A Question to naam abhiyassis

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

A quick question

According to gurbani
1. In the stomach of Women , a child is performing Naam simran, and hence he is already connected to God.
3. Mind become dead after our death, coz our brain become dead.
4. we do naam simran in this life to emerge with God and to Kill our Mind (Leave Man Mat ) / clean our mind

Now if Mind will dies when we gonna die, so why we Perform Naam simran in before death???

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stupidjassi

stupidjassi ji

Fair question. You keep me on my toes at all times. A quick reply -- your question goes to the heart of the "mind-body problem" in philosophy.

This is my untutored understanding..

The mun that dies at the time of physical death is not the sense of mun that dies in nam simran. when we are still alive The mun that dies "while we are still alive" is the consciousness we have of our own "mun". We are conscious of this mun as our personal "mun" and in thinking this way we separate our consciousness from a greater consciousness which is not ours alone. This separation is the source of inner torture and suffering, but also the cause of inflicting pain on others.

Buddhists explain it this way -- there are many individual minds. There is one universal mind or consciousness. When we see the One in the Many and the Many in the One, then we have overcome separation. This is when suffering ends because we at this point gain wisdom and compassion.

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

Thanks for kool comment

Yeah you are right, Physical Death is not same as Death while Naam simran. But then another question is
-> How mind survive Physical Death of brain ?? ( When there is no brain)

I know my question may be too stupid, but i`m just wondering coz i never got the answer. Gaini sant singh maskeen use to say, " If mind dies when body dies then there is no use of simran coz, you get in reiencration because of MIND. Now when mind dies (Though naam simran or anything) You`ll never get reincreated again coz you have no mind now"

Please enlight me

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stupidjasssi.com

Stupidjassi ji

No question so far from you has been stupid as far as I am concerned.

The mun that leaves with the physical body is the intellect that is governed in the cortex and the emotions that are governed in the mid and lower brain. The consciousness of OUR PERSONAL mun that we have -- does not die.

When we leave our physical body and our consciousness of mun is trapped in duality, then our death is spiritually painful and we reincarnate to go back over old lessons.

When we leave our physical body and our consciousness has been liberated, then our death is not important to us. And neither is OUR mun important to us because it is the cause of suffering. When mun has died unto itself already, then we already understand that Consciousness does not die.

Apologies. I cannot take it further than this as per my spiritual limitations.

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

Thanks for your post.your explaination is amazing. Yeah that`s wht i hear that death of mind means death of reiencrenation , that`s true .i can`t wait to wake up tommorow at amrit vale for Simran. its also getting better.
I have many other question but i guess i should stop asking question and start getting the answers from my own naam simran experiences.

Thanks much
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जनम मरण का भउ गइआ भाउ भगति गोपाल ॥
Janam maraṇ kā bẖa­o ga­i­ā bẖā­o bẖagaṯ gopāl.
The fear of death and rebirth is removed by performing loving devotional service to the Lord of the World.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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Dera namjap ji,
It has been stated that mind is made up of five basic elements. Where exactly is the seat of mind?

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

In absence of any reply it is fair to presume that the mind also rests in the vicinity of the Lord or in the lord. Mind is all but a sphere of ideas and thoughts and these cannot vanish.What may happen to the mind after death is that some seniors may like to advise with bani's support.

I feel inclined to believe that mind must have something to do with divinity as the brain is a part of body only and has nothing common with the soul. I cannot say much about the mind though it is made up of the five elements and may lead to conclusion that it is a part of the human body. it should not be as a first surmise.
Jassi's question is worth load of thoughts that I am not capable of.
There are many allusions and references to the mind in the Bani and there has to be some answer to this question as well else we are all groping in the dark. We here is suggestive of all who are novice like me and do not understand much about the relationship of mind,intellect and the consciousness.

Reply if you wish.
Regards.

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

In absence of any reply it is fair to presume that the mind also rests in the vicinity of the Lord or in the lord. Mind is all but a sphere of ideas and thoughts and these cannot vanish.What may happen to the mind after death is that some seniors may like to advise with bani's support.

I feel inclined to believe that mind must have something to do with divinity as the brain is a part of body only and has nothing common with the soul. I cannot say much about the mind though it is made up of the five elements and may lead to conclusion that it is a part of the human body. it should not be as a first surmise.
Jassi's question is worth load of thoughts that I am not capable of any answer as yet.

There are many allusions and references to the mind in the Bani and there has to be some answer to this question as well else we are all groping in the dark. 'We' here is suggestive of all who are novice like me and do not understand much about the relationship of mind,intellect and the consciousness.

Reply if you wish.
Regards.

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

stupidjassi Quote

Well you may be right in your sense ,that we need prayers for encouragement , but again If you pray for ANYTHING , it doesn`t make any sense ,coz its like you are asking God ' Hey God please do this coz i think you should do this'
Nothing is outside hukum.
Stupidjassi ji

You have written a very good point to practice in relation to HIM and prayer. Only one thing must be requested for from HIM, that is to have ,in reality ,love for HIM blossomed within us, it can prove then all other “asked things” are immaterial.

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