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Old 06-02-2008, 04:44 PM
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Soohee, First Mehl:
That vessel alone is pure, which is pleasing to Him.
The filthiest vessel does not become pure, simply by being washed.
Through the Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate, one obtains understanding.
By being washed through this Gate, it becomes pure.
The Lord Himself sets the standards to differentiate between the dirty and the pure.
Do not think that you will automatically find a place of rest hereafter.
According to the actions one has committed, so does the mortal become.
He Himself bestows the Ambrosial Name of the Lord.
Such a mortal departs with honor and renown; his life is embellished and redeemed, and the trumpets resound with his glory.
Why speak of poor mortals? His glory shall echo throughout the three worlds.
O Nanak, he himself shall be enraptured, and he shall save his entire ancestry. ||1||4||6||




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Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate

Is this the gurdwara we go to to listen to kirtan and have langgar ?




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Guru da dar is where Guru is.

What about those eyes which see Guru everywhere within and without?




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So It's a subjective reality, not an objective reality.

Here are some definitions :-

Subjective reality is an integrated belief system where consciousness and awareness are primary. They are the container in which everything else exists. And I do mean EVERYTHING.
In a truly subjective universe, there is nothing outside your own consciousness — no world, no bodies, no brain. Suppose I ask you the question, “If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?” With an objective belief structure, you might say yes, but you might also say no, depending on your views on quantum physics. However, if you believed in subjective reality, you have to reject the question entirely. You’d say that there’s no such thing as a tree outside your awareness. That tree doesn’t even exist. Nor does the forest for that matter. If you are not there to observe it, it doesn’t exist at all. Without consciousness there is no existence.




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Guru da dar is where Guru is.

What about those eyes which see Guru everywhere within and without?
Can I also say that this is Gurbani (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) ?




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The Dear Lord is True, and True is the Word of His Bani. Through the Shabad, we merge with Him. ||1||
ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥
There is One Bani there is One Guru there is one Shabad to contemplate (ang 646)

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Further reading on Objective and Subjective.

Objective & Subjective - by Harry Palmer




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Can I also say that this is Gurbani (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) ?


Believing is seeing.




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In relation to the first shabad posted my reasoning: - Guru ji' Gate is Guru's Bachan (Gurbani - Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji). Our "mind" needs to be washed to realise God in us and around us.


ਭਨਤਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਰੇ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
bhanath naanak karae veechaar ||
Prays Nanak, practice contemplation,

ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਉ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
saachee baanee sio dhharae piaar ||
and enshrine love for the True Word of His Bani.

ਤਾ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਮੋਖ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥
thaa ko paavai mokh dhuaar ||
Then, you shall find the Gate of Salvation.
( Ang 661)



ਬਾਣੀ ਰੋਕਿਆ ਰਹੈ ਦੁਆਰ ॥
baanee rokiaa rehai dhuaar ||
Restrained by Gurbani, the mind remains indoors;
ਤਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਤਵਾਰੋ ਪੀਵਨਹਾਰ ॥੨॥
tho man mathavaaro peevanehaar ||2||
drinking in this Nectar, it is intoxicated. ||2||
(Ang 344)



ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਹਨ ਮਲਨ ਦਹਨ ਲਹਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ਆਨ ਨਹੀ ਉਪਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
prabh kehan malan dhehan lehan gur milae aan nehee oupaao ||1|| rehaao ||
Speaking of God, filth and pollution are burnt away; This comes by meeting with the Guru, and not by any other efforts. ||1||Pause||
(ang 1305)




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The Dear Lord is True, and True is the Word of His Bani. Through the Shabad, we merge with Him. ||1||
ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ ॥
There is One Bani there is One Guru there is one Shabad to contemplate (ang 646)

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and enshrine love for the True Word of His Bani.
Then, you shall find the Gate of Salvation.

Kaur 1 Ji,



What is the True Word of His Bani ?




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In relation to the first shabad posted my reasoning: - Guru ji' Gate is Guru's Bachan (Gurbani - Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji). Our "mind" needs to be washed to realise God in us and around us.


ਭਨਤਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਰੇ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
bhanath naanak karae veechaar ||
Prays Nanak, practice contemplation,

ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਉ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
saachee baanee sio dhharae piaar ||
and enshrine love for the True Word of His Bani.

ਤਾ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਮੋਖ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥
thaa ko paavai mokh dhuaar ||
Then, you shall find the Gate of Salvation.
( Ang 661)



ਬਾਣੀ ਰੋਕਿਆ ਰਹੈ ਦੁਆਰ ॥
baanee rokiaa rehai dhuaar ||
Restrained by Gurbani, the mind remains indoors;
ਤਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਤਵਾਰੋ ਪੀਵਨਹਾਰ ॥੨॥
tho man mathavaaro peevanehaar ||2||
drinking in this Nectar, it is intoxicated. ||2||
(Ang 344)



ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਹਨ ਮਲਨ ਦਹਨ ਲਹਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ਆਨ ਨਹੀ ਉਪਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
prabh kehan malan dhehan lehan gur milae aan nehee oupaao ||1|| rehaao ||
Speaking of God, filth and pollution are burnt away; This comes by meeting with the Guru, and not by any other efforts. ||1||Pause||
(ang 1305)
It is obvious that you believe Guru Granth Ji 'Guru ji'.
So Gurbani being The Guru, we need to believe every word of Gurbani to be the ultimate truth. As a Gursikh we need to believe it and live it practically.

Gurbani tells us:
Guru and God- no difference.
Bani Nirankaar.
Bani - the Truth(Sat).
Bani-Akath Ki katha.
and much more.

If we start believing the teachings of Guru Ji/God/Nirankaar/Bani and make them our way of life! ( my Guru says so: it got to be true)

Untill we believe it without any reasoning, we can't live it, so can't see it.

Please consider I am not arguing, I only said what I understand and believe.




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