Re: Slander of Dasam Granth at Sikh Philosophy Network

To members of sikhawareness.com
Forum member Singh2 has started a thread at sikhawareness.com entitled Slander of Dasam Granth at SPN. On the thread Singh2 and other members of sikhawareness have made numerous public allegations that various SPN members, moderators and mentors have slandered Sri Dasam Granth, and that SPN admin has aided and abetted the slander. It is unfortunate that sikhawareness has allowed such negative propaganda at the behest of one member without confirming these allegations independently. SPN has not acted in a similar way toward any other Internet forum. Despite his provocations, SPN has accommodated Singh2 and allowed him to share his views. We at SPN feel such misleading of the panth is unacceptable and serves to further divide us. We also believe that the allegations are categorically untrue. We invite sikhwareness members to identify and list specific examples of slander (the sentence or phrase) found on SPN, naming the member, moderator or mentor who uttered the slander. You must also clearly state that you are responding to our invitation as a sikhwareness.com member. You will be required to provide the thread url and post number where the slander occurred. Slander is defined as words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another person. No multiple identities! Respectfully, the Admin at SPN


To members of sikhsangat.com
Forum member Inder Singh has started a thread at sikhsangat.com entitled Slander of Dasam Granth at SPN. On the thread Inder Singh and other members of sikhsangat have made numerous public allegations that various SPN members, moderators and mentors have slandered Sri Dasam Granth, and that SPN admin has aided and abetted the slander. It is unfortunate that sikhsangat has allowed such negative propaganda at the behest of one member without confirming these allegations independently. SPN has not acted in a similar way toward any other Internet forum. Despite his provocations, SPN has accommodated Inder Singh and allowed him to share his views. We at SPN feel such misleading of the panth is unacceptable and serves to further divide us. We also believe that the allegations are categorically untrue. We invite sikhsangat members to identify and list specific examples of slander (the sentence or phrase) found on SPN, naming the member, moderator or mentor who uttered the slander. You must also clearly state that you are responding to our invitation as a sikhsangat.com member. You will be required to provide the thread url and post number where the slander occurred. Slander is defined as words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another person. No multiple identities! Respectfully, the Admin at SPN
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-discussion/25674-re-slander-dasam-granth-sikh-philosophy.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674

We welcome your views Daas

This thread will be closed on July 3 2009 at midnight, -5 GMT

Note dated November 27, 2009. Both sikhsangat.com and sikhawareness.com apparently have removed the thread Slander of Dasam Granth at SPN. We noticed a few weeks ago that this thread was missing. The thread can no longer be located on either site. Narayanjot Kaur

 
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Hmm.

Where are all the "Burn Her" Crew? The one's that think we are Kala Afghana supporters and the otherones that take swipes from the sidelines?

Hopefully we can put this to rest quickly and get back to good old fashioned debate on all matters Sikh.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674

Not to worry -- only 36 hours left: Thanks, daas

Tony ji

On July 3, 2008 in the thread Dasam granth history, Mentor SPN Giani Jarnail singh wrote

Slander Of Dasam Bani On Spn - The Voice of Sikh Youth


1 Letter of Bhai mani singh To mata sundri on Dasam granth compositons is fake

2) He wrote dasam granth has pornography in it ans has sex acts and tells us how to drink, take bhang etc

Now dasam garnth is an accepted scripture among sikhs. how can an aged man acting as mentor of SPN is allowed to make such ridiculous statements. I responded to him by giving refrences that what he writes is false assumption and has no historical backing.

In the same thread one Pk70 also castigates dasam granth sahib.

THis is just tip of iceberg. I will post more. i have posted what i have seen there. It will all be proved to you.

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Tony aka Dass ji

in the same thread Aman singh owner of SPN reinforces view of Jarnail singh by citing this from somewhere and no source is given. THis is a very clever trick to back giani ji.

Post of aman is given below

By Aman singh of SPN

1. Not all that is contained in Dasam Granth is Gurbaani, but there is authentic Baani like Jaap Sahib etc.

2. Dasam Granth was not compiled by the Guru's, but it was supposedly done by Bhai Mani Singh much later - as pointed out by Kesar Singh Chibber. However kesar Singh also writes that a 'Sikh' cursed Bhai Sahib, that his 'band band' would be cut, yet he would remain steadfast in his sikhi.

This seems to be a crude attempt to undermine the sikhi of a great Sikh like Bhai Mani Singh. Please analyse, this story. See how the story attempts to say that the bemisaal shahdat of Bhai Mani Singh was due to a 'curse' by a 'Sikh', not because he was a great Sikh.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674

Further there is neither a concept of Boon or curse in sikhi. All powers are in the hand of almighty not with anyone. Further a true Sikh would never curse, Bhai Sahib, who himself being a tru sikhi would never do any unsikhi or manmati acticity.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674

Kesar Singh Chiber also writes that he is writing the accounts on hearsay... something which poses a question mark on the authenticity of his accounts.

He wrote his Bansavalinama when he was 72 years old !!!

3. Even if we assume for a moment that Bachittar Natak and CharitroPakhyan are Gurbaani, we cannot accord them the same status as Guru Granth Sahib, that is the status of our Guru. If we were to do that, tommorrow, somone may question why we canot have Prakash of Bhai Gurdas Baani, for that is Panth Pravnit.

4. The fact, dear Veers is to sit down, think cooly and arrive at a conclusion for the benefit of Sikhs all over. I wonder what stops the SGPC from having a debate within the 2 factions to resolve the issue.

The above is a typical kala afghana sect writing.Yet you say you are being wrongly quoted.



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Tony ji
On Jan 17,2008 dasam granth and its history thread

Another member Bhagat singh writes Dasam granth bas piece of tarsh

The post parts are given below

There are parts of Dasam Granth that can be made into an adult video. The language used is very common, so when you read it, it sounds fine if you dont understand BUT if you understand it, you can't help but have a laugh at that piece of trash and wonder why people say Guru Gobind Singh would write such a thing!\

The in the same thread Bhagat singh writes

I don't know why... maybe...its because it's got porn in it! -----
dasam granth cannot be written by Guru Gobind Singh JI. Stop calling him the writer of this nonsensical piece of trash.
Khanda and Kirpan were present before Guru Gobind Singh.
Dont push it, now you will say Guru Gobind Singh worshipped Chandi! NONSENSE!----

10th Master and Amrit have nothing to do with that trash! Do YOU know anything about the concept of Khalsa??

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There was no parkash of Dasam granth at Dyala bhai ka village as alleged by Giani Jarnail singh

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/dasam-...am-granth.html



3. Its these authentic Banis that were deliberately MIXED in with the spuriosu 18 granths or so..to make up one huge garnth to EQUAL the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..and Paraksh it at EQUAL PLAV+CE beside Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to challenge the GURU. Thsi nefarious scheme was played out in Dyala Bhai ka Pind on Nov 13th by the taksal/Rss/groups. ( Even in this "natak- Drama Bazee".. they IGNORED hsitorical importance of DINA KANGGAR as the Historic Village where Guru ji wrote the ZAFARNAMAH..Epistle of Victory.and instead chose a nearby pind ?? why ?? to play around with Sikh history..and celebtrate FATEH DIWAS of ZAFARNAMA away from its historical grounds ???
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674

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Giani Jarnail singh supporting kala afghana and Jogindedr singh contrary to his claims

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/dasam-...king-guru.html

Same high handed techniques ( Death Threats/ridicule/ridiculous false propoganda etc etc ) used against SPOKESMAN. its Editor Joginder Singh...GS.Kala Afghana.....Prof Darshan Singh... Hari Yukta...Harbhajan Singh..Reporters of Spokesman...and NOW latest victim of these is.... HS Dilgeer...in fact anyone who writes in Spokesman is fair game ?? Such will not work simply because this is the IT Age....GYAAN is so widespread..HANERA-DARKNESS is out..except in some darkened and closed

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Foolow up post by adm9inistrator aad ji in support of giani ji

This is a poor paraphrase of an eloquent statement by an illiterate chief of an aboriginal tribe in Peru. He said this about controversy: Without questions there is only closure. In Nature there is no closure. So let there always be questions between brother and brother.

Maybe we have to rise to a level that is sophisticated in order to forget that we are brothers and fail to understand that to ask questions is natural between brothers (and sisters).

Inder Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for posting for the first time before the thread closed. We were waiting for you and other mates so they could give you a hand in the search as it is NOT a research. I hope you get the difference. Please invite other members and mates of yours from SA and SS to give you a hand in finding what you are looking for. It is an open invitation.

Now let us get to what you have posted.

All you have mentioned above and claim it as Slander to Dasam Granth is false and full of lies. You are like a good tiger who can never change his stripes.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674

As mentioned in my other post to you, disagreements are NOT slander. I thought you knew that. You are just one angry person when people disagree with you. I will urge you to open your eyes and ears and try to understand what others are saying. A person with talibanic blindfolds can not see anything.

There is pornography in DG. Do you disagree? You are the one posted the pornographic posts from DG here. Why don't you dig those and repost them and then show the person you have claimed to say that DG has pornography.

Only by discussing we can learn, not by imposing our will. The Muslims tried that, The Hindus tried that, even the Brits tried that and you know the History.


So, please bring your open arms so that we can all be ready to learn from each other rather than your anger,rancor,hatred and blindfolds.


Regards

Tejwant Singh

But keep on digging.

No slander here.

Just an opinion

Again no Slander here, just a comment.

Not even support for Kala Afghana or Joginder Singh.

In any case this is not Slandering Dasam Granth

No Slander here again

VERDICT

There is no evidence of any slander here whatsoever of the Dasam Granth.

Definition of Slander:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slander

1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

No Slander here just comment

No slander here. Just comment.
Bhaghat Singh is not an Admin. You said admins slandered Dasam Granth.

VERDICT

There is no evidence of any slander here whatsoever of the Dasam Granth.

Definition of Slander:

slander - definition of slander by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

Giani ji on dasam granth

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/hard-t...han-singh.html

imho the entire drama is about the "Bachittar Natak"..Strange Drama !!
First Kala Afghana exposed this as fake and not written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674
Then Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh Ji also came forward to actively PROTEST this book being placed on Par with our GURU..
Thus those who "hate" kala Afghana must also hate Ragi....because they both are saying the same thing...Bachittar Natak aka dsm granth is NOT by Guru Ji and should NOT be parkash at Hazoor Sahib where the 3ooth Gurta Gadhi Diws of GURU is being celebrated..Gurta was given to ONLY Guru Granth Sahib JI and no other boook/granth has nay equal significance especially at Hazoor Sahib where the 1708 decision by Guru Ji is being celebrated.
Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23200 (Kala Afghana V/S Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa)
Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23200 (Kala Afghana V/S Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa)
Thus it would be sweet music to these peopel...IF...the Ragi and KA were to fight !!
An enemy divided is an enemy dead....
BUT imho this is NOT about to happen any time soon....the KA wrote BOOKS..and the RAGI is an ORATOR...BOTH complement each other !!! Their MESSAGE is the SAME.."SAY NO TO DSM GRANTH".

Gyani Js

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You embrace Dasam Granth instead by undermining,disrepescting and second guessing Guru Gobind Singh ji. It needs nothing more than common sense to see that if Guru Gobind Singh ji wanted a granth by his name then he would not have added his father's Guru Teg Bahadur's Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and hence would have rendered it useless.

It is appalling that you and your ilk do not accept Guru Gobind Singh's decision. So now you know that you and people who think the way you do are unshamedly heretic, which is sad.

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Giani ji on Dasam granth

Praising those who wrote against dasam granth and wee excommunicated

SO if..I say IF..a Bhag Singh Ambala came along and questioned the DSM Granth with ONE Book.....Bhai Gurbakhs Singh Kala Afghana came along and wrote TEN Books..many others also wrote not only BOOKS but also offered a REWARD of TEN LAKH Rupees to anyoen who cna prove that the writer of dsm Granth is Guru Gobind Singh Ji....SO WHAT ?? IF these people are all FRAUDS..telling lies..have no basis..what are we AFRAID OF ?? Why go to extrereme knee jerk reactions like excommunicate them, villify them, take a microscope and digg durt on their personal lives to discredit them....and form so called Human Rights Organsiations that DECIDE on DSm Granth ( Human Rights !! not Scripture Rights ??) set up Orgs and Coms and Nets on the Internet etc etc to "prove" something that NEEDS NO PROOF ?? Why not let the FALSEHOOD FALL ON ITS OWN ??

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Again Giani ji calls rehatnamsa and hukam nama as fake'

Fake Laetters of Bhai mani Singh..Fake rehitnamahs, Hukmanmahs, etc etc and all...has been going on for CENTURIES...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25674

people all over can read the TRUTH..in www.Rozana spokesman.com
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Tejwant calling others Hindus for respecting DG

Inder Singh ji,

I want to thank you for showing your true colors and your faith in Hinduism which is not a bad thing. Lots of Hindus are also members of this Sikh forum.

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Tejwant calling believers in dasam bani as Hindutva

When these things about DG being the work of Guru Gobind Singh keep on cropping up by some whose agenda is nothing but deviate us from our only GURU- Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and add Hindutva into Sikhi.




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Khalsa fauj on dasam granth


I am a Sikh of Guru Granth Sahib Ji. You can bring your Guru which is Dasam Granth, to live debate. We can read some chariters to the sangat.

NOTE Same thread for these

Inder ji

I am curious why these statements conform to the ordinary definition of slander.

Statements uttered deliberately to harm the reputation of another.