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01-Jun-2007, 18:28 PM
|  | (simpy previously Surinder Kaur Cheema) | | | Enrolled: Mar 28th, 2006
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Respected Vinod/Venod Ji, Quote: |
Originally Posted by Venod God is always one and was like this only. Whether He understands ‘Om’ or ‘Ong’ it matters a little, all that matter is that we did our duty. Sikhs are the most beautiful human beings but have closed themselves into a shell. Try to break it. Make your presence felt. After being with you for a small time I am convinced that Sikhi is the greatest gift to mankind and most fortunate are those who are blessed with this. | Sikhs presence is felt for sure- no wonder many are after this religion to destroy it from its roots, THIS CANNOT HAPPEN WITHOUT SOMEBODY FEELING THE VERY STRONG PRESENCE MY VEER. If there is no presence, who cares?????? AS ME NEECH SAID BEFORE MY DEAR VEER- SIKH DE KOL ANMOL KHAZAANA HAI BANI DA, and anybody and everybody is able to use it..... 'Bani Nirankaar' what a true Sikh has, Our Guru's have showered us with such a precious gift, NOBODY IN THE WORLD HAS Something like IT SIR........ if Sikhs dont have anything, then why Sikhs have been attacked, killed, exploited and looted by the Indian Goverment and other Sikh Haters in 80s and before as well as after, why there was an attack on Akaal Takht, KOI TA KHAZAANA HAI that's making others jealous of SIKHS or MAY BE AFRAID OF US 'SIKHS'. OTHERWISE WHY ALL THIS?????? its not our ZEROism but our HEROism that is bothering others.... IN 500 YEARS WE ARE THIS(inspite of all hidden backbiting and Attacks and looting from anti sikhs, inspite of the attempts to destroy Sikh History), IMAGINE IN ANOTHER 500 YEARS............................. dear veer Vinod/venod ji, me neech suggest you to open your closed mind and believe your own line-"Sikhi is the greatest gift to mankind and most fortunate are those who are blessed with this" endless thanks to you..... one another thing, when a person's quest is over as you say- Quote: |
Originally Posted by Venod My quest is over | me neech believe that this should be a state of complete peace, WELL CONGRATULATIONS FROM THE CORE OF MY HEART FOR REACHING THAT STATE OF BEING AND SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ALL OF US...... please stay around to help other lost souls  , may somebody needs guidance from a SAINTLY SOUL like YOURSELF......... can these be the words of such a SOUL- Quote: |
Originally Posted by Venod I am not interested in indulging in somethiong that may not be palatable. However, I do point out the significance of standardisation. In the last post Harjas ji has stated that ' Wahegur' and 'ek ongkar, satnaam....Gurprasad.' are same.
If it is so then 'Wahegur' is also guru mantar.
Ekong kar ...Satinam.......Gurparsad.......is Mool mantar.
The next question that I may ask if 'wahegur' is same as 'ek-ongkar.......Gurprasad.....'
then
'Gurmantar' and 'Mool mantar' should be same.
But it is not.
Hence there may be problem in saying as to which Mantar is Better.I hope I am clear in putting across my point of view. If it is not clear ,kindly tell me I shall attend to it.
Standardisation is always better. It is a point of view and we allnot not agree. | still lost in STANDARDISATIONS  still lost in others presence!!!!!!!! still lost in the queston of agree/not agree?????? still lost in naming the ALLMIGHTY still not sure about GURMANTRA...................................  humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness Got anything to share on This Topic? Why not share your immediate thoughts/reaction with us! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views... Gurfateh!
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01-Jun-2007, 19:59 PM
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Quote from Vinod ji's Post No.54 Do tell me if your ‘Wahe-guru’ and ‘My God’ are different. They can never be and were never so as He is Saibhang. God is always one and was like this only. Whether He understands ‘Om’ or ‘Ong’ it matters a little, all that matter is that we did our duty. Sikhs are the most beautiful human beings but have closed themselves into a shell.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-talk/15321-sikhism-an-old-wine-new-bottle.html Awal Alla Noor Upaya Kudrat de Sab bande,Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321 Ek noor tey sab jag upajaiya Kaun bhale kaun mande. Awal Alla………………………….."
The following is also applicable to Sikhs as well. My blood is as red as yours. I have all tools and attachments as are provided in the workshop of God. 'My God' cannot be a better mechanic than 'wahegur.' Let them enjoy their creation and let us enjoy His creation. Unquote
One Of the most beautiful post That I have ever seen Venod ji.  |
01-Jun-2007, 20:17 PM
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ssa vinod ji
before proceeding i want to clarify: Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321
(1) How many Gods/Goddesses hinduism have? plz provide names
(2) How many sacred books hinduism have? plz provide names
After that I will show ya how sikhism is different from hinduism coz only after that you can know the greatness of sikhi
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01-Jun-2007, 20:57 PM
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Quote:
Do tell me if your ‘Wahe-guru’ and ‘My God’ are different. They can never be and were never so as He is Saibhang. God is always one and was like this only. Whether He understands ‘Om’ or ‘Ong’ it matters a little, all that matter is that we did our duty. Sikhs are the most beautiful human beings but have closed themselves into a shell.
Awal Alla Noor Upaya Kudrat de Sab bande,
Ek noor tey sab jag upajaiya Kaun bhale kaun mande.
Awal Alla………………………….."
The following is also applicable to Sikhs as well. My blood is as red as yours. I have all tools and attachments as are provided in the workshop of God. 'My God' cannot be a better mechanic than 'wahegur.' Let them enjoy their creation and let us enjoy His creation.
| these quotes look's really good on forums,books,newspaper etc.but the main test is real life.in 1984 when indira gandhi was shot dead by a sikh,5000 innocent sikhs were mercilessly killed
all over india and after these killings rajiv gandhi won 400 seats in elections
in 1991 rajiv gandhi was killed by a tamilian hindu.did any innocent tamilian was killed
after his death.
i know you will say that congress is not a pro hindutva party to which i agree with but the main question is why they killed 5000innocent sikhs after the death of indira gandhi and why not even a single tamilian hindu was killed after the killing of rajiv gandhi ?
if majority of hindu's really beleive that there is no difference between a sikh's blood and a
hindu's blood then why they voted for congress in power after the 1984 killings? |
01-Jun-2007, 21:20 PM
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Majority  feel JEALOUS with Sikhs CHARDHI KALA coz Sikhs are Genious Quote:
Originally Posted by kds1980  .
i know you will say that congress is not a pro hindutva party to which i agree with but the main question is why they killed 5000innocent sikhs after the death of indira gandhi and why not even a single tamilian hindu was killed after the killing of rajiv gandhi ?
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02-Jun-2007, 09:37 AM
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There is nothing to feel so great ,all that we have done is to make a serious person run away. Would you all please tell me as to why when Khushwant singh tells that sikhs are only 'keshdhari hindus' ,that we choose to be silient. And mind it his viewrship is in millions much more than some active members here. We are all quiet when he says that bani is taken from Upnishidas. We have nothiong to state anything ion that case as we shall all have to rise and fight it out. But here we are fighting with a person who may be interested in our religion. It is better for us if some of you fight it out with Khushwant singh. But then he knows a lot as it is his business to know and scandalize, and we cannot save ourself. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321
we shouild remember any person whom sikhi is told is likely to get the message of Guru sahib.
But some feel different though.
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02-Jun-2007, 12:01 PM
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I am giving below the link that discusses the sikhi as per Khushwant singh. I shall like to know if anyone of us has done something about it. Anyone mean any one out of us. The Voice of Sikh Youth > Important : Khushwant Singh Is Being Honored
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"Vaheguroo Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguroo Ji Ki Fateh!!!
I recently found out from a Singh that Khushwant Singh is being honored by Centennial Foundation. As many of us know Khushwant Singh doesn't even consider sikhism as a distinct religion. He claims that sikhs are keshdhari hindus and in many of his articles, he has insulted mahaan shaheeds of the panth . He also blatantly states that he's a wine lover. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321
Please Khalsa ji, take some time to contact the Centennial Foundation and let them know that such a person shouldn't be honored as a Sikh. Clearly its a failure to honor someone such as him and give him the status of a role model for our young Sikh brothers and sisters."
unquote.
I can provide tens of link like this.
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03-Jun-2007, 00:21 AM
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| | | | | | | Khushwant Singh On Guru Granth Sahib and Japu Ji sahib, Guru Granth Sahib is From Hindu Philosphy. Japu Ji sahib From Upnishda. I am giving below the extracts of interview that appears on the following pages:
Quote J.S.T.: What about the statements that suggest that Sikhs are kes-dhari [sporting unshorn hair] Hindus? You yourself wrote in The Wall Street Journal (Oct. 12, 2001) that Sikhism is a branch of Hinduism. K.S.: That is correct. Sikhs are kes-dhari Hindus. Their religious source is Hinduism. Sikhism is a tradition developed within Hinduism. Guru Granth Sahib reflects Vedantic philosophy and Japji Sahib is based on the Upanishads. " Unquote I am pain as much as you will be. Please visit this page. The Sikh Times - Biographies - Khushwant Singh: "Japji Sahib is Based on the Upanishads" Also see the extracts as posted in Wikipedia. User talk:Sukh/Archive 4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia User talk:Sukh/Archive 4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Khushwant Singh considers himself an agnostic from a Sikh background. He keeps his Sikh atire as part of his identity: [1] "Khushwant Singh: When I was in England as a student, socialism was much talked about among us. We read and discussed Bertrand Russell and attended lectures by Harold J. Laski. I have not retained many socialistic ideas, but I am still an agnostic. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321 "J.S.T.: You are a non-believer, yet you spent a night at Bangla Sahib gurdwara to seek the Guru's support during a difficult time in your personal life when your wife had threatened to leave you. "K.S.: This is one of those things - a contradiction. It was an emotional issue for me. I was born and raised in a Sikh family. I still keep my beard and turban and identify myself with the Sikh community. " Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321 That being said, Khushwant Singh believes that Sikhs are merely kesh-dari Hindus: "Sikhs are kes-dhari Hindus. Their religious source is Hinduism. Sikhism is a tradition developed within Hinduism. Guru Granth Sahib reflects Vedantic philosophy and Japji Sahib is based on the Upanishads. " He is the one whom world knows as a sikh. We have no say. Our say is only in in-hoiuse fighting. Why don't you keep yourself armed with the basic knowledge of Sikhi. Keep On Watching these things as eye soothener. |
03-Jun-2007, 22:29 PM
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roopk ji do you realy think that khushwant singh is a role model for the young? great writer nothing else, if you are so mad at k.singh, what about jathedar of akal thakt,vedanti who has said thet we are all offsprings off luv, khus, sons of ram&sita.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15321 what should you suggest we do with him. | 
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