Karni Nama and Raj Nama: The Sikh Book of Prophecy

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The Karni Namah and the Raj Namah are two significant chapters of the Sau Sakhi, the Sikh book of prophecy. The Raj Namah appears in, The History Of The Sikhs, by J D Cunningham on p. 340. Cunningham came across this document during the mid 19th century. He states that these compositions are of course fabulous as regards Guru Nanak.

The Karni Namah was told to Qazi Rukan Din, Pir Bahaoud Din, Ghous, Kuthab, Saalaar, Hajji, Sheikh and Mushaikh Aulviya, who sat with Guru Nanak at religious discussions. The Raj Namah was told to Kaarun, on Guru Nanak’s return from medina."

Karni Nama


While Guru Nanak was in Mecca and Medina, Qazi Rukan Din asked, ?True King, tell us your prophecy again. Tell us how you will unfold the future?.
Your name is Nanak Nirankari and you are from the Nation of the Lord. What are the instructions for the future?

Nanak replied Rukan Din, listen to the true answer
Whosoever reads or listens to this shall be content. All doubts shall be removed.

In the tenth dress shall reside The Lord.

I shall fight many battles against Emperor Aurangzeb.

I shall then send a letter of victory (Zafarnamah) to Aurangzeb with my Singh (Bhai Daya Singh).

Upon seeing him, Power shall lessen and he shall forget his devious ways.

Emperor Aurangzeb will be overwhelmed by the sight of Daya Singh and will start to tremble.

The Khalsa been resurrected! Good has not been done by Gobind Singh?

I shall leave having given a kingdom; My name being Gobind

There will be a time when the Khalsa shall forget the teachings I have given them. Sikhi will only be left in name. Many Wars shall occur.

I will have to return again to resurrect the Khalsa. They shall reside in the Punjab.

I shall make people from all four corners into one.
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They will be in Majjha; They will raid Lahore.

They will bring Potohaar to justice; They will take Peshawar.

They will set up a cantonment at Attock and then open the Khyber Pass.

They will establish a kingdom in Kabul and then take Ghazni.

After bringing Hazaara to justice they will march on to Kandahar.
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After taking Balack and Buckaara, they will conquer Sindh and Baloch.

After gaining victory over these lands they shall govern all the people.

Mecca, Medina and Rome shall tremble.

They shall gain victory in battle over south and west India.

The Guru's Army shall sit at the throne of Delhi.

Umbrellas of kingship shall sway over their heads. All shall be content.

From East to West all shall be conquered. None shall challenge the Khalsa. All humanity shall become one.

In the kingdom of the True King, Satjug shall be established.

The Khalsa Panth shall rule. The arrows of death shall not touch them.

The Army of the Timeless shall grow and spread like locusts.

All shall wear vestments of blue; no one else shall be seen.

Listen Qazi Rukan Din, The Singhs shall rule.

The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more.

All shall recite the one name of the Lord. Then he shall come himself.

The untrue shall not be able to see his glory.

All humanity shall unite and he will distribute provinces.

The Earth shall give food and the mountains shall give diamonds.

Fruits of many kinds there shall be, upon the sight of the timeless.

All shall recite VAHEGURU and achieve salvation.

Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish.

The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man).

He will make all utter VAHEGURU. All Singhs shall flock under his banner.

All shall know him as the True One. He will sit at the throne of Delhi.

He will establish a kingdom of peace and no enemies will remain.

Wherever the Khalsa turns his eye, the 14 realms shall tremble.

For 14,000 years, this kingdom shall remain.

Wealth will be collected and food shall be distributed.

The naked and the starving shall all receive; no one will go without.

Sayeth Nanak, Rukan Din, This is how it shall be.

Whosoever reads the Karni Namah, his love with The Lord shall grow.

The Word of the Timeless shall prevail. Those uttering falsehood shall not remain.

After the effect of The Akaal, forests, mountains and the world shall see salvation.

The Khalsa shall Rule. There will be no-one left to oppose them.

All who are lost shall gain the safety of the Khalsa



Raj Nama


Spoken by the First Master

First, Nanak went to Mecca;

Medina he afterwards visited.

The lord of Mecca and Medina,

Kaarun, he made his disciple.

When Nanak was about to depart,

Kaarun, the fortunate, thus spoke:

Now thou art about to go,

But when wilt thou return?

Then the Guru thus answered:

When I put on my tenth dress

I shall be called Gobind Singh;

Then shall all Singhs wear their hair;

They shall accept the 'Pahal' of the two-edged Sword

Then shall the Khalsa be established;

Then shall men exclaim 'Vaheguru'

The four races shall become one and the same;

The five weapons shall be worn by all.

In Kalyug they shall array themselves in vestments of blue;

The name of the Khalsa shall be everywhere.

In the time of Aurangzeb

The wondrous Khalsa shall arise.

Then shall battles be waged,

Endless war shall ensue,

And fighting shall follow year after year.

They shall place the name of Gobind Singh in their hearts.

When many heads shall be rendered up,

The Empire of the Khalsa shall prevail.

First, they shall conquer Punjab;

Then other countries shall be theirs;

Hindustan and the North shall be possessed by them;

Then the west shall bow to them.

When they enter Khorasan,

Kabul and Kandahar shall lie low.

When Iran has been laid prostrate,

Arabia shall be conquered and they shall march on to Mecca.

Mecca shall be beheld,

And Medina shall be seized.

Mighty shall be the rejoicing,

And all shall exclaim 'Vaheguru'.

Unbelievers shall everywhere be destroyed;

The holy Khalsa shall be exalted.

Beasts and Birds shall tremble in the presence of the Lord.

Men and Women shall everywhere call on God.

The Earth, the Oceans and the Heavens shall call on God.

By calling on the Guru shall men be blessed.

Every faith shall become of the Khalsa;

No other religion will remain.

'Vaheguru' shall everywhere be repeated,

And pain and trouble shall depart.

In the Kalyug shall the Kingdom be established,

Which Nanak received from the Lord.

Worthless, I fall before God;

Nanak, the slave, cannot comprehend the ways of the Lord.

Thus replied Nanak to Kaarun's question.


Footnote:

"Note the couplets " I shall return to reserect the Khalsa", "All shall wear vestments of blue", "All Sikhs shall flock under his banner." These statements do not hang well with these sects. Their 'Guru' has not reserected the Khalsa so it follows that any second coming of Guru Gobind Singh Ji is yet to come. All shall wear blue, this is one of the colours of the Khalsa, most sects wear white. All Sikhs shall frock under his banner, most Sikhs reject these sects so it cannot be talking about them."

 
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Thank You for posting this.In Assa-di-Vaar, the following words "Neel Bastar Ley Kaprey Pahrey, Turk Pathani Amal Kiya." - meaning that people started wearing blue clothes and started following the ways of the Turks. It clearly denotes that the blue garments were worn by the Muslims.
Dhillvan is a village located near Kot Kapura. When Guru Gobind Singh went to that village he came to know that a large number of Sodhis of the family of Kaul Ji, who was descendent of Prithi Chand, the eldest brother of his great grandfather (Guru Arjan Dev), had settled there. Kaul Ji had four sons, Satta Nand, Har Nand, Amrik Rai and Banwali. Banwali's son, Abhai Ram, was very virtuous. He too had four sons, Sri Ram, Praja Pat, Sri Ram Kuar and Jaspat. On hearing about the Guru's arrival in their village, they all came to see him, along with Kaul Ji. Thc Guru welcomed them and met them with open arms.
Kaul Ji expressed sorrow at the destruction of the city of Anandpur and the martyrdom of the Guru's four sons. He also enquired about Kapura's welfare as he was Kaul Ji's follower. The Guru told him all what had transpired at Kot Kapura and said, "Kapura, who is an agent and a sycophant of the Mughals, had been virtually rooted out"
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. Kaul Ji: "But he is my follower and his roots are in my belly. Whoever wants to destroy him will first have to tear my belly". Guru Ji replied "Kaul Ji, if he is after tearing your belly, you yourself will be eager to destroy him."
This conversation filled Kaul Ji with anxiety as he knew that Guru Ji's words, like Lord Rama's arrows, were bound to hit the target. He did not pursue this point further and went home, along with his family, in a subdued and sorrow-ful mood. He spent whole of the night in anxiety. On the following day, after completing his morning prayers, he came again and presented to the Guru a set of new white dress. He asked the Guru to give up wearing blue-coloured clothes and change over to white. The Guru agreed. He tore off the blue clothes bit by bit and threw the pieces in the fire lit up in front of him, in the presence of Kaul Ji.
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In the sixty first sakhi of the Sau Sakhi, there is this episode about Kalyuga meeting with Guru Nanak, which is as under:-
"Once early in the morning Kaliyuga manifested himself far away from the city, in a terrible form for the sight of Guru Nanak (as recorded in the Janam Sakhi). He had his naked organ of procreation in one hand and the tasteful tongue in the other; he had blue garments on his body."

'Nil bastar le kapre phare; Turk Pathani amal gaya. (I have torn the blue clothes which I wore; the rule of the Turks and Pathans is at an end.)

1. This doesnt portray Guru nanak Correctly

2. Prophecy is NOT a part of Gurmatt..becasue this interferes with His HUKM - no matter what its HE who decides ultimatley what will happen..and He can change His Mind at the last split second..so NOTHING is for certain..its ALL in HIS MIND only..NO one else KNOWS.

3. These words cannot be spoken by Guru nanak Ji because whatever He "spoke" was Khasam ki Bani...and that is recorded in the AAD Granth (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) by Guru Arjen Ji Sahib. IF these words were indeed spoken by Guru nank ji sahib..they would have been recorded in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

4. The authorship of this poem is UNKNOWN. No certification by Bhai Gurdass Ji, the well known Historian who wrote the Vaars describing Guru nanak Jis journeys and travels and this is not mentioned in his vaars or wriitngs.

5. The Poem looks like the well crafted "backward" plots used by most novelists. This techniqie is when a writer wants to spin a tall tale (fiction) he actually BEGINS at the END...and works BACKWARD to the beginning. All his readers will begin reading form the START (naturally)...and as the tale unfolds..will discover certian clues etc..BUT the author has all this sorted out well before hand.

6. NOTICE the ANTI-MUSLIM BIAS stands out like a SORE THUMB. Typical of the work of writers who had an ANTI-MUSLIM streak. This goes very much AGAINST GURMATT (universal religion), the PRACTISE of the GURUS in real Life as we can see form AUTHENTIC SIKH HISTORY. Guru nanak ji went to Mecca, Medina, into Mosques to Pray witht he Muslims, Guru nanank ji had much to advise the Muslims about their religion,..
The succeeding GURUS had very very good and cloise relations with many Muslims..Mian Mir, paindeh Khan, Syeds and all....the Fantastic relationship Guru Gobind Singh Ji had with Pir Budhu Shah is LEGENDARY - Pir martyred 700 of his MUSLIM MUREEDS and His FOUR SONS fighting FOR Guru Gobind Singh Ji AGAINST FELLOW MUSLIMS in the battle of Bhnagganni ( This battle is completley wiped out of the natak that is suppsoedly Guru Jis AUTOBIOGRAPHY - solid proof that the natak was penned by an anti-muslim writer out to WHITEWASH this episode of Sikh UNIVERSALITY BROTHERHOOD and sarbatt da Bhalla).
Quote: The Unholy Sheikhs shall be destroyed. Pirs and Mureeds shall be no more.
Many Dharamsalas (places of discussion) shall exist. The Koran and the Mosques shall vanish.
No other religion will remain-

a)When Guru Teg bahdur Ji was brought before Aurengzeb, the Emperor told Guru ji..Its my wish that ONLY ONE RELIGION- ISLAM.. remain. Guru ji told him...You are WRONG...Now there are TWO religions..Hindu and Islam..SOON there will be THREE..the KHALSA !! Guru teg bahadur Ji Gave His HEAD for the Right of HINDUISM to survive...and here its Guru nanak ji being made to say that.."there will be only ONE religion" (KHALSA..the exact haumaii filled boast of Aurengzeb ??) what a travesty of TRUTH and History. Negates the supreme sacrifice of Guru Teg bahadur Ji.
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b) WHY should the KORAN and the MOSQUES VANISH ?? arent they places dedicated to GOD ?? WHY did GURU HARGOBIND SAHIB JI BUILD a MOSQUE ?? Apart form the Supreme sacrifice of Guru Teg bahdur Ji for HINDUISM's Rights...the Mosque constructed by Guru hargobind Ji is another solid PROOF of the Universality and Brotherhood the House of nanak Practises....the Guru Ki Maseet still stands TODAY !! Would Guru nanak Ji really predict that a Mosque that the Sixth Guru BUILT woudl be "destroyed" ??? why build it then ??

7. Notice Guru nanak Ji "predicts" the establishemnt of DHARAMSHALAS..but the writer forgot to mention that it was GURDWARAS that came to be established ( in the time that is prophecised). The Khalsa never called its places of worship dharamshalas..only used this term in Guru nanak jis time...

8. The Line..I SHALL RETURN is a direct affront ot the Gurgadee of Sahib Sri Guru Granth sahib ji....Guru Gobind Singh ji could have very well chosen an able lving successor (His four SONS among the many choices ) IF He had so desired..BUT He DIDNT. He passed on the Gadee of the House of nanak to the GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI. This "line" presumes to make a JUDGEMENT that the GURU GRANTH JI is NOT sarab kala smarath..not Sampooran..somehow LACKING..not enough...to Provide LEADERSHIP to the Guru Khalsa Panth and that a RETURN of Guru Gobind Singh Ji is required and necessary. This is an INSIDIOUS fake assumption which is enough to throw this entire document in the rubbish bin.

9. This RETURN..is a popular "idea" with many religions...the SECOND COMING !! Actually all this is a PSYCHOLOGICAL NECESSITY of some who just cannot...LET GO..and conclude..My Work is DONE. On a lesser level we have among us..many who " resign"..and then work ..behind the scenes..trying to influence..play politics...In reality...MOST of US..dont take lightly to the IDEA that our "time is UP...DEATH is here..we have to wrap up and GO....that is WHY the FEAR OF DEATH is as universal and strong...almost 99.9% of Humans GO DRAGGING THEIR FEET..none ever goes willingly...and THIS SECOND COMING is an "extension" whereby creative minds give VENT to their own FRUSTRATIONS at having to GO..when the FINAL CALL COMES !! We just cannot ACCEPT thats its all over..FINIS...so we Imagine..we FICTIONALISE..we FANTASISE...and this results in this....prophecies..second comings ( to really FINISH..whats left off UNFINISHED !! Ha Ha..what proof that the so called "second coming" will be really FINAL..will really COMPLETE everything??? Why Not THIRD COMING...FOURTH COMING..FIFTH ??? The JEWS are waiting for a Messiah..the Muslims have sects that REFUSE to accept the FINALITY of Prophet Muhammad and have been "giving birth" to many messiahs as well...the Namdharees as a sect in Sikhism also gave vent to this Messiah idea to Move forward their own Living GURU...and thus Sought to DENY the Gadee of GURU GRANTH SAHIB ji as FINAL.

10. ALL others just had ONE HUMAN LIFE TIME to do waht thye came to do...Sikhism is truly UNIQUE...in that we had 10 LIFETIMES....to complete the JOB...and then we have a TRULY ETERNAL GURU...the Guru Granth sahib Ji...with this 239 YEAR PROJECT and ETERNAL GURU..who needs a "second coming " ????

11. The First few lines are about Guru Gobind Singh Ji...then He "leaves".
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The next lines are all about Banda Singh bahadurs time and Maharaja ranjit Singhs time...those about Hazarra (conqered by hari Singh nalwa for Ranjit Singh) Sindh, Baloch..Cantonment at Attock etc etc.

11. Quote: The Lord shall manifest himself in body (as man).

This is the MOST anti-Gurmatt line of all...The CREATOR NEVER comes in the body of man...is NEVER BORN is the central philsophy of the Gurbani repeated so many times in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Guru Gobind Singh Ji has said so clearly as well.
This is a HINDU IDEA..idea of AVATAARISM....not Gurmatt sanctioned at all.

Extra note:
Veer Bahadur Singh Ji in hsi post above has made a huge error (inadvertent or not i give him the benfit of the doubt).

In the beginning of the post he gives the CORRECT line form Aasa Ki vaar..as :
"Neel Bastar Ley Kaprey Pahrey, Turk Pathani Amal Kiya.

BUT in the concluding lines..he gives a wrong quote:

'Nil bastar le kapre phare; Turk Pathani amal gaya. (I have torn the blue clothes which I wore; the rule of the Turks and Pathans is at an end.)

The First quote: Guru nanak Ji is mentioning the Prevalent corruption/advocacy of the Invader/ruler/ that the Priests/brahmins/etc etc ADOPTED to GAIN ACCEPTANCE in the eyes of the RULERS. This acceptance is a sign of Moral DECADENCE..sell out. Guru nanak ji says derisively..Look at these Frauds..they wear Blue clothes ( traditional Hindu/Brahmin colour is Saffron/white)..they follow the ways and customs of the TURK..the Pathans...the Invaders...in other lines Guru ji tells us how these frauds also discarded their LABGUAGE and adopted the invaders language..etc etc..
The WORDS - PEHREY..meaning WEAR....and AMAL KIYA..is FOLLOW..ADOPTED.

2. In the Concluding Quote the KEY words have been CHANGED:
Pehrey (wear) to PHAREH (TEAR..as in torn to bits )..and Amal KIYA (adopted ways) to GAYA...Come to an END !! And this Changed version is in BOLD and Highlighted in RED.

3. After CHANGING the words of Asa Ki vaar..the ENGLISH translation then "FITS" the Sau Sakhi version of events !!! I leave the readers to judge for themsleves.

I apologise in advance if i have somehow misread Bahadur Singhs post...i welcome an explanation.

This post is an OFF the CUFF posting...i will add more as soon as i return from Gurdawra ..as today is Sunday..and this is the day i go to local Gurdwara for some spiritual food.

The BLUE colour used to be more universal than is now....all paintings of Guru Gobind Singh Ji and the Panj Piayare at vasakhi 1699 usually show them all wearing BLUE Bannas. The Nihungs almost always all wear BLUE Bannas and Dastaars.
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When I was younger..early 50's most GURDWARA NISHAN SAHIBS used to be BLUE with BLACK KHANDA/Chakr in the middle....

After 1947..when SAFFRONISATION began in earnest...the BLUE has almost disappeared except in NIHUNG Jathebandis..and some AKJ/Taksali deras.One almost NEVER sees a BLUE Nishan Sahib..and the Panj in Nagar Kirtans prades etc are almost ALWAYS in SAFFRON. SIROPAS etc are also 100% SAFFRON...never a blue one !!

The SRM mandates a UNIQUE SIKH COLOUR which is NOT "SAFFRON/DARK ORANGE" borrowed form the HINDUS. The SRM mandates a BLUE surmaii and or Xynthia (YELLOWISH/orangish colour)
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The nanksari deras and Namdharees and radha Soamis always prefer WHITE.

Narayanjot ji,

Guru fateh.

Thanks for asking these wonderfully put inquisitive questions.

As mentioned many times before that Prophets are nothing but snake oil salesmen, the so called palm readers with the aura and smoke screen of spiritual incense.
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Sikhi has nothing to do with either the prophets or their prophecies as many dogmatic religions dwell in.

Pragmatism, which Sikhi is based on does not have any room for the prophets nor for the prophecies.

This is the reason Guru Nanak gave us 3 rules of thumb as our GPS to lead a life of a house holder, the three bricks for the foundation of the home of Miri-Piri.

1. Naam Japnah- Understanding and using Gurbani as the tool box to construct a positive life that can make a difference.

2. Kirat Karni- Using the tools from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to have a work plan as a true student from the very young age. Studying hard and diligently and honestly- no cheat sheets preparations- and as an older student of life, working in an honest manner to make a living.

3. Vand kei Chaknah- Only Ik Ong Kaar gives. A Sikh has no capacity to do so. So by having reaped the fruits by sowing the seeds with the above two, a Sikh starts sharing with others. As a student at a school or in a college, helping others who need help like tutoring and other things and as a student of life, helping anyone who needs a hand in anyway or form, irrespective of their hue,creed of faith.

Who needs prophets or prophecies after this?
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Lastly, Gyani ji has rightfully pointed out the trickery used above to make Sikhi a blind faith which it is not because blind faiths make people blind without the knowledge of braille to read through it.

That is why for me, Sikhi is neither a belief system nor a faith but a way of life which needs no prophets, no prophecies but a Guru to show us the WAY. And we have Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji now, our only Guru, our only Guide, our only GPS.

Tejwant Singh

Tejwant ji

Thank you for your kind words, but more importantly for your succinct and powerful lesson in how to be a Sikh. Nothing can be more than the 3 keys to our faith,
1. Naam Japna.
2. Kirat Karni
3. Vand kei Chakna

It continually perplexes me that some among us believe that we need more and start searching beyond Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for that extra rationalization.

For the record - There was some behind the scenes editing when this thread was started. I posted for Gyani ji who was busy, with the understanding that later the thread would be posted under his name. Gyani was able to come back online later, at which time I changed the poster's name to his name from my name, I also deleted the questions you are referring to. Now I can only remember 2 of them. Is there a place for prophecy in Sikhism? Would Guru Nanak have uttered the words in Karni Nama and Raj Nama. There was a 3rd questions, now lost. I also asked a follow-up about blue garments. Sorry for any confusion. Sometimes I do upload for other people.

'Nil bastar le kapre pahire Turk Pathani amal kiya'.(The Turks an Pathans put on blue clothes and reigned.) THIS IS WRITTEN IN ASA DI VAAR.

According to Historical Text Guru Gobind Singh ji did say

'Nil bastar le kapre phare; Turk Pathani amal gaya. (I have torn the blue clothes which I wore; the rule of the Turks and Pathans is at an end.) To Kaul Ji

The Guru meant the alteration as a curse on the Turks and Pathans. It was deemed an impious act to alter any part of the Granth Sahib. This the Guru did not deny, but said he hoped that the murder of his father and of his own children and the grievous sufferings of his Sikhs were a sufficient atonement. A piece of his blue clothes which the Guru did not consign to the fire he preserved in memory of his troubles. It is said to have subsequently suggested the blue dress of the Akalis or Nihangs. The Bastar that Guru Ji was wearing and later torn was Surmai (A Mixture of Blue and Black)
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Sorry for any confusion.

Coming back to the Karni Namah and Raj Namah i do believe Satyug is coming soon and Sikhi Maryada, and Satguru ji shall be recognized and truthfully followed by everyone.

Gurfateh Ji

For the benefit of readers, you would like to name that "Historical Text" & also written by whom?

Thank you!

The Text this is written is in "The Sikh Religion" by Max Arthur Macauliffe