After Death

princess kaur · #1 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 20:22 PM

what does sikhism say about swarag & narak!!!!!!!
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harry haller · #2 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 21:05 PM

my own opinion, and I am probably in a minority, is that death is death, no more, end of, wormfood, the big sleep

Soul_jyot · #3 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 21:51 PM

LIFE AFTER DEATH - SIKHISM

INTRODUCTION

Sikhs believe that upon death one merges back into the universal nature, just as a drop of rain merges back into the ocean. Individuality is lost. Sikhs do not believe in heaven or hell. Heaven can be experienced by being in tune with God while still alive. Conversely, the suffering and pain caused by ego is seen as hell on earth. Sikhism views spiritual pursuits as positive experiences in and of themselves that transcend death, not as sacrifices made in order to collect a reward that is waiting until after death. At birth the soul emerges into earth consciousness, veiled of all memory of past lives and the inner worlds. The cycle of reincarnation ends when karma has been resolved and the Self God (Parasiva) has been realized. This condition of release is called moksha. Then the soul continues to evolve and mature, but without the need to return to physical existence. Sikhism teaches that the soul reincarnates when the body dies. Sikhs believe that good, or bad actions, determine the life form into which a soul takes rebirth. At the time of death, demonic, ego centered souls may be destined to suffer great agonies, and pain, in the dark underworld of Narak.A soul, fortunate enough to achieve grace, overcomes ego by meditating on God. Such a soul may attain liberation from the cycle of reincarnation. The soul then experiences salvation in Sachkhand, the realm of truth, where it exists eternally, as an entity of radiant light.

Sikhism believes in the immortality of the soul. The devotee has no fear of the pangs of death. In fact he welcomes death, because it gives him a chance for the merger into Divinity. The evil person, however, dreads death. For him, it will lead to the unending cycle of birth and death. After death, man comes to the next birth according to what he deserves. If he has been wicked and evil, he takes birth in the lower species. If he has done good deeds, he takes birth in a good family. The cycle of birth and death keeps the soul away from Divinity. It can merge with God, only if the individual, by spiritual effort, has amassed the capital of the Name (the Holy Spirit as understood by Christians) and thus lives with the Holy Spirit. The Sikh religion teaches that salvation consists in knowing God, or in obtaining God, or being absorbed into God. The general method of salvation is fairly consistent with the supremacy of an inscrutable God, and with the accompanying doctrines of the worthlessness of the world and the helplessness of man... This method of obtaining salvation by a pantheistic merging of the individual self with the mystical world soul is identical with the method of salvation.

Karma belief says that actions and the consequences of these actions decide whether a soul can be set loose from the cycle. Freedom from the cycle of rebirth is called mukti.Sikhs believe in reincarnation. This means that a person's soul may be reborn many times as a human or an animal. Sikhs believe that upon death one merges back into the universal nature, just as a drop of rain merges back into the ocean. Individuality is lost. Sikhs do not believe in heaven or hell. Heaven can be experienced by being in tune with God while still alive. Conversely, the suffering and pain caused by ego is seen as hell on earth. Sikhism views spiritual pursuits as positive experiences in and of themselves that transcend death, not as sacrifices made in order to collect a reward that is waiting until after death. The Sikhs believe that the Soul has to transmigrate from one body to another as part of an evolution process of the Soul. This evolution of the Soul will eventually results in a union with God upon the proper purification of the spirit. If one does not perform righteous deeds, ones soul will continue to cycle in reincarnation forever. A being who has performed good deeds and actions in their lives is transmigrated to a better and higher life form in the next life until the soul of the being becomes Godlike.

The Sikh concept of mukti is essentially that of jivan mukti, the one attainable in one's lifetime itself. Further, Sikhism rejects the idea of considering renunciation as the vesture of a jivan mukta. Contrast with it, for example, the Jain view according to which the liberated persons have to lead a mendicant's life, for; otherwise, they cannot keep themselves free from karma. Sikhs do not believe in heaven or hell. Heaven can be experienced by being in tune with God still alive. Conversely, the suffering and pain caused by ego is seen as hell on earth. Sikhism views spiritual pursuits as positive experiences in and of themselves that transcend death, not as sacrifices made in order to collect a reward that is waiting until after death. Similarly there is no actual place called heaven. Sikhism does not regard the winning of a place in heaven as a worthy object. The old Indian concept of heaven is of a beautiful place providing all sorts of comforts and luxuries. The concept of hell and heaven is just a rough illustration for clarifying the doctrine of Karma. Hell and heaven refer to evil or good stages of life respectively and they can be lived here and now in our earthly existence. According to Guru Arjan, "Wherever the praises of God are sung, there verily is heaven. The devotee is neither afraid of hell nor anxious to go to heaven. In a way, hell and heaven are conditions of mind. So the soul of man wanders and suffers on earth." The worldly man eats, enjoys and sleeps, unmindful of the higher things of life.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-discussion/38778-after-death.html

source: http://death.findyourfate.com/life-a...h/sikhism.html

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Q31. Is there a hell or heaven?

Man is judged according to his actions. If he has done evil deeds, he goes into lower forms of life; if he has done noble deeds, he gets a human life again. The idea of hell and heaven is a mere hypothesis. The picture of hell as a place of varied and terrible tortures is symbolic:

"There is a stream of fire from which comes poisnous flames.
There is none else there except the self.
The waves of the ocean of fire are aflame.
And the sinners are burning in them." (A.G. p 1026)

Shaikh Farid tells us that hell is a burning lake resounding with terrible cries. It may be added that the result of a sinful life is its adverse effect on character from which ultimately comes suffering and torment. In short, to be in hell is to be out of the presence of God.

Similarly there is no actual place called heaven. Sikhism does not regard the winning of a place in heaven as a worthy object. The old Indian concept of heaven is of a beautiful place providing all sorts of comforts and luxuries. The devotee is neither afraid of hell nor anxious to go to heaven. In a way, hell and heaven are conditions of mind. The virtuous man is happy and contented, as if he is living in heaven.

The concept of hell and heaven is just a rough illustration for clarifying the doctrine of Karma. Hell and heaven refer to evil or good stages of life repectively and they can be lived here and now in our earthly existence.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38778

According to Guru Arjan, "Whereever the praises of God are sung, there verily is heaven." Likewise, the society of the wicked is a hell. The condition of an average man is described thus: "Like birds that flock in the evening on a tree, flutter with pleasure and pain, scan the skies morning and evening, wandering everywhere, driven by hunger. So the soul of man wanders and suffers on earth." The worldly man eats, enjoys and sleeps, unmindful of the higher things of life. He is free, and perhaps, may choose wrongly.

source: http://www.allaboutsikhs.com/sikhism...hell-or-heaven

Rory · #4 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2012, 03:50 AM

Soul_jyot-ji how do we know it is symbolic? Where are we given reason to believe this?

Soul_jyot · #5 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2012, 04:39 AM

Please refer to previous postings on the subject:

Heaven and Hell ??
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38778

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interf...-and-hell.html

Ishna · #6 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2012, 07:10 AM

No one can ever know what happens after death. What we do here is what's important. Everything else is just guesswork and hope. Hope that we would be rewarded for our good actions and our endurance. Hope that our enemies and those who do wrong against us will be tormented for eternity. Or hope that we will merge into divine blissful light while the others will be reincarnated again and again or simply die.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38778

Think about doing all your good deeds for the sake of doing good deeds enduring hardship for the sake of carrying on, and the evil-minded stealing your home, your wealth, your children and living in materialistic bliss now while you find solace in the only thing that can't be taken away from you (God / naam) just to end up in the exact same place after death as the man who wronged you.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38778

How does that make you feel? This scenario says a lot about religious beliefs, optimism, spiritual growth, acceptance and reality.

Luckysingh · #7 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2012, 09:50 AM

Ishna ji, thanks for the few thoughtful comments.
My only concern is this ill wishing you stated-

[QUOTE=Ishna;167684] Hope that our enemies and those who do wrong against us will be tormented for eternity. QUOTE]

To me, personally, I believe in forgiving and not wishing bad upon others for their bad deeds. Only the lord has the power and right to make such judgements and I don't like to help by playing that role in any way.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38778
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38778
In terms of sikhi, in my view it is not very good gurmat practice so we shouldn't encourage it to others.

I don't think that you actually meant that in the way it came across as I cannot sense such a vengeful streak in your nature!!peacesign

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2012, 09:54 AM

SIKHISM is very STRONG on..Na ko BERI nahin Beganna..No one is my enemy..NONE is a STRANGER..Sagal saang hum ko bann ayye..I am Brother to ALL....UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD same FAMILY under the Heavenly Father Creator !! GURU ARJUN JI seated on the hot Plate says..DOSH na khoon devohn..I Blame no one ( for this torture)...Har Ka naam padart h mangeh..I only seek YOUR NAME...

Kamala · #9 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2012, 10:52 AM

Honestly, what I am going to say is not my opinion, but I was told that swarg is where the demi gods reside and narak is hell, sach khand is different from swarg because sach khand is forever while if you go to swarg it is for a while and you get reincarnated.