Kala Afghana V/S Darshan Singh Ragi

Gurfateh
Das has seen one Haqeem Ji in delhi and a magzine which is pro Kala Afghana condeming Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa ,while right hand man of ragi condemeed sopkesman and Kala Afghana.
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Now Kala Afghan's article das saw and is givne below.(admin can remove link if they want)
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das thinks on the following theroy
1.both Ragi and Kala Afghana are hand in glow but as Kala Afghana failed in past so to bring the old idgoy in the new wrapper,we find this drama of thier mutual discord is eacted.
2.Both are fundamenatalists and if that is so thier ego have to clash and end of fundamentaislm is by thier mutual clash.

3.Kala Afghan is enivious to ragi as ragi has taken limlight off from the Kala Afghana to himself in regard to be controvery mongreal.

Or there could be some more reasons ?

 
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Daas ji

What is your understanding?
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Why do you think Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa has taken the limelight away form Kala Afghana?

Also, can you say more specifically about their disagreement? What are they disagreeing about. I can't read Punjabi.

Thanks for your help.

Gurfateh

For last 3 years or so ragi Ji has started to preach what Kala Afghana Ji were preaching but have shown disrespect to Kala Afghana Ji.Kala Afghana Ji has also reacted therefore.

imho the entire drama is about the "Bachittar Natak"..Strange Drama !!
First Kala Afghana exposed this as fake and not written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji..
Then Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh Ji also came forward to actively PROTEST this book being placed on Par with our GURU..
Thus those who "hate" kala Afghana must also hate Ragi....because they both are saying the same thing...Bachittar Natak aka dsm granth is NOT by Guru Ji and should NOT be parkash at Hazoor Sahib where the 3ooth Gurta Gadhi Diws of GURU is being celebrated..Gurta was given to ONLY GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI and no other boook/granth has nay equal significance especially at Hazoor Sahib where the 1708 decision by Guru Ji is being celebrated.
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Thus it would be sweet music to these peopel...IF...the Ragi and KA were to fight !!
An enemy divided is an enemy dead....
BUT imho this is NOT about to happen any time soon....the KA wrote BOOKS..and the RAGI is an ORATOR...BOTH complement each other !!! Their MESSAGE is the SAME.."SAY NO TO DSM GRANTH".

Gyani Js

Gyani ji

Thanks for this,

Thus those who "hate" kala Afghana must also hate Ragi....because they both are saying the same thing...Bachittar Natak aka dsm granth is NOT by Guru Ji and should NOT be parkash at Hazoor Sahib where the 3ooth Gurta Gadhi Diws of Guru is being celebrated.
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Back in the dusty corners of my mind I had thought that this controversy had something to do with placing Dasam Granth as parkash at an important gurdwara in India. I had a faint memory of the controversy. And could not remember who, where, when. I truly appreciate your information.

A house divided against itself shall fall. So sure there would be people who would stand by and watch the two neutralize one another. Which is bothersome to me. The message should be that Sri Dasm Granth should not be parkash with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj, now on the 300th anniversary of the Gurgaddi, or at any other time for that matter, or in any gurdwara. My opinion and I apologize for offending some.

I fully agree 110% . Why is that Dasham Granth aka Bachittar Natak is being talked of again & again . I learnt that on 300 th anniversary of Khalsa Panth in 1999 , the RSS(BJP) Govt gave 100 crores to Punjab Govt towards religious preaching with a condition attached . Out of that 100 crores , 50 crores were given to Baba Virsa Singh of Gobind Sadan Delhi , for propagating Dasham Granth . Now we all can easily make out why this controvery has started all of a sudden in last few years . The Gurudwara aad Ji mentioned was in Bhatinda district & the time was November , 2006 . Joginder Singh Vedanti then Akal Takhat jathedar presided over the installation of DSM granth parralel to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji & the day was celebrated as FATEH DIVAS . Fateh ( Victory ) by who over whom . Guess maybe Fateh of DSM granth over Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ?

Gurfateh

Respected Gyani Sahib Ji,
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Vachitar Natak Ji is the part of Dasham Patshah Ju Ka Granth.There are lies spread by leftist people about work of Tenth Master.

There are books which have proved the Kala Afghana Ji did not write any book but his name was only used as an auther.Das even knows the person who was offered to be tgiven his name as an auther.(das has cross checked by two sources).

Books by Ambala and Kala Afghana were the work of Josh.While book by Dr. Gurmukh Singh Ji is the work of Haqeem Tarseem Singh.

As they uses other person's name to write the book.So they think that some one used the name of Guru.

In Both the Takhat no book is placed equal to Bade Baba Ji(this is the name we use for Adi Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Bihar).In both Takhat's centre stage is given to the arms and weapons.Same is true with three Takhats of Punjab.OUtside Punjab on right in high and big planquine Bade Baba Ji are placed. on the left on lower and small planquine Work of Tenth Master is kept.

The link given up by das is self explantory regarding the war of words between the two.

There is a black book which is prepaired by Ragi Ji also.And Kala Afghana Ji also once went to give speach in Chandigarh,where he could not do so.

So das is aware that both have not writtan any book.Further more Ragi Ji were called at Damadam Sahib on 31st Janury this year.He did not come.

Then once his followers distrupted one preaching about Shri Dasham Granth Sahib on 15th of July.Das made them unanswerable so a lady among the crowd told that let das talk to Ragi Ji.Das said OK.She picked up her mobile but after the second thought she kept it back in her bag.

Ragi Ji's Sikh Parliament works from congress controled DSGPC office at Gurudwara Rakabganj Sahib.It was intialy having pro Kala Afghana people also with them.But later upon some idelaogical maters they got separated.
http://indiaawareness.com/archives/j...parliament.htm

Das is trying to bring the issue of spokesman where what they reported was false and das himself was the witness.Das being trained by staff some indian investigating agency could understand that this is could be a handiwork of propoganda warfare by suboridinate people.

There is pattern in time(1956Punjabi suba,1976 Emergency,1994 last leg of militancy ) and in space(Fareedabad,Lajpat Nagar,Lodhi road,Mohali,UAE,Nizamuddeen).Which is another proof of what das thinks.All things are related to people anti to Gurmat.To destroy the faith,they first declare and try to prove the Sikh thing as Hindu,then they move it on further to destroy it.
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Very same people who want to change the Sikh Rahit Maryada by removing the writing of the Tenth Master, let halal be eaten etc. give referance of the same Maryada to do this or that.

Are they ot themselves treating the Guru Granth Sahib Ji as an idol ?

We have a proverb in Hindi,Kath Ki Handi Kab Tak Charegi..Till what time these guys supported by GOI will keep on misguiding our true Welwishers of the Panth like our respected Gyani Sahib.Akal will take care of them

Gurfateh
Kindly see the link below

Zafarnamah Divas 2006 - Sri Dasam Granth Sahib


This is the lie that there was PRakash of any other book other than Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji over there in the function.Video could be seen.Futher when das saw an add in spokeman,it has picture taken from some site at Taksal and trying to prove that both the Prakash were done in there.

Das will try to bring in page the spokesman which have tried to cary out the forgery.


Likewise the controversy of Shri Dasham Granth Sahib is risen often clash with time of appearing of congress leaders during 1984 riots.


coming back to RSS links with Baba Virsa Singh Ji.Yest it is true that they have a good links.But RSS may not like his pro Muslim or pro Chrisitan things that much.His trusted lieutinent is Moti Lal Bora,who is from congress.

Gobind Sadan has nothing to do with Punjab Govt. either.But thier Baba was send to Russia once after Russians asked Punjab Govt. To let some preacher go to Russia.

I am just perplexed as to why....on one pretext or another....the same stale "arguments/newscuttings..etc etc" are REVISITED..agian and again..and again.

THIS is the 300 Saal GURU de Naal...a very very SPECIAL Yera of Celebration of the GURTA DIWAS of our One and ONLY GURU. Even wehn we attend an ordinary "birthday party" for even a small child...when everyone gathers around and begisn singing Happy birthday to You..blah blah blah..NOT a single guest will try and take the attention away from the Birthday Tot..... BUT in this 300 Saal GURU de naal..soem of us Keep on trying to raise the dsm granth controversy..kala afghana darshan singh etc etc under this pretext or that thread...so as to SIDE TRACK and DISTRACT ( at least soem readers ) AWAY from 300 Saal GURU de naal towards a BOOK.
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Its a FACT that when GURU Gobind Singh ji passed GURTA to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji at nanded in 1708 there was NO OTHER BOOK PRESENT...either as "chhotta bhai" or chhota book or whatever...either "lower" or "higher" or "in front" or at the "back....side or left or right...JUST GURU GRANTH JI ONLY to which Guru Gobind Singh Ji Matha TEK.

THATS the way it should be TODAY. ONLY and ONLY the Paraksh of our one and only GURU...the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji shoudl be Centre of our OBEISANCE at HAZOOR SAHIB. Having the paraksh of any other BOOK..be it dsm garnth or any other, parakshed lower or to the left etc etc is NOT ACCEPTABLE at all. As a Devout SIKH of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji i DONT WANT to Matha TEK to another BOOK that is placed nearby....Thus speaking only for myself..I WILL NOT go to hazoor Sahib until ONLY the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is given Prominence and due place.

Gyani JS