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Discussion in 'Gurmat Vichaar' started by Sardara123, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. Sardara123

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    Soohee, First Mehl:
    That vessel alone is pure, which is pleasing to Him.
    The filthiest vessel does not become pure, simply by being washed.
    Through the Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate, one obtains understanding.
    By being washed through this Gate, it becomes pure.
    The Lord Himself sets the standards to differentiate between the dirty and the pure.
    Do not think that you will automatically find a place of rest hereafter.
    According to the actions one has committed, so does the mortal become.
    He Himself bestows the Ambrosial Name of the Lord.
    Such a mortal departs with honor and renown; his life is embellished and redeemed, and the trumpets resound with his glory.
    Why speak of poor mortals? His glory shall echo throughout the three worlds.
    O Nanak, he himself shall be enraptured, and he shall save his entire ancestry. ||1||4||6||
     
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    Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate

    Is this the gurdwara we go to to listen to kirtan and have langgar ?
     
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    Guru da dar is where Guru is.

    What about those eyes which see Guru everywhere within and without?
     
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    So It's a subjective reality, not an objective reality.

    Here are some definitions :-

    Subjective reality is an integrated belief system where consciousness and awareness are primary. They are the container in which everything else exists. And I do mean EVERYTHING.
    In a truly subjective universe, there is nothing outside your own consciousness — no world, no bodies, no brain. Suppose I ask you the question, “If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?” With an objective belief structure, you might say yes, but you might also say no, depending on your views on quantum physics. However, if you believed in subjective reality, you have to reject the question entirely. You’d say that there’s no such thing as a tree outside your awareness. That tree doesn’t even exist. Nor does the forest for that matter. If you are not there to observe it, it doesn’t exist at all. Without consciousness there is no existence.
     
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    Can I also say that this is Gurbani (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) ?
     
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    Believing is seeing.
     
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    In relation to the first shabad posted my reasoning: - Guru ji' Gate is Guru's Bachan (Gurbani - Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji). Our "mind" needs to be washed to realise God in us and around us.


    ਭਨਤਿ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਰੇ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
    bhanath naanak karae veechaar ||
    Prays Nanak, practice contemplation,

    ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਉ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
    saachee baanee sio dhharae piaar ||
    and enshrine love for the True Word of His Bani.

    ਤਾ ਕੋ ਪਾਵੈ ਮੋਖ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥
    thaa ko paavai mokh dhuaar ||
    Then, you shall find the Gate of Salvation.
    ( Ang 661)



    ਬਾਣੀ ਰੋਕਿਆ ਰਹੈ ਦੁਆਰ ॥
    baanee rokiaa rehai dhuaar ||
    Restrained by Gurbani, the mind remains indoors;
    ਤਉ ਮਨੁ ਮਤਵਾਰੋ ਪੀਵਨਹਾਰ ॥੨॥
    tho man mathavaaro peevanehaar ||2||
    drinking in this Nectar, it is intoxicated. ||2||
    (Ang 344)



    ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਹਨ ਮਲਨ ਦਹਨ ਲਹਨ ਗੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ਆਨ ਨਹੀ ਉਪਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
    prabh kehan malan dhehan lehan gur milae aan nehee oupaao ||1|| rehaao ||
    Speaking of God, filth and pollution are burnt away; This comes by meeting with the Guru, and not by any other efforts. ||1||Pause||
    (ang 1305)
     
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    and enshrine love for the True Word of His Bani.
    Then, you shall find the Gate of Salvation.

    Kaur 1 Ji,



    What is the True Word of His Bani ?
     
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    It is obvious that you believe Guru Granth Ji 'Guru ji'.
    So Gurbani being The Guru, we need to believe every word of Gurbani to be the ultimate truth. As a Gursikh we need to believe it and live it practically.

    Gurbani tells us:
    Guru and God- no difference.
    Bani Nirankaar.
    Bani - the Truth(Sat).
    Bani-Akath Ki katha.
    and much more.

    If we start believing the teachings of Guru Ji/God/Nirankaar/Bani and make them our way of life! ( my Guru says so: it got to be true)

    Untill we believe it without any reasoning, we can't live it, so can't see it.

    Please consider I am not arguing, I only said what I understand and believe.
     
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    <> siq nwmu krqw purKu inrBau inrvYru Akwl mUriq AjUnI sYBM gur pRswid ]
    rwgu iblwvlu mhlw 1 caupdy Gru 1 ]
    qU sulqwnu khw hau mIAw qyrI kvn vfweI ]
    jo qU dyih su khw suAwmI mY mUrK khxu n jweI ]1]
    qyry gux gwvw dyih buJweI ]
    jYsy sc mih rhau rjweI ]1] rhwau ]
    jo ikCu hoAw sBu ikCu quJ qy qyrI sB AsnweI ]
    qyrw AMqu n jwxw myry swihb mY AMDuly ikAw cqurweI ]2]
    ikAw hau kQI kQy kiQ dyKw mY AkQu n kQnw jweI ]
    jo quDu BwvY soeI AwKw iqlu qyrI vifAweI ]3]
    eyqy kUkr hau bygwnw Baukw iesu qn qweI ]
    Bgiq hIxu nwnku jy hoiegw qw KsmY nwau n jweI ]4]1]


    One Universal Creator God. Truth Is The Name. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying. Beyond Birth. Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace:
    Raag Bilaaval, First Mehl, Chau-Padas, First House:
    You are the Emperor, and I call You a chief - how does this add to Your greatness?
    As You permit me, I praise You, O Lord and Master; I am ignorant, and I cannot chant Your Praises. ||1||
    Please bless me with such understanding, that I may sing Your Glorious Praises.
    May I dwell in Truth, according to Your Will. ||1||Pause||
    Whatever has happened, has all come from You. You are All-knowing.
    Your limits cannot be known, O my Lord and Master; I am blind - what wisdom do I have? ||2||
    What should I say? While talking, I talk of seeing, but I cannot describe the indescribable.
    As it pleases Your Will, I speak; it is just the tiniest bit of Your greatness. ||3||
    Among so many dogs, I am an outcast; I bark for my body's belly.
    Without devotional worship, O Nanak, even so, still, my Master's Name does not leave me. ||4||1||
     
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    iblwvlu mhlw 1 ]
    mnu mMdru qnu vys klµdru Gt hI qIriQ nwvw ]
    eyku sbdu myrY pRwin bsqu hY bwhuiV jnim n Awvw ]1]
    mnu byiDAw dieAwl syqI myrI mweI ]
    kauxu jwxY pIr prweI ]
    hm nwhI icMq prweI ]1] rhwau ]
    Agm Agocr AlK Apwrw icMqw krhu hmwrI ]
    jil Qil mhIAil Birpuir lIxw Git Git joiq qum@wrI ]2]
    isK miq sB buiD qum@wrI mMidr Cwvw qyry ]
    quJ ibnu Avru n jwxw myry swihbw gux gwvw inq qyry ]3]
    jIA jMq siB srix qum@wrI srb icMq quDu pwsy ]
    jo quDu BwvY soeI cMgw iek nwnk kI Ardwsy ]4]2]


    Bilaawal, First Mehl:
    My mind is the temple, and my body is the simple cloth of the humble seeker; deep within my heart, I bathe at the sacred shrine.
    The One Word of the Shabad abides within my mind; I shall not come to be born again. ||1||
    My mind is pierced through by the Merciful Lord, O my mother!
    Who can know the pain of another?
    I think of none other than the Lord. ||1||Pause||
    O Lord, inaccessible, unfathomable, invisible and infinite: please, take care of me!
    In the water, on the land and in sky, You are totally pervading. Your Light is in each and every heart. ||2||
    All teachings, instructions and understandings are Yours; the mansions and sanctuaries are Yours as well.
    Without You, I know no other, O my Lord and Master; I continually sing Your Glorious Praises. ||3||
    All beings and creatures seek the Protection of Your Sanctuary; all thought of their care rests with You.
    That which pleases Your Will is good; this alone is Nanak's prayer. ||4||2||


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaBtoCNTxgw
     
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    But all that Kaur-1 has stated seems totally relevant. She is also in all praise of bani and the cleanliness of mind that is most essential for us to be receptive to all that is HIS gifts.
     
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    Subjective again. Palmer wrote subjective = belief > Experience

    If we only believe in the instructions of Gurbani, without further delving in experiences, how would one have real satsang then? Aren't we supposed to compare notes about subjevtivity like Word of the True Bani, Anhad Shabad, etc ?

    Does this right only belong to the cults ?
     
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    naamjap Ji,

    1. Cults these days are trying very hard to prove Gurbani wrong by comparing it with other philosophies- great work.

    2. This is Gurmat Vichaar section, hope you have checked it. It seems like you are disscussing- Sardara verses Palmer etc.:down:, not the right place.

    3. You want to prove my understanding of Gurbani to be wrong Please quote Gurbani, not Palmer.

    Thanks.



    gauVI mhlw 5 ]
    shij smwieE dyv ]
    mo kau siqgur Bey dieAwl dyv ]1] rhwau ]
    kwit jyvrI kIE dwsro sMqn thlwieE ]
    eyk nwm ko QIE pUjwrI mo kau Acrju gurih idKwieE ]1]
    BieE pRgwsu srb aujIAwrw gur igAwnu mnih pRgtwieE ]
    AMimRqu nwmu pIE mnu iqRpiqAw AnBY ThrwieE ]2]
    mwin AwigAw srb suK pwey dUKh Twau gvwieE ]
    jau supRsMn Bey pRB Twkur sBu Awnd rUpu idKwieE ]3]
    nw ikCu Awvq nw ikCu jwvq sBu Kylu kIE hir rwieE ]
    khu nwnk Agm Agm hY Twkur Bgq tyk hir nwieE ]4]15]136]


    Gauree, Fifth Mehl:
    I am intuitively absorbed in the Divine Lord.
    The Divine True Guru has become Merciful to me. ||1||Pause||
    Cutting away the halter, He has made me His slave, and now I work for the Saints.
    I have become a worshipper of the One Name; the Guru has shown me this amazing wonder. ||1||
    The Divine Light has dawned, and everything is illuminated; the Guru has revealed this spiritual wisdom to my mind.
    Drinking deeply of the Ambrosial Naam, the Name of the Lord, my mind is satisfied, and my fears have been vanquished. ||2||
    Accepting the Command of the Lord's Will, I have found total peace; the home of suffering has been destroyed.
    When God, our Lord and Master was totally pleased, He revealed everything in the form of ecstasy. ||3||
    Nothing comes, and nothing goes; this play is all set in motion by the Lord, the Sovereign King.
    Says Nanak, our Lord and Master is inaccessible and unfathomable. The Lord's devotees take His Name as their Support. ||4||15||136||
     
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    Pray for Truth and Saysatsriakaal,

    Kaur 1 Ji and Sardara Ji,

    What is the True Word of His Bani ?

    This is not a cult question !!!
    It's a query from a translation of a Gurbani verse.
     
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    The True Name is the Ambrosial Nectar; no one can describe it.


    The Gift is in the Hands of the Great Giver. At the Guru's Door, in the Gurdwara, it is received.




    isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ]
    hir hir jphu ipAwirAw gurmiq ly hir boil ]
    mnu sc ksvtI lweIAY qulIAY pUrY qoil ]
    kImiq iknY n pweIAY ird mwxk moil Amoil ]1]
    BweI ry hir hIrw gur mwih ]
    sqsMgiq sqguru pweIAY Aihinis sbid slwih ]1] rhwau ]
    scu vKru Dnu rwis lY pweIAY gur prgwis ]
    ijau Agin mrY jil pwieAY iqau iqRsnw dwsin dwis ]
    jm jMdwru n lgeI ieau Baujlu qrY qrwis ]2]
    gurmuiK kUVu n BwveI sic rqy sc Bwie ]
    swkq scu n BwveI kUVY kUVI pWie ]
    sic rqy guir myilAY scy sic smwie ]3]
    mn mih mwxku lwlu nwmu rqnu pdwrQu hIru ]
    scu vKru Dnu nwmu hY Git Git gihr gMBIru ]
    nwnk gurmuiK pweIAY dieAw kry hir hIru ]4]21]




    isrIrwgu mhlw 3 Gru 1
    <> siqgur pRswid ]
    hau siqguru syvI Awpxw iek min iek iciq Bwie ]
    siqguru mn kwmnw qIrQu hY ijs no dyie buJwie ]
    mn icMidAw vru pwvxw jo ieCY so Plu pwie ]
    nwau iDAweIAY nwau mMgIAY nwmy shij smwie ]1]
    mn myry hir rsu cwKu iqK jwie ]
    ijnI gurmuiK cwiKAw shjy rhy smwie ]1] rhwau ]
    ijnI siqguru syivAw iqnI pwieAw nwmu inDwnu ]
    AMqir hir rsu riv rihAw cUkw min AiBmwnu ]
    ihrdY kmlu pRgwisAw lwgw shij iDAwnu ]
    mnu inrmlu hir riv rihAw pwieAw drgih mwnu ]2]
    siqguru syvin Awpxw qy ivrly sMswir ]
    haumY mmqw mwir kY hir rwiKAw aur Dwir ]
    hau iqn kY bilhwrxY ijnw nwmy lgw ipAwru ]
    syeI suKIey chu jugI ijnw nwmu AKutu Apwru ]3]
    gur imilAY nwmu pweIAY cUkY moh ipAws ]
    hir syqI mnu riv rihAw Gr hI mwih audwsu ]
    ijnw hir kw swdu AwieAw hau iqn bilhwrY jwsu ]
    nwnk ndrI pweIAY scu nwmu guxqwsu ]4]1]34]



    isrIrwgu mhlw 3 ]
    hir Bgqw hir Dnu rwis hY gur pUiC krih vwpwru ]
    hir nwmu slwhin sdw sdw vKru hir nwmu ADwru ]
    guir pUrY hir nwmu idRVwieAw hir Bgqw Aqutu BMfwru ]1]
    BweI ry iesu mn kau smJwie ]
    ey mn Awlsu ikAw krih gurmuiK nwmu iDAwie ]1] rhwau ]
    hir Bgiq hir kw ipAwru hY jy gurmuiK kry bIcwru ]
    pwKMif Bgiq n hoveI duibDw bolu KuAwru ]
    so jnu rlwieAw nw rlY ijsu AMqir ibbyk bIcwru ]2]
    so syvku hir AwKIAY jo hir rwKY auir Dwir ]
    mnu qnu saupy AwgY Dry haumY ivchu mwir ]
    Dnu gurmuiK so prvwxu hY ij kdy n AwvY hwir ]3]
    krim imlY qw pweIAY ivxu krmY pwieAw n jwie ]
    lK caurwsIh qrsdy ijsu myly so imlY hir Awie ]
    nwnk gurmuiK hir pwieAw sdw hir nwim smwie ]4]6]39]


    sRIrwgu mhlw 3 ]
    mnmuKu moih ivAwipAw bYrwgu audwsI n hoie ]
    sbdu n cInY sdw duKu hir drgih piq Koie ]
    haumY gurmuiK KoeIAY nwim rqy suKu hoie ]1]
    myry mn Aihinis pUir rhI inq Awsw ]
    sqguru syiv mohu prjlY Gr hI mwih audwsw ]1] rhwau ]
    gurmuiK krm kmwvY ibgsY hir bYrwgu Anµdu ]
    Aihinis Bgiq kry idnu rwqI haumY mwir incMdu ]
    vfY Bwig sqsMgiq pweI hir pwieAw shij Anµdu ]2]
    so swDU bYrwgI soeI ihrdY nwmu vswey ]
    AMqir lwig n qwmsu mUly ivchu Awpu gvwey ]
    nwmu inDwnu sqgurU idKwilAw hir rsu pIAw AGwey ]3]
    ijin iknY pwieAw swDsMgqI pUrY Bwig bYrwig ]
    mnmuK iPrih n jwxih sqguru haumY AMdir lwig ]
    nwnk sbid rqy hir nwim rMgwey ibnu BY kyhI lwig ]4]8]41]



    isrIrwgu mhlw 3 ]
    Gr hI saudw pweIAY AMqir sB vQu hoie ]
    iKnu iKnu nwmu smwlIAY gurmuiK pwvY koie ]
    nwmu inDwnu AKutu hY vfBwig prwpiq hoie ]1]
    myry mn qij inMdw haumY AhMkwru ]
    hir jIau sdw iDAwie qU gurmuiK eykMkwru ]1] rhwau ]
    gurmuKw ky muK aujly gur sbdI bIcwir ]
    hliq pliq suKu pwiedy jip jip irdY murwir ]
    Gr hI ivic mhlu pwieAw gur sbdI vIcwir ]2]
    sqgur qy jo muh Pyrih mQy iqn kwly ]
    Anidnu duK kmwvdy inq johy jm jwly ]
    supnY suKu n dyKnI bhu icMqw prjwly ]3]
    sBnw kw dwqw eyku hY Awpy bKs kryie ]
    khxw ikCU n jwveI ijsu BwvY iqsu dyie ]
    nwnk gurmuiK pweIAY Awpy jwxY soie ]4]9]42]



    isrIrwgu mhlw 3 ]
    qRY gux mwieAw mohu hY gurmuiK cauQw pdu pwie ]
    kir ikrpw mylwieAnu hir nwmu visAw min Awie ]
    poqY ijn kY puMnu hY iqn sqsMgiq mylwie ]1]
    BweI ry gurmiq swic rhwau ]
    swco swcu kmwvxw swcY sbid imlwau ]1] rhwau ]
    ijnI nwmu pCwixAw iqn ivthu bil jwau ]
    Awpu Coif crxI lgw clw iqn kY Bwie ]
    lwhw hir hir nwmu imlY shjy nwim smwie ]2]
    ibnu gur mhlu n pweIAY nwmu n prwpiq hoie ]
    AYsw sqguru loiV lhu ijdU pweIAY scu soie ]
    Asur sMGwrY suiK vsY jo iqsu BwvY su hoie ]3]
    jyhw sqguru kir jwixAw qyho jyhw suKu hoie ]
    eyhu shsw mUly nwhI Bwau lwey jnu koie ]
    nwnk eyk joiq duie mUrqI sbid imlwvw hoie ]4]11]44]


    isrIrwgu mhlw 3 ]
    goivdu guxI inDwnu hY AMqu n pwieAw jwie ]
    kQnI bdnI n pweIAY haumY ivchu jwie ]
    sqguir imilAY sd BY rcY Awip vsY min Awie ]1]
    BweI ry gurmuiK bUJY koie ]
    ibnu bUJy krm kmwvxy jnmu pdwrQu Koie ]1] rhwau ]
    ijnI cwiKAw iqnI swdu pwieAw ibnu cwKy Brim Bulwie ]
    AMimRqu swcw nwmu hY khxw kCU n jwie ]
    pIvq hU prvwxu BieAw pUrY sbid smwie ]2]
    Awpy dyie q pweIAY horu krxw ikCU n jwie ]
    dyvx vwly kY hiQ dwiq hY gurU duAwrY pwie ]
    jyhw kIqonu qyhw hoAw jyhy krm kmwie ]3]
    jqu squ sMjmu nwmu hY ivxu nwvY inrmlu n hoie ]
    pUrY Bwig nwmu min vsY sbid imlwvw hoie ]
    nwnk shjy hI rMig vrqdw hir gux pwvY soie ]4]17]50]




    The True Name is the Ambrosial Nectar; no one can describe it.


    The Gift is in the Hands of the Great Giver. At the Guru's Door, in the Gurdwara, it is received.
     
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    isrIrwgu mhlw 3 ]
    goivdu guxI inDwnu hY AMqu n pwieAw jwie ]
    kQnI bdnI n pweIAY haumY ivchu jwie ]
    sqguir imilAY sd BY rcY Awip vsY min Awie ]1]
    BweI ry gurmuiK bUJY koie ]
    ibnu bUJy krm kmwvxy jnmu pdwrQu Koie ]1] rhwau ]
    ijnI cwiKAw iqnI swdu pwieAw ibnu cwKy Brim Bulwie ]
    AMimRqu swcw nwmu hY khxw kCU n jwie ]
    pIvq hU prvwxu BieAw pUrY sbid smwie ]2]
    Awpy dyie q pweIAY horu krxw ikCU n jwie ]
    dyvx vwly kY hiQ dwiq hY gurU duAwrY pwie ]
    jyhw kIqonu qyhw hoAw jyhy krm kmwie ]3]
    jqu squ sMjmu nwmu hY ivxu nwvY inrmlu n hoie ]
    pUrY Bwig nwmu min vsY sbid imlwvw hoie ]
    nwnk shjy hI rMig vrqdw hir gux pwvY soie ]4]17]50]


    Siree Raag, Third Mehl:
    The Lord of the Universe is the Treasure of Excellence; His limits cannot be found.
    He is not obtained by mouthing mere words, but by rooting out ego from within.
    Meeting the True Guru, one is permeated forever with the Fear of God, who Himself comes to dwell within the mind. ||1||
    O Siblings of Destiny, one who becomes Gurmukh and understands this is very rare.
    To act without understanding is to lose the treasure of this human life. ||1||Pause||
    Those who have tasted it, enjoy its flavor; without tasting it, they wander in doubt, lost and deceived.
    The True Name is the Ambrosial Nectar; no one can describe it.
    Drinking it in, one becomes honorable, absorbed in the Perfect Word of the Shabad. ||2||
    He Himself gives, and then we receive. Nothing else can be done.
    The Gift is in the Hands of the Great Giver. At the Guru's Door, in the Gurdwara, it is received.
    Whatever He does, comes to pass. All act according to His Will. ||3||
    The Naam, the Name of the Lord, is abstinence, truthfulness, and self-restraint. Without the Name, no one becomes pure.
    Through perfect good fortune, the Naam comes to abide within the mind. Through the Shabad, we merge into Him.
    O Nanak, one who lives in intuitive peace and poise, imbued with the Lord's Love, obtains the Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||4||17||50||
     
  20. Sardara123

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    isrIrwgu mhlw 3 ]
    kWieAw swDY aurD qpu krY ivchu haumY n jwie ]
    AiDAwqm krm jy kry nwmu n kb hI pwie ]
    gur kY sbid jIvqu mrY hir nwmu vsY min Awie ]1]
    suix mn myry Bju sqgur srxw ]
    gur prswdI CutIAY ibKu Bvjlu sbid gur qrxw ]1] rhwau ]
    qRY gux sBw Dwqu hY dUjw Bwau ivkwru ]
    pMifqu pVY bMDn moh bwDw nh bUJY ibiKAw ipAwir ]
    sqguir imilAY iqRkutI CUtY cauQY pid mukiq duAwru ]2]
    gur qy mwrgu pweIAY cUkY mohu gubwru ]
    sbid mrY qw auDrY pwey moK duAwru ]
    gur prswdI imil rhY scu nwmu krqwru ]3]
    iehu mnUAw Aiq sbl hY Cfy n ikqY aupwie ]
    dUjY Bwie duKu lwiedw bhuqI dyie sjwie ]
    nwnk nwim lgy sy aubry haumY sbid gvwie ]4]18]51]


    Siree Raag, Third Mehl:
    You may torment your body with extremes of self-discipline, practice intensive meditation and hang upside-down, but your ego will not be eliminated from within.
    You may perform religious rituals, and still never obtain the Naam, the Name of the Lord.
    Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, remain dead while yet alive, and the Name of the Lord shall come to dwell within the mind. ||1||
    Listen,
    O my mind: hurry to the Protection of the Guru's Sanctuary.
    By Guru's Grace you shall be saved. Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, you shall cross over the terrifying world-ocean of poison. ||1||Pause||
    Everything under the influence of the three qualities shall perish; the love of duality is corrupting.
    The Pandits, the religious scholars, read the scriptures, but they are trapped in the bondage of emotional attachment. In love with evil, they do not understand.
    Meeting the Guru, the bondage of the three qualities is cut away, and in the fourth state, the Door of Liberation is attained. ||2||
    Through the Guru, the Path is found, and the darkness of emotional attachment is dispelled.
    If one dies through the Shabad, then salvation is obtained, and one finds the Door of Liberation.
    By Guru's Grace, one remains blended with the True Name of the Creator. ||3||
    This mind is very powerful; we cannot escape it just by trying.
    In the love of duality, people suffer in pain, condemned to terrible punishment.
    O Nanak, those who are attached to the Naam are saved; through the Shabad, their ego is banished. ||4||18||51||
     
  21. Astroboy

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    Sardara Ji,

    If a person is interested in Sikhism and asks the same question, then I suppose we cannot answer it - simply because our blind faith (belief) exceeds our experience.

    So what's the reason for them to come into Sikhism - even idol worshippers have blind faith.
     

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