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Re: Re-birth of Guru Gobind Singh Ji!

This is so ridiculous. Dasam Guru sahib has bestowed Guruship on Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is already an image of Guru Gobind Singh.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversies/37805-re-birth-guru-gobind-singh-ji.html
BTW, the day Sikhs start calling a human being GURU, that would be the end of Sikhi.
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Probably sowing the seeds for "Mother of all Dehras". Pretty deep levels of mischievousness and arrogance as the Sikh Psyche continues to be mellowed down with "Waheguru Waheguru" simran nectar.
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Pretty shameful and sad. Let us see what Akal Takhat does about this!

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Re: Re-birth of Guru Gobind Singh Ji!

This is nothing new .Many times earlier such claims have been propagated.
This is a time for introspection to understand what is wrong ,how and where.
We should come out of conventional mode of understanding Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37805
There is great need to educate people for the right messages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
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This is nothing new .Many times earlier such claims have been propagated.
This is a time for introspection to understand what is wrong ,how and where.
We should come out of conventional mode of understanding Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .
There is great need to educate people for the right messages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Prakash.S.Bagga
Prakash.S.Bagga ji can you please elaborate by contrasting the following,
  • Conventional Mode of understanding Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and how it relates to this and causes what problems
  • Un-conventional Mode of understanding that you suggest and how it will work to eliminate or stop such problems from occurring
Please provide some details and specific examples not the Grammar, Joti or (Gur ... Guroo) stuff.

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LOL nvm

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Re: Re-birth of Guru Gobind Singh Ji!

This is the biggest attention seeking shosha that "Giani" Ikbal Singh Ji has ever exploded.I have been going over this sau sakhi in the British Library, there is no such thing as claimed by him on any of the pages within the book.He has done this to perhaps attract personal fame and attention as his personality has exhibited in the past an inferiority complex, when no attention is paid to him.I call upon him to prove where what he claims is said, where and what page of the book?

A number books, including most chapters of the alledged dasam granth and 'sau sakhi' owe their origins to the bhats, from Agra and other unknown writers from the vedic period.These bhats were not the ones who Guru Nanak Ji had vichar with.These were commercial bhats, some of whom were envious of the court of Guru Gobind Singh, who they met as he passed them on way to Deccan.It is alos so ironic that for a 21st century religion and thought, Sikhs are still calmouring to the dasam granth without rationality, when all Bhai Mani Singh did was collect general reading literature from various sources.Then as if to twist the good fate of the Sikh religion someone binded all that into a book and attributed it to Guru Goibind Singh Ji, and Sikhs like fools are still arguing over it, when again and again it has been proven much of the literature,93% has absolutely NOTHING to do with Guru Gobind Singh ji or his stated philosophy.But the sadh factions to keep their iron grip over the Sikh minds and souls continue tp peddle these ill stories of sex and abuse as part of the Guru's message!Just how simple minded and easily led the community is often , is unbelievable.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37805

In the sau sakhi it also says that Guru Gobind Singh Jis' eldest sahibzada baba Ajit Singh Ji was married to a Tara Bhai, of Agra!That she gave birth to a son!!!

This is in total conflict with Sikh faith and values recognised in Sikh history, as then the title of SARBANSDANI bestowed upon Guru Gobind Singh JI becomes null and void, as not the entire family becomes sacrificed!Only an anri Sikh mind can think as such.Today sadly we have many such nerds.

If we believe the SAU Sakhi that Ikbal Singh has so michieviously used to support his claim [shosha]then, the so called son of Tara Bhai,who is then the so called daughter in law of Guru Gobind Singh was not the entire part of the family balidaan that Guru Gobind Singh ji has given to the Sikh panth.That would disqualify Guru JI from being a sarbansdani!Is this even thinkable?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37805

Such "theory"also expresses the preposterous peak of lies and distortion of Sikh Guru Sahibaan as the wedding is alledgedly supposed to have taken place after the battle of Anandpur Sahib; at Agra, as he was on his way to the Decaan!No where else in the recorded annals of Sikhs references is such recorded.

Finally I shoot this theory down with the historically established and non controversial fact of Sikh history- THE AMRITPAAN OF ANANDPUR SAHIB in 1699 when the entire[ personal]family of Guru Gobind Singh Ji took amrit.

The question arises , HOW CAN Baba Ajit Singh JI marry a "TARA BHAI"who it clearly appears from the name had NOT taken amrit?She was NOT a Kaur.This sounds very much like the Niranakari poet Alam's imagination of the wild idea that Guru Gobind Singh Ji lived till in 1934 under an assumed name; that was very much floating around a few ago.


Surely if Guru Gobind Singh was to make a "reappearance"in later years, it goes totally against his bani, as miracles have no place with a GURU who asked for boon to be granted from GOD;a Guru who would have been able to perform miracles to rule over his advesaries and spare the sacrifices and torture of his own father, family and thousands of Singhs.

Finally, this melodramtic claim now clashes with Guru Gobind Singh Ji clear message, that clearly says, after he has departed from the worldly life, ONLY and only Guru GRanth sahib should be the GURU!Now surely,if he is alledgedly has "written that he will come back in 2012 - to 20 18, " would he have finalised the Sikh religion with Guru maniyo Granth?

Having the greatest ability of super natural power,Guru Gobind Singh Ji does not exhibit any and speaks with the severe humility ;-

Jo hum Ko pramesher uchre
te sabh narak kund me par he
Mo ko das tawan ka jano
ya main bhed n ranch pshano
main ho'n param purakh ka dasa
dekhan ayao jagat tamasha



He goes on with humilty, and effectivly sweetly, expressing in the most of humblest manners He says

Inn hi ki kirpa ke saje'n hai'n
nahi mo so gareeb karor parre

He was a rabbi noor, the Uplifter of the universe,the power of the suppressed people- poeple who had been suppressed for over 1000 years, still says he is but the servant of the GOD almighty.If someone salutes him with humility, he returns that salutation far more grandly when he says about Waheguru,h

hamesul salaam hai,samtul kalam hai.


Based upon the above notes, of His Majesty Guru Gobind Singh JI, does one beleive it would have been impossible for him to have said, that He will return in such a such year and continue to beleive in the AAd Granth until then ?




I dont know why "Giani" Ikbal Singh has exploded such wild and uncivilised idea and relied on such unsupported mythical stories and a book that is certainly proven to be not that of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, and certainly widely believed to have been commonly adulturated by the British colonialists with the help of uneducated and traitorous Sikhs[that we also see today who have NO iota of intelligence in the affairs of Sikh faith except to bark like dogs and issue threats].

Ikbal Singh is known to be highly ignorant of Sikhs affairs, and one that ran off when confronted by the Sikhs in Canada to asnwer charges against him;and also a highly recognised follower of the RSS, is again trying perhaps distract the Sikh unity and intention to free Gurduara Gian Godri, from the clutches of nazi hindu government of Uttranchal Pradesh where he is said to be from originally.He has been instrumental in also torpedoeing the Unity of the Akal Takhat,and Sikh Maryada although he is not the only culprit in that arena, along with others.

In my opinion the sau sakhi lying in the British Museum is of no significant historical use apart for general reading.


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People like him have no confidence and self respect. They pull these kind of stunts to make themselves feel important. Lets look on the bright side; he is old and not going to stay around for much longer to carry on making these ridiculous statements.
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People like him have no confidence and self respect. They pull these kind of stunts to make themselves feel important. Lets look on the bright side; he is old and not going to stay around for much longer to carry on making these ridiculous statements.
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SUCH donkeys are born every second...its a pipe dream to think thta once one is gone..we are free of them...there are hundreds more waiting to take his place....just see how the totally incompetent jathedars come one after the other..each successor WORSE than the one earlier one...Ranjit Singh..Pooran Singh..vedanti..gurcharan singh....each new one navehn chaand charraunn vaala hai...vaadh chaploos, vaadh yes man..vaddh everything bad..
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