Can Sikhs respect Jesus as a good teacher as some Jews do ?

mikejohnson2006 · #1 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 10:01 AM

Can Sikhs respect Jesus as a good teacher like some Jews do ?
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mikejohnson2006 · #2 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 10:03 AM

I know that Muslims believe that Jesus is a Prophet and Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God.

Ambarsaria · #3 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 10:07 AM

Mikejohnson2006 ji Sikhism has respect for all humanity. Though importantly Sikhism does not believe in superiority of one human over another human. Wisdom in anyone is cherished in Sikhism but if it impinges on creating inequality and some fundamental tenets like only one creator that is infinite, etc., then there can be difficulties
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37737

Sat Sri Akal.

Tejwant Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 10:42 AM

Mikejohnson2006,

Welcome to the forum. I am a bit confused by your question and need some clarification from you.

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Can Sikhs respect Jesus as a good teacher like some Jews do ?

1.What do you mean by can? It implies that Sikhs do not respect Jesus which is a fallacy and against Sikh tenets. Where did you get that from?

2.What do you mean by some Jews? For Jews Jesus is not a messiah and if they believe in Jesus, then they stop being Jews but become Christians. Yes, I know you will say they call themselves Messianic Jews which is a misnomer because Jesus is not their messiah. Period.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

Tejwant Singh · #5 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mikejohnson2006

I know that Muslims believe that Jesus is a Prophet and Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God.

Sikhs do not believe in Prophets nor in any prophecies. For a Sikh, a Prophet is nothing but a snake oil salesman and prophecy is just a snake oil sales pitch.

Many Christians believe Jesus is the Father and the Son.

Exodus 3:14 - God says "I AM who I AM" - John 8:58 - Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I AM" in reference to Himself.

Isaiah 44:6 - the Lord God is the first and the last - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 - Jesus is the first and the last.

Many verses like the above can be found in the OT & the NT. It is a bit confusing. Don't you think so? The Christians can not seem to be able to make up their mind.

Hope to hear your opinion.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

BhagatSingh · #6 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 11:52 AM

A Prophet

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is an individual who is claimed to have been contacted by the supernatural or the divine, and serves as an intermediary with humanity, delivering this newfound knowledge from the supernatural entity to other people.

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In Christianity a prophet (or seer[8]) is one inspired by God through the Holy Spirit to deliver a message for a specific purpose. It is often associated with predicting future events, but in biblical terms it is wider and can include those given the power to preach repentance to those who do not want to hear the message and to warn of God's wrath for disobedience. God's calling as a prophet is not considered to elevate an individual for their glory, but for the glory of God and to turn people to him.

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In Hebrew, the word נְבִיא (navi), "spokesperson", traditionally translates as "prophet".[30] The second subdivision of the Hebrew Bible, TaNaKh (for "Torah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim"), is devoted to the Hebrew prophets. The meaning of navi is perhaps described in Deuteronomy 18:18,[31] where God said, "...and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Thus, the navi was thought to be the "mouth" of God. The root nun-vet-alef ("navi") is based on the two-letter root nun-vet which denotes hollowness or openness; to receive transcendental wisdom, one must make oneself "open". Cf. Rashbam's comment to Genesis 20:7.[32]

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The prophetic assignment is not always portrayed as positive in the Hebrew Bible,[43][44][45] and prophets were often the target of persecution and opposition.[46] God’s personal prediction to Jeremiah, "Attack you they will, overcome you they can't,"[47]

A Prophet seems to me to be the Western (Middle Eastern) equivalent of a Guru. What are your thoughts on these Tejwant Singh ji?

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Many Christians believe Jesus is the Father and the Son.

Exodus 3:14 - God says "I AM who I AM" - John 8:58 - Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I AM" in reference to Himself.

Isaiah 44:6 - the Lord God is the first and the last - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 - Jesus is the first and the last.

There is no contradiction here.

Tejwant Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 12:49 PM

Bhagat Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

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A Prophet seems to me to be the Western (Middle Eastern) equivalent of a Guru. What are your thoughts on these Tejwant Singh ji?

Please read the following thread:

Karni Nama and Raj Nama: The Sikh Book of Prophecy

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-s...sikh-book.html

Regards

Tejwant Singh

Tejwant Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 12:57 PM

Bhagat Singh ji,

Guru Fateh.

My post:

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Many Christians believe Jesus is the Father and the Son.

Exodus 3:14 - God says "I AM who I AM" - John 8:58 - Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I AM" in reference to Himself.

Isaiah 44:6 - the Lord God is the first and the last - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 - Jesus is the first and the last.

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There is no contradiction here.

Who is talking about contradictions? You seem confused. Please read what the original poster posted. For him Jesus is the son of God but the above verses prove that he claims to be The Father and The Son.

There is a common saying in the South,"If Jesus is the Father and the Son, then there must be a lot of hanky panky going on in his trailer park".

Scarlet Pimpernel · #9 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2011, 22:57 PM

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Can Sikhs respect Jesus as a good teacher

Mike Welcome, I can assure you Sikhs are instructed to and therefore must respect Holy 'men' regardless of their particular background ,I personally dorespect him and see something very special and similar in all Saints and Divine beings. I would not want anyone to say that my Guru's were not divine or true and everyone knows the Son of Man is worshipped by a billion people ,so who am I to judge his goodness, also how can I expect anyone to respect my teacher, if I'm disrespectful to their teacher,Truth is the style of Holy Men , trends and times change ,but the one who has that style never goes out of fashion.Forgive us as some of our Sikhs suffer from small man [of religion ]syndrome,our Guru's thankfully were very big 'men' and never spoke out of turn.