bani and significance to sikhs

The subconscious(the real self) does everything according to our actions(WITHOUT JUDGING)- what we see, read, hear, think, as well as according to our past karma......and as we read or listen Bani (irrespetive of correct pronunciation or correct knowledge of the content or raag/naad)it gets imprinted in antahkaran as it is, acting like SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE.



All that needed is repeated action ....... Naam Simar Naam Simar Eho Tero Kaaj Re..... Behndyan Udhdyan Hari Naam Dhyavay..... AS BANI IS GURU- Guru Kee Seva is reading, reciting, and contemplating Gurbani.

inspite of all the ifs and buts of the conscious mind, Gurbani keeps on writting the SACH deep within everytime it is being read or heard or recited by a PRO or a NON-PRO........ Then SACH does it's part -DEEP CLEANSING(changes our present behaviour and clears our past karma. brings knowledge and contemplation. Pher Jhim Jhim Amrit Barsadaa Hai...)........


Gurbani is from the highest source- INFINITE TIMES BIGGER THAN NAAD etc.............NIRANKAAR- jo antar bahar sab jagah hai

that's why....Dhan Dhan Guru Sahib Ji Says -Parya Anparya ParamGat Paavay..........



IRESPECTIVE OF A PERSON'S CULTURE/COLOR/SPOKEN LANGUAGE/KNOWLEGDE, IF SOMEBODY IS PASSING BY LOOKING AT A WALL HANGING THAT HAS A SHABAD INSCRIBED FROM DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI, TWO THREE TIMES A DAY, EVERYDAY, OVER SOMETIME YOU CAN NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS PERSON'S THINKING ABOUT GOD'S EXISTANCE.












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When the world around you is going crazy, when there is sickness, accidents, sadness, unpredictable and painful events -- and you repeat, read, reflect on just a few lines of Gurbani-- you receive the gift of peace -- every time.

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The whole language of Gurbani has the power to make a person divine, just in its recitation, if done correctly. One need not be concerned with the meaning for a change in consciousness. Bani has to be understood by the heart, not by the head.

One appears to have transformed in a very short time from a SEEKER to a PREACHER and have begun making Kachi Bani.statements. If you want to progress then best stay a seeker.

Our Gurus have expressed their feeling and experiences in Gurbani. Without correct pronunciation and punctuation you will fail to understand the feeling of our Gurus and will be unable to relate to their experience. Gurbani is Mantar based. It is vital that you learn to pronounce the words correctly and learn the punctuation else it will be of no benefit. Failure to do so will lead you to draw incorrect meanings from the Shabads.

By understanding Bani with your head, will bring you closer to the Guru and your heart will begin to flutter with love.

What you cannot understand, you cannot feel.


Action in a Conscious state takes a very long time to reach sub-conscious and to rebound back. What one sees, reads, hears, thinks is never done in a conscious state. It is done in auto mode so it is unlikely to reach ones subconscious. Especially what has not been understood and felt.

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All that needed is repeated action ....... Naam Simar Naam Simar Eho Tero Kaaj Re..... Behndyan Udhdyan Hari Naam Dhyavay..... AS BANI IS GURU- Guru Kee Seva is reading, reciting, and contemplating Gurbani.

Why contemplate - You cannot contemplate without understanding and at the same time you say below that understanding is not necessary!


From your statement, are we to conclude that our Gurus have wasted their precious time in developing the language and for writing Bani in Raags.? Soooooo sad.

One still appears to be lost!

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Gurbani is from the highest source- INFINITE TIMES BIGGER THAN NAAD etc.............NIRANKAAR- jo antar bahar sab jagah hai that's why....Dhan Dhan Guru Sahib Ji Says -Parya Anparya ParamGat Paavay..........

Bani will stay behind Only Naad will go forth.

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IRESPECTIVE OF A PERSON'S CULTURE/COLOR/SPOKEN LANGUAGE/KNOWLEGDE, IF SOMEBODY IS PASSING BY LOOKING AT A WALL HANGING THAT HAS A SHABAD INSCRIBED FROM DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI, TWO THREE TIMES A DAY, EVERYDAY, OVER SOMETIME YOU CAN NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS PERSON'S THINKING ABOUT GOD'S EXISTANCE.

So much contradiction and wishy washey statements.

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Pehlaan hi akal wali gal karo, phir sorry sorry kari jana.

Ekmusafir_ajnabi

Ek Musafir ji,
ssa,

Very many thanks for guiding us. I shall try to take the points stated by you as an advice. AS the matter has been taken from the site of Sikhnet I beleived that the same would be 100 percent research based. However, it appears that it may not be the case. Thanks once again for your valuable input. These are some of the 'tuks' that describe the attributes of Bani. I had stated these in the opening lines of the post as well. In any case it is eulogisation. Bani has been stated to be Naam itself.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/18495-bani-and-significance-to-sikhs.html


Bani is From True Guru
siqgur kI bwxI siq siq kir jwxhu gurisKhu hir krqw Awip muhhu kFwey ] (308-5, gauVI, mÚ 4)
O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.

2. Naam thru. Gurbani
gur kI bwxI nwim vjwey ] (362-11, Awsw, mÚ 3)
Through the Word of the Guru's Bani, the Naam resounds;

3. Remain in Self
inrml bwxI inj Gir vwsw ] (362-18, Awsw, mÚ 3)
Through the Immaculate Bani of the Word, the mortal dwells within the home of his own inner self.

and
nwnk haumY mwry sdw audwsw ]4]6]45] (362-19, Awsw, mÚ 3)
O Nanak, he conquers his ego, and remains forever detached.

ihrdY suix suix min AMimRqu BwieAw ] (366-11, Awsw, mÚ 4)
Constantly listening to the Ambrosial Gurbani in the heart, it becomes pleasing to the mind.
There are also many other attributes that have been stated in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I shall post it as and when I come across these lines. Your analysis is objective. One will have to be vigilant while quoting from the sikhnet.

Thanks Once again.

Bani, Naam and Recitation

It was on[5-12-07]that the katha of Gyani Maskeen ji was relayed . In his ‘parvachan’ he stated many things but I am quoting only that is relevant to the thread.

After quoting many ‘tuks’ from SGS ji he made an observation that entire Bani is ‘Naam’ as it is the word of GOD. One can,therefore, concentrate on the recitation of the bani. It can be done in two ways:

• Either by reciting the Bani like Ajapa jap.
• Or By reading the bani aloud so that it is heard by the reader.

OR
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495

In case it is found difficult then one should do ‘Naam jaap’/simran/meditation on the word ‘waheguru’. He had stated clearly that without this there is no escape of Sikh. One should devote as much time as possible as life is not very predictable.
I am giving below some ‘tuks’ from Granth sahib ji in this regard:

• GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.[308-5]
• Through the Word of the Guru's Bani, the Naam resounds[362-11]
• Singing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises, the Naam abides within the mind.[363-3]
• Constantly listening to the Ambrosial Gurbani in the heart, it becomes pleasing to the mind.[366-11]
• Through Gurbani, the Incomprehensible Lord is comprehended[366-12]

There are many sweet quotes from the Granth Sahib ji.

• • The One Lord is pervading and permeating deep within the heart; with your mouth, recite the Ambrosial Hymns of the Guru.[366-12]
  • Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion.[376-14]
  • Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured.[376-15]
  • Embrace love for the Word of the Guru's Bani.[387-13]
  • The Kirtan of the Lord's Praise is my Support; this wealth is everlasting.[398-14]|
  • Those whose minds are pleased with the Word of the Guru's Bani, drink in the Ambrosial Nectar again and again.[449-14]
  • Servant Nanak chants the Glorious Words of the Guru's Bani; through them, one is absorbed into the Naam, the Name of the Lord. [494-4]

Waaho! Waaho! is the Bani, the Word, of the Formless Lord. There is no other as great as He is.[515-17]
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495

One may post the 'tuks' related to Bani.

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Bani will stay behind Only Naad will go forth.

SO in your 'vadmulla' opinion BANI JO NIRANKAAR HAI will be staying behind

and Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Sahibaan Ji is Telling us time and again-


Vaho Vaho Bani Nirankaar Hai Tis Jevad Avar NA KOEEeeeeee..............

Bani Guru Hai Bani Vich Bani Amrit Saarey..............

Pothee Parmesar ka thaanv..........


AND DHAN DHAN SACHE PATSHAH DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU RAAM DAAS JI DE PAAVAN BACHAN NE:

ਕੋਈ ਗਾਵੈ ਰਾਗੀ ਨਾਦੀ ਬੇਦੀ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਨਹੀ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਭੀਜੈ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਜੇ ॥

it is on Panna # 450, If God is not pleased by singing of Him by sound current of Naad- HOW CAN ONE EVEN THINK THAT only naad go forth.....

AND DHAN DHAN SACHE PATSHAH DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU NANAK DEV JI DE PAAVAN BACHAN NE:

ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਰਾਗੀ ਨਾਦੀ ਬੇਦਿ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਸੁਰਤੀ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਜੋਗਿ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਸੋਗੀ ਕੀਤੈ ਰੋਜਿ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਰੂਪੀ ਮਾਲੀ ਰੰਗਿ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਭਵਿਐ ਨੰਗਿ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਦਾਤੀ ਕੀਤੈ ਪੁੰਨਿ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਬੈਠਿਆ ਸੁੰਨਿ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਭੇੜਿ ਮਰਹਿ ਭਿੜਿ ਸੂਰ ॥ ਨ ਭੀਜੈ ਕੇਤੇ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਧੂੜ ॥ ਲੇਖਾ ਲਿਖੀਐ ਮਨ ਕੈ ਭਾਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਭੀਜੈ ਸਾਚੈ ਨਾਇ ॥੨॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1237}

Jis Sach Nu Tusi Rijha Nahi Sakde Jis Naad Naal Kis Tarah Uh Naad Tuhanu Agge Le Ke Jayaga or will be able to go forth itself......

WAHEGURU RAKHA EKMUSAFIR JI, TUSI BANI TO ITNE AJNABI HO...... Maaf Karna
myself, Neechan to vee Neech Haan par jad koi Guru Sahib Di Beadbee kare te sevkaa nu awaaj chuknee paindee hai, ohi koshish hai, only making the issue clear for those who BELIEVE IN GURU JI and trying to understand the truth


Only that mind can think of such a statement " Bani will stay behind Only Naad will go forth." who limits DHAN DHAN GURBANI to mere poetry in some worldly language, Bani is INFINITE mere veer: THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. Dhur Kee Bani/Sachi Bani is THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH how can the absolute truth stay behind: GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE FROM DHAN DHAN GURBANI, PLEASE.

And ITS SUBLIMINAL EFFECT CANNOT BE IMAGINED IN ITS TOTALITY, unlimited time is needed to write that.
Only that person can understand it to WHOM HE HIMSELF MAKE IT UNDERSTOOD (BUJHAAEE).
You must have read Dhan Dhan Guru Sahib De Bachan- GUN GAAVAN DEH BHUJHAAEE.......
One who understands it with the Divine Bliss hear it in EVERY SOUND, see it in EVERY VISIBLE OR NON VISIBLE THING, feels it in ROM ROM and HAR KINKE CH...........................
ALSO ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE ------Bin akhkhee dekhna, bin kanni sunnana.................


Parmatma da Daas sadaa hi Parmatma Da Das hi rehnda hai, 'seeker or preacher' these identities are important to those who only 'talk' or 'strongly act to walk the path', a person who walks the true path has NO IDENTITY (CRISIS) ISSUES. He/She always keeps his/her plate the lowest mere veer. Tusi thokar maro, khillee udavo, gal naal lavo, does that matter!!!! it will only effect the doer, not the subject.....

EK TUHEE EK TUHEE

SEVAK NU HAR PAASE MALIK DA HI DIDAAR HUNDA HAI


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THIS IS THE TRUE FAITH

Dhur Ki Bani Aaee Tin Saglee Chint Mitaaee



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Ekh Musafir before I thought you were misguided and egotistical, from what you have written above I see you are just plain nasty!

IK HOR PAR LAO SARE:

Dhan Dhan Bhagat Kabir Ji De Paavan Bachan:

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495


So all types of Jogies- who believe in sound current, who belives in karam kaand, datt mat de jogi who sing 'alakh niranjan', who practice silence: ALL ARE FAVORITES OF JAMDOOT...........................



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