Need of True Guru

Sardara123 · #1 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 07:57 AM

We need True Guru. Without SatGuru we cant achieve the liberation from the cycle of birth and death. Guru Ji tells us that without the Guru our true Self cant be known. Guru's Word has tremendous powers, undescribable powers. It sooths us and saves us from the terrible pains.

In the Following Shabad Guru Ji tells us the importance of a True Guru. He also makes us aware of the fact that a blind/false Guru misleads his or her followers, those people who follow a blind Guru stay in the cycle of birth and death, they cant achieve liberation.

isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ]
suix mn BUly bwvry gur kI crxI lwgu ]
hir jip nwmu iDAwie qU jmu frpY duK Bwgu ]
dUKu Gxo dohwgxI ikau iQru rhY suhwgu ]1]
BweI ry Avru nwhI mY Qwau ]
mY Dnu nwmu inDwnu hY guir dIAw bil jwau ]1] rhwau ]
gurmiq piq swbwis iqsu iqs kY sMig imlwau ]
iqsu ibnu GVI n jIvaU ibnu nwvY mir jwau ]
mY AMDuly nwmu n vIsrY tyk itkI Gir jwau ]2]
gurU ijnw kw AMDulw cyly nwhI Twau ]
ibnu siqgur nwau n pweIAY ibnu nwvY ikAw suAwau ]
Awie gieAw pCuqwvxw ijau suM\Y Gir kwau ]3]
ibnu nwvY duKu dyhurI ijau klr kI BIiq ]
qb lgu mhlu n pweIAY jb lgu swcu n cIiq ]
sbid rpY Gru pweIAY inrbwxI pdu nIiq ]4]
hau gur pUCau Awpxy gur puiC kwr kmwau ]
sbid slwhI min vsY haumY duKu jil jwau ]
shjy hoie imlwvVw swcy swic imlwau ]5]
sbid rqy sy inrmly qij kwm k®oDu AhMkwru ]
nwmu slwhin sd sdw hir rwKih aur Dwir ]
so ikau mnhu ivswrIAY sB jIAw kw AwDwru ]6]
sbid mrY so mir rhY iPir mrY n dUjI vwr ]
sbdY hI qy pweIAY hir nwmy lgY ipAwru ]
ibnu sbdY jgu BUlw iPrY mir jnmY vwro vwr ]7]
sB swlwhY Awp kau vfhu vfyrI hoie ]
gur ibnu Awpu n cInIAY khy suxy ikAw hoie ]
nwnk sbid pCwxIAY haumY krY n koie ]8]8]

Siree Raag, First Mehl:
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Listen, O deluded and demented mind: hold tight to the Guru's Feet.
Chant and meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord; death will be afraid of you, and suffering shall depart.
The deserted wife suffers terrible pain. How can her Husband Lord remain with her forever? ||1||
O Siblings of Destiny, I have no other place to go.
The Guru has given me the Treasure of the Wealth of the Naam; I am a sacrifice to Him. ||1||Pause||
The Guru's Teachings bring honor. Blessed is He-may I meet and be with Him!
Without Him, I cannot live, even for a moment. Without His Name, I die.
I am blind-may I never forget the Naam! Under His Protection, I shall reach my true home. ||2||
Those chaylaas, those devotees, whose spiritual teacher is blind, shall not find their place of rest.
Without the True Guru, the Name is not obtained. Without the Name, what is the use of it all?
People come and go, regretting and repenting, like crows in a deserted house. ||3||
Without the Name, the body suffers in pain; it crumbles like a wall of sand.
As long as Truth does not enter into the consciousness, the Mansion of the Lord's Presence is not found.
Attuned to the Shabad, we enter our home, and obtain the Eternal State of Nirvaanaa. ||4||
I ask my Guru for His Advice, and I follow the Guru's Advice.
With the Shabads of Praise abiding in the mind, the pain of egotism is burnt away.
We are intuitively united with Him, and we meet the Truest of the True. ||5||
Those who are attuned to the Shabad are spotless and pure; they renounce sexual desire, anger, selfishness and conceit.
They sing the Praises of the Naam, forever and ever; they keep the Lord enshrined within their hearts.
How could we ever forget Him from our minds? He is the Support of all beings. ||6||
One who dies in the Shabad is beyond death, and shall never die again.
Through the Shabad, we find Him, and embrace love for the Name of the Lord.
Without the Shabad, the world is deceived; it dies and is reborn, over and over again. ||7||
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All praise themselves, and call themselves the greatest of the great.
Without the Guru, one's self cannot be known. By merely speaking and listening, what is accomplished?
O Nanak, one who realizes the Shabad does not act in egotism. ||8||8||

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Sardara123 · #2 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 07:59 AM

In the following Shabad Guru Ji tells us about the nature of the followers of a Blind(false) Guru.
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Shabad Gurbani:

mÚ 3 ]
gurU ijnw kw AMDulw isK BI AMDy krm kryin ]
Eie BwxY clin AwpxY inq JUTo JUTu bolyin ]
kUVu kusqu kmwvdy pr inMdw sdw kryin ]
Eie Awip fuby pr inMdkw sgly kul fobyin ]
nwnk ijqu Eie lwey iqqu lgy auie bpuVy ikAw kryin ]2]

English Translation:

Third Mehl:
The disciples whose teacher is blind, act blindly as well.
They walk according to their own wills, and continually speak falsehood and lies.
They practice falsehood and deception, and endlessly slander others.
Slandering others, they drown themselves, and drown all their generations as well.
O Nanak, whatever the Lord links them to, to that they are linked; what can the poor creatures do? ||2||

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Narayanjot Kaur · #3 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 12:51 PM

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
sireeraag mehalaa 1 ||
Siree Raag, First Mehl:

ਕੁੰਗੂ ਕੀ ਕਾਂਇਆ ਰਤਨਾ ਕੀ ਲਲਿਤਾ ਅਗਰਿ ਵਾਸੁ ਤਨਿ ਸਾਸੁ ॥
kungoo kee kaaneiaa rathanaa kee lalithaa agar vaas than saas ||
With the body of saffron, and the tongue a jewel, and the breath of the body pure fragrant incense;

ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਕਾ ਮੁਖਿ ਟਿਕਾ ਤਿਤੁ ਘਟਿ ਮਤਿ ਵਿਗਾਸੁ ॥
athasath theerathh kaa mukh ttikaa thith ghatt math vigaas ||
with the face anointed at the sixty-eight holy places of pilgrimage, and the heart illuminated with wisdom

ਓਤੁ ਮਤੀ ਸਾਲਾਹਣਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਮੁ ਗੁਣਤਾਸੁ ॥੧॥
outh mathee saalaahanaa sach naam gunathaas ||1||
-with that wisdom, chant the Praises of the True Name, the Treasure of Excellence. ||1||

ਬਾਬਾ ਹੋਰ ਮਤਿ ਹੋਰ ਹੋਰ ॥
baabaa hor math hor hor ||
O Baba, other wisdom is useless and irrelevant.

ਜੇ ਸਉ ਵੇਰ ਕਮਾਈਐ ਕੂੜੈ ਕੂੜਾ ਜੋਰੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
jae so vaer kamaaeeai koorrai koorraa jor ||1|| rehaao ||
If falsehood is practiced a hundred times, it is still false in its effects. ||1||Pause||

ਪੂਜ ਲਗੈ ਪੀਰੁ ਆਖੀਐ ਸਭੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥
pooj lagai peer aakheeai sabh milai sansaar ||
You may be worshipped and adored as a Pir (a spiritual teacher); you may be welcomed by all the world;

ਨਾਉ ਸਦਾਏ ਆਪਣਾ ਹੋਵੈ ਸਿਧੁ ਸੁਮਾਰੁ ॥
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naao sadhaaeae aapanaa hovai sidhh sumaar ||
you may adopt a lofty name, and be known to have supernatural spiritual powers

ਜਾ ਪਤਿ ਲੇਖੈ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਸਭਾ ਪੂਜ ਖੁਆਰੁ ॥੨॥
jaa path laekhai naa pavai sabhaa pooj khuaar ||2||
-even so, if you are not accepted in the Court of the Lord, then all this adoration is false. ||2||

ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਥਾਪਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਮੇਟਿ ਨ ਸਕੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
jin ko sathigur thhaapiaa thin maett n sakai koe ||
No one can overthrow those who have been established by the True Guru.

ਓਨਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੋ ਪਰਗਟੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
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ounaa andhar naam nidhhaan hai naamo paragatt hoe ||
The Treasure of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, is within them, and through the Naam, they are radiant and famous.
ਨਾਉ ਪੂਜੀਐ ਨਾਉ ਮੰਨੀਐ ਅਖੰਡੁ ਸਦਾ ਸਚੁ ਸੋਇ ॥੩॥
naao poojeeai naao manneeai akhandd sadhaa sach soe ||3||
They worship the Naam, and they believe in the Naam. The True One is forever Intact and Unbroken. ||3||

ਖੇਹੂ ਖੇਹ ਰਲਾਈਐ ਤਾ ਜੀਉ ਕੇਹਾ ਹੋਇ ॥
khaehoo khaeh ralaaeeai thaa jeeo kaehaa hoe ||
When the body mingles with dust, what happens to the soul?

ਜਲੀਆ ਸਭਿ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਉਠੀ ਚਲਿਆ ਰੋਇ ॥
jaleeaa sabh siaanapaa outhee chaliaa roe ||
All clever tricks are burnt away, and you shall depart crying.

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮਿ ਵਿਸਾਰਿਐ ਦਰਿ ਗਇਆ ਕਿਆ ਹੋਇ ॥੪॥੮॥
naanak naam visaariai dhar gaeiaa kiaa hoe ||4||8||
O Nanak, those who forget the Naam-what will happen when they go to the Court of the Lord? ||4||8||

Sri Raag
Guru Naanak Dev ji
Ang 17

Archived_Member1 · #4 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 13:01 PM

Quote:

Those chaylaas, those devotees, whose spiritual teacher is blind, shall not find their place of rest.
Without the True Guru, the Name is not obtained. Without the Name, what is the use of it all?
People come and go, regretting and repenting, like crows in a deserted house. ||3||

true, but how do we find the name? i see a lot of shabads telling us not to forget the name, please post how we find it in the first place.

Narayanjot Kaur · #5 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 13:06 PM

Are you asking me or Sardara123? Whoops!!! You already have the Naam. Remember that you have it, and you will know where to find it.

Sardara123 · #6 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 16:21 PM

Jasleen Ji:
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please read all gurbani posts posted under:
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/19770-guruduarai-hoi-sojhi-paaisee.html

may help you find the answer a bit.

Astroboy · #7 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 16:45 PM

Why don't we try to help someone when he/she is asking help. Instead what we tell them is similar to keep reading from here and there.

Let's face the facts. Either you can lead someone in the right direction or you can't. Either you know or you don't.
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So, Sardara Ji and all - isn't it better to start a satsang here ? I mean a real satsang. Talking about Naam Prapti. Talking about simran, sadhana, discipline. Jinn Prem Kiyo tin hi prabh payo.
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Sorry if you are offended. Jasleen Ji is a real seeker.

Sardara123 · #8 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 17:25 PM

Naam Jap Ji,
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I told Jasleen Ji to read Gurbani.

What is wrong in that?

What kind of person you are, always against reading Gurbani?

I dont think 'your wisdom' can be even a bit comparable to Gurbani, FYI.

By the way what tells you I am offended, why I should be?

You are the one offended ONE and wants to take us to other routs but Gurbani.

Satsang is done with Sat.

Gurbani is Sat.

Astroboy · #9 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2008, 17:42 PM

Sardara Ji,

Did Guru Nanak do Akhand Paaths ?

Ekmusafir rightly commented in one of his posts and I will say it in a similar fashion - we could download the whole of Guru Granth Sahib here - but what purpose will it serve ?

Thaal Vich Tin Vastu Paiyo
Sat Santokh Vichaaro
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Amrit Naam Thakur Ka Bhaiyo
Jiska Sabhs Adhaaro

All you are doing is posting translated verses and no vichaar.