Jesus for Jews ???

Hi,

I just wanted to ask a few questions some to christians...

1. Why out of all the billions of people who ever walked the earth, God only choose like what 20-25? jews as his representiteves?? Why leave the rest of the world in dark ness, why all ancient people pagan?

2. God in the bible seems to be strictly for the jews, and jesus said hes only sent to the jews, what about the rest , the majoirtiy of humans, god dont care bout us?
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3. If we take the genisis days of creation as "periods of time", are there any other scientific errors in the bible?

Thanks in advance

 
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Neutral Singh,



“1. Why out of all the billions of people who ever walked the earth, God only choose like what 20-25? jews as his representiteves?? Why leave the rest of the world in dark ness, why all ancient people pagan?“



Do you have an answer as to?

Why did God make you a man or a woman?

Why are the leaves and grass green?

Why do birds have wings and, fish have neither legs nor wings?

Why are horses bigger than dogs?

Why do we have two eyes, two ears, two hands and two legs?

Why do women give birth not men?

Etc. etc.
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Simple, because God, the Lord Almighty, decided so!



“2. God in the bible seems to be strictly for the jews, and jesus said hes only sent to the jews, what about the rest , the majoirtiy of humans, god dont care bout us?“

This is your personal understanding and your theology based on ignorance.God, in the Bible, is not for the Jews only.

God promised Abraham, “All people on earth will be blessed through you.” (Genesis 12:3)


”I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed.” (Genesis 26:4)

“The earth is the LORD's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it” (Psalm 24:1)


Jesus may have been “sent” to the Jews but he came to save all the people of the world.

“Everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:15-16)



“For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.” (John 3:17)



“I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.” (John 12:46)



“I have spoken openly to the world” (John 18:20)



“Gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations” (Matthew 24:14)


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“God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them.” (2 Corinthian 5:19)




”3. If we take the genisis days of creation as "periods of time", are there any other scientific errors in the bible?”



“God made the earth by his power; he founded the world by his wisdom and stretched out the heavens by his understanding.” (Jeremiah 10:12)



Would you be kind enough to tell me about creation according to Guru Granth Sahib which has been "approved" by science? Please enlighten me with your Guru Granth Sahib’s theory on the “periods of time.”



Rajs

I dont understand your last paragraph.

You speak as if "Creation" has been 'approved' by the Bible?

Personally,
I don't understand how someone can just believe that.
Even Guru Nanak did not believe he was a prophet or God-sent.

I dont believe in relevation, and a book telling me someone else recieved a relevation doesn't make me believe in relevations.

Dear Sikh,

If "Guru Nanak did not believe he was a prophet or God-sent" then how can you accept him as "guru" who can lead you to God?

How can someone believe that Gurus "realized" God when they never said so themselves?

How can some someone, believe someone, that someone saw "someone", stay under water for three days, when that "someone" never said so himself?
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It's get tricky, doesn't it?
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By the way, if Guru Nanak is neither "prophet or God-sent", then why do you regard him to be the founder of your "universal" religion?

Regards
Rajs

Guru simply means teacher. Your misunderstanding the term used in Sikh-context. How can you accept a teacher of mathematics to teach you math? Based up on his skill and measured degree.

Guru Nanak is different from Jesus as he was not simply "born religious/teacher/guru/prophet"...he had acquired his ability for other people to refer to him as a teacher by his actions, by his skill, and his method.

This differs from Jesus, because Jesus was born the Lord.

I can accept Guru Nanak based upon his actions and doctrines, and I assume if I follow similar actions and create a philosophy of that foundation, I will become or enter "Nirvana". See, this has NOTHING to do with simply believing that God gave relevation to someone else...because the difference is, you can BECOME IT, you CAN TRY IT. You simply do not just read that, "God chose to give relevation to someone else, and not you" This is further stated in Sikhism when Guru Gobind created the Khalsa and regarded them as HIS teachers, and became baptized from THEM.

He never stated he was the founder of Sikhism...he even said Sikhi has been before him, he was just the one that brought light to Sikhism again, and specifically to that region in the world. We regard him as the 'founder' of Sikhism, because we want to give tribute to him for changing massive lives, due to his philosophy that he re-stated.
I believe Bhagat Kabir was alive before Guru Nanak, and Bhagat Kabir is in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...Guru Nanak is just the one that brought that type of philosophy and lifestyle to extreme light, where everyone could see.

Please understand I am not trying to prove Christianity wrong, for I agree...it is an excellent path to take, and I admire all proper Christians.

I really dont believe those stories, regardless of there religious background.
I wonder how people believe those stories

-S|kH

Dear Sikh,



You say:



“Guru Nanak is different from Jesus as he was not simply "born religious/teacher/guru/prophet"...he had acquired his ability for other people to refer to him as a teacher by his actions, by his skill, and his method.”



“you can BECOME IT, you CAN TRY IT. You simply do not just read that, "God chose to give relevation to someone else, and not you" This is further stated in Sikhism when Guru Gobind created the Khalsa and regarded them as HIS teachers, and became baptized from THEM.”



“he was just the one that brought light to Sikhism again, and specifically to that region in the world. We regard him as the 'founder' of Sikhism, because we want to give tribute to him for changing massive lives, due to his philosophy that he re-stated.”
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Well, buddy, no pun intended, but all I can say is that you need serious help on your theological understanding of Sikhism. Anyway, would you kindly expound on the following:
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• How did Guru Nanak acquire his ability for other people to refer him as the teacher, i.e., which actions, what skills, and what method?
• “You can BECOME IT, you CAN TRY IT”, what exactly can you become and try what?
• Guru Gobind Singh created the Khalsa for what purpose?

Rajs

Keep the font normal...hurts the eyes.

Anyways, I'm always learning, so thanks for stating the obvious (that i should learn more).

But, let me explain what I had stated earlier :
1) How did Guru Nanak aquire his ability for others to refer to him as a teacher? - You see, he was not born prophecized, he was not born and people did not go to see him, and bow to him. He was born...an ordinary human. He aquired being labelled a teacher, when he turned 13, and started refuting his parents rituals and the rituals that he was forced to do. He started going against the normal society, and people saw this, they ridiculed him, and others praised him. Eventually this reached a regional influence where then he became known as a teacher. Its not that hard of a concept to understand. Jesus on the other hand, you have references to "baby Jesus" "prophecized birth" "the Lord"

2) I meant "you can become it" as in, you can become as spiritual as the Guru, or exceed it. You do not believe that "God ONLY gave relevation to the Gurus, and the only way out is if you believe in the Guru"..."You can become it" means...exactly that, you can try out the foundation, and if it works for you, then you've becomed it. There is nothing to believe that OTHERS HAVE RECIEVED A RELEVATION and you haven't simply because GOD CHOSE THEM AND NOT YOU. You can try it out, as in you can read their philosophy, and try out whether it works for you or not. You do not have to believe that this is the only path, and that this is the true path because God had given relevation to the "founders" of this philosophy.

3) This is answer requires alot of detail. Stay away for now.

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Now lets see the things you have underlined in my previous post,
You quoted :
"“Guru Nanak is different from Jesus as he was not simply "born religious/teacher/guru/prophet"...he had acquired his ability for other people to refer to him as a teacher by his actions, by his skill, and his method.”"

As I explained above, he was not born a teacher...through his actions, people realized a better/proper way to live their life, a way of life that they thought was better than the original...regarding this method, the followers began to refer to him as a teacher...this was through his actions, and his method of stating his philosophy.

Everything else you under-lined seems pretty self-explanatory.

I suggest you also seek help on your theological understanding of Sikhism.

-S|kH

God sent prophets with religion. So self made prophets can not be followed. T least some one should call himself prophet before following them.

My answer to the first posting on this thread is in blue:

1. Why out of all the billions of people who ever walked the earth, God only choose like what 20-25? jews as his representiteves?? Why leave the rest of the world in dark ness, why all ancient people pagan?

The Jews where chosen for a certain task, to observe the 613 Laws of Torah. Midrashim explain that the other nations were offered this responsibility first, but each nation one at a time refused, enjoying their selfish freedom. Now, this is not a historical account. It only explains how rare to find a pure nation, and the Bible explains how the Jews are also similar to the other nations of the world, they also make mistakes and become sucker to the five vices. The Bible also says that God chose them because they were the least of the peoples. The use of God's name in Gurbani stems from ancient Hebrew: "Hain, Tun hain, Tun Hovenhaar" (Existing, You are, You cause things to exist Tilang ang 723
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and also "Ho yo he hovanto" Gatha M 5 ang 1361 compare with He Bhi Sach, Hosi Bhe sach of Japuji Sahib.

2. God in the bible seems to be strictly for the jews, and jesus said hes only sent to the jews, what about the rest , the majoirtiy of humans, god dont care bout us?
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The bible is for everyone to read and benefit. Guru Granth SAhib is not just for the Punjabi pindu people, but for all people, too.

Moses and Jesus were sent for the Jews because the Jews were in a special situation, in need of a charismatic leader to promote sachiyara hoiyeh righteous living. There are accounts of Jesus and his followers helping non-Jews, as well. I do not think the Jews as a whole would have accepted a non Jew to promote this to their own people. Think about it, do you think the Catholic pope would have any affect visiting the Taliban in Pakistan? The cultures clash too much.

3. If we take the genisis days of creation as "periods of time", are there any other scientific errors in the bible?
The creation motif in Genesis was not intended as a chronological event. It's purpose was to introduce the concept of order. The style of how to Bible was written was not meant as a documentar, but as an interpretation of events which occured.

Prophets were sent not to do miracles, but to inspire the people to change their destructive ways. Predictions are mentions that point to what will happen to people if they donot respond to the grace of God, to live sincerely, etc. Prophet does not mean one who tells the future. The word "Navi" means one who delivers the wisdom of God to cause a change in attitude and action, to promote justice.

There are some contradictions in the Bible that disagree with other parts of the Bible. Some names are different in a geneology, etc. Zachariya Ben Berchia, or is it Zachariya Ben Yehoyada, the High Priest slain in the Temple? This supports the accuracy that the writer made a slightmental error confusion the name of the Priest's father, or perhaps there were two incidents, where only one was recorded in the Old Testament.

It is clear that the message in the Bible, (I realized after study of Guru Granth Sahib) that the ritual of the death of Jesus was not meant to bribe God. His death is not what saves us, but the meaning. If one believes only the Bible, then they would realize this that cruxifictions and human sacrifices do not save you. Only the grace of God. That is why Mool Mantra ends with "Gur Prasaad". All of creation and the tolerance of God happens because of Guru God's grace, patiently waiting for us to accept His divine invitation to taste His Amrit. "amrit shabad amrit Har bani"

Bible and Guru Granth Sahib were not introduced in the world as they truly are to save anyone. Their purpose is to promote education how to attain salvation.

Salvation is a gift, faith, not of works. Bible
Suniyain, dookh paap ka naas By hearing and processing Guru's wisdom, sinful habits and pains stops.