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While reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, I have come across similarities in meaning while refering to the three words - Naam, Shabad and Bani. If they are not the same then what's the difference ?
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For example, the following three shabads :-

Page 152, Line 13
Attuned to the Word of the Shabad, one becomes sweet, like the juice of the sugar cane. ||3||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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Page 113, Line 13
The Nectar of the Guru's Bani is very sweet.
Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 170, Line 1
I have tasted the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, by meeting the True Guru. It is sweet, like the juice of the sugarcane. ||2||




 
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re: Naam, Shabad and Bani: What is the Difference?

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While reading Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, I have come across similarities in meaning while refering to the three words - Naam, Shabad and Bani. If they are not the same then what's the difference ?
For example, the following three shabads :-

Page 152, Line 13
Attuned to the Word of the Shabad, one becomes sweet, like the juice of the sugar cane. ||3||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 113, Line 13
The Nectar of the Guru's Bani is very sweet.
Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 170, Line 1
I have tasted the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, by meeting the True Guru. It is sweet, like the juice of the sugarcane. ||2||

Piary Nam Jap Ji,
Many thanks for choosing 3 shabads which convey that bani, nam & shabad are same thing.
It is true. I think bani or shabad of bani mean the same thing.However Naam is our ultimate goal. It is Love of God.Bani & shabad lead you to this love.when you are in love you sing the praises of Lord.The joy & the ecastsy of this stage cannot be described in words. words cannot describe the feelings. we are awfully limited by the words.words are not the real thig. they are only symbols or insignias.That is why when we cannot describe our feelings of joy or sorrow we cry.we can not speak the words.
A devotee of God when immersed in Naam then his stage is something like this:rMg hsY rMg rovy cup BI kr jwey, prvwh nwhI iksy kyrI bwJ scy nwieN]
I sincerely appricate your efforts to give us excellent material from gurbani.
your giving the link & reference in your post was extremely helpful.How do you do that?
I could not find the shabad on page 170 in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.Pleased see if the page no is different.

With warmest regards & prayers that you enlighten us more.Thanks.
Mahanbir Singh.
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Dear Mahanbir Singh Ji,

Thank you for your involvement in this cyber satsang. As you've pointed out the utmost importance of Naam.

Vichaar of naam is not theory but practical experience I believe. What is your take on this ?
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Here's your requested page:-

Page 170, Line 1
ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਰਸੁ ਚਾਖਿਆ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੀਠ ਰਸ ਗਾਨੇ ॥੨॥
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Har kā nām amriṯ ras cẖākẖi▫ā mil saṯgur mīṯẖ ras gāne. ||2||
I have tasted the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, by meeting the True Guru. It is sweet, like the juice of the sugarcane. ||2||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
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Kiram Ji,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23733

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Namjap ji,

Thank you for sharing above the beautiful baanis.. am here to learn and really do not know much ji.. too small and like Guru Sahib Himself says "Hum Keeray Kiram Satgur Sarnaayee..............."
Please continue to share Shabads ji...

Thank you!

Bhul chuk mauf karna ji..

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....Kar daya Naam pargaas. Mere meet gurdev, moko raam Naam pargaas.

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ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ
सूही महला ५ ॥
Sūhī mėhlā 5.
Soohee, Fifth Mehl:
ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਣ ਪੁਕਾਰਨਿ ਪੋਥੀਆ
सिम्रिति बेद पुराण पुकारनि पोथीआ ॥
Simriṯ beḏ purāṇ pukāran pothī▫ā.
The Simritees, the Vedas, the Puraanas and the other holy scriptures proclaim
ਨਾਮ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਭਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਗਾਲ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਹੋਛੀਆ ॥੧॥
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नाम बिना सभि कूड़ु गाल्ही होछीआ ॥१॥
Nām binā sabẖ kūṛ gālĥī hocẖẖī▫ā. ||1||
that without the Naam, everything is false and worthless. ||1||


Guru Granth Sahib Page 761
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ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਸਗਲੇ ਜੰਤ
नाम के धारे सगले जंत ॥
Nām ke ḏẖāre sagle janṯ.
The Naam is the Support of all creatures.

ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਖੰਡ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ
नाम के धारे खंड ब्रहमंड ॥
Nām ke ḏẖāre kẖand barahmand.
The Naam is the Support of the earth and solar systems.

ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ
नाम के धारे सिम्रिति बेद पुरान ॥
Nām ke ḏẖāre simriṯ beḏ purān.
The Naam is the Support of the Simritees, the Vedas and the Puraanas.

ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਸੁਨਨ ਗਿਆਨ ਧਿਆਨ
नाम के धारे सुनन गिआन धिआन ॥
Nām ke ḏẖāre sunan gi▫ān ḏẖi▫ān.
The Naam is the Support by which we hear of spiritual wisdom and meditation.
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ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਆਗਾਸ ਪਾਤਾਲ
नाम के धारे आगास पाताल ॥
Nām ke ḏẖāre āgās pāṯāl.
The Naam is the Support of the Akaashic ethers and the nether regions.

ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਸਗਲ ਆਕਾਰ
नाम के धारे सगल आकार ॥
Nām ke ḏẖāre sagal ākār.
The Naam is the Support of all bodies.

ਨਾਮ ਕੇ ਧਾਰੇ ਪੁਰੀਆ ਸਭ ਭਵਨ
नाम के धारे पुरीआ सभ भवन ॥
Nām ke ḏẖāre purī▫ā sabẖ bẖavan.
The Naam is the Support of all worlds and realms.

ਨਾਮ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਉਧਰੇ ਸੁਨਿ ਸ੍ਰਵਨ
नाम कै संगि उधरे सुनि स्रवन ॥
Nām kai sang uḏẖre sun sarvan.
Associating with the Naam, listening to it with the ears, one is saved.

ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਜਿਸੁ ਆਪਨੈ ਨਾਮਿ ਲਾਏ
करि किरपा जिसु आपनै नामि लाए ॥
Kar kirpā jis āpnai nām lā▫e.
Those whom the Lord mercifully attaches to His Naam -

ਨਾਨਕ ਚਉਥੇ ਪਦ ਮਹਿ ਸੋ ਜਨੁ ਗਤਿ ਪਾਏ ॥੫॥
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नानक चउथे पद महि सो जनु गति पाए ॥५॥
Nānak cẖa▫uthe paḏ mėh so jan gaṯ pā▫e. ||5||
O Nanak, in the fourth state, those humble servants attain salvation. ||5||

Guru Granth Sahib Page 284
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