this dwakhanna (Pharmacy) that The Mughal Emperor also used its medicines for his son Dara Shikoh..GURU JI gave him the appropriate Medicines..and didnt just send him away by saying..Repeat this TUK..or that I WILL do an Ardass for him..and thats enough..of course Guru Ji could ahve cured the most serious disease just by saying so..in an INSTANT..BUT he didnt..that is BREAKING NATURAL LAWS !! a miracle..against Gurmatt...so WHO is Baba Guriqbal..to suggest that he can do better than Guru ji Himslef !!
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That is why he was RUBBISHED so well by Gurdeep singh of radio Punjab and all his listeners who kept the phones ringing !!! Means that there are still Sikhs who use their BRAINS...

Hardip Singh · #6 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 19:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Harbans Ji and Randip ji,
Gurfateh Jios.

What this New fangled Baba "sells" is snake oil...that is not how Gurbani is to be used.
Of course reading Gurbani, doingmeditation, performing daily Nitnem, sukhmani sahib, going to Gurdwara listening to kirtan, performing ardass..and keeping Guru Ji on ones mind ahs immesureable benefits...and cannot be dismissed out of hand..BUT this Guriqbal PAKHAND is not worth a second look.
Guru har rai ji MAINTAINED a Very Famous Dwa Khanna---store house of Medicinal HERBS. In Fact so famous was this dwakhanna (Pharmacy) that The Mughal Emperor also used its medicines for his son Dara Shikoh..GURU JI gave him the appropriate Medicines..and didnt just send him away by saying..Repeat this TUK..or that I WILL do an Ardass for him..and thats enough..of course Guru Ji could ahve cured the most serious disease just by saying so..in an INSTANT..BUT he didnt..that is BREAKING NATURAL LAWS !! a miracle..against Gurmatt...so WHO is Baba Guriqbal..to suggest that he can do better than Guru ji Himslef !!
That is why he was RUBBISHED so well by Gurdeep singh of radio Punjab and all his listeners who kept the phones ringing !!! Means that there are still Sikhs who use their BRAINS...

Gyanni jee,
Than what was Guru Harkishan Sahib's miracle cure on citizens of Delhi. How we will explain it in this context.

Narayanjot Kaur · #7 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 21:46 PM

Forgive my intrusion.

Guru Harkrishan to the best of my knowledge was using common sense. The miracle was his steadfast devotion to his seva. In the end he died from devotion. Even today -- the simple fact is that tending with love is a big part of a cure.
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Death from smallpox is from high fevers and dehydration. Not from the microbes that cause it. The healthy (for the time) feared contact. So the victims died of dehydration and neglect, not from the small pox. Same would be true to day. His devotion, and his fearlessness in the face of death (literally) is what saved them.

Guru Harkrishan ji is the person I will never be. This month is his Gurgaddi! Praise him.

harbansj24 · #8 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 21:50 PM

Hardip Singh ji,

I do not know.

Well I can only guess that Guru Harkrishan sahib ji also must have used his psychological prowess (and his great credibility as a Guru) to put the patients in a positive frame of mind which in turn would have catalyzed proper treatment which I am sure he not have asked to be stopped (unlike reportedly as Bhai Gur Iqbal Singh)

As I have said in my last post the medical community is also realising that they can work along with religious persons for a better cure. This can replace a placebo which also is known to have a better effect but the danger is that the patient may come to know about it and he may feel cheated. This can have a rebound effect on the patient.

Randip Singh · #9 (**permalink**) 03-Oct-2009, 22:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardip Singh

Gyanni jee,
Than what was Guru Harkishan Sahib's miracle cure on citizens of Delhi. How we will explain it in this context.

I think the posts above me have explained this adequately.

The greatest miracle of all was turning Jackles into Lions and teaching the Sparrow to challenge the Hawk!

Yet, we humans still want our Guru's to part the sea's? The miracle is you and I are here and our ancestors survived.

Our Guru's always accepted Gods Hukam, and never interfered with it.

Guru Harkrishan accepted it and eased peoples suffering and gave people the BELIEF, which can be worth more than a vaccine by itself.

From a historical basis, I would be cautious. There are a lot of miracles attributed to the Guru's, yet when the evidence is examined, one finds it is unreliable.

What this Pakhandhi Bhai is saying is he can interfere with God hukam. God created certain plants to be medicine. This man is saying your interfere with that hukam.