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Well, for an introduction, I am a student of computer sciences in punjab.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/atheism/35674-live-free.html
Right from my childhood, i have been taught by parents about sikhism and stuff about it. Over the years, many incidents and learnings have made me sure of the fact that religion is pointless to say the least.

Since last couple of years i have learnt about some other religions, seen documentaries on atheism and read excerpts from the satanic bible.
All i believe is religious organizations thrive on the fact that people have a fear of the unknown and they need a hope rather faith in this case to solve their problems.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=35674

They do not see the point in living according to will. My parents hardly have a clue about me being an atheist and i have not tried to tell them as it would lead to hurting them but i respect them and am following some sikh stuff as much as i can bear.

I just joined this network for this cause, to let everyone be aware that there is no god looking at you from up there wanting you to chant his name everytime you do some sin. Just be morally justified and do what suits you or you feel comfortable with just until it doesn't hurt others.

- Free From Chaos

 
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Hi Free Fromn Chaos Ji, welcome to the forum.

I'm glad you seem to have found your spiritual place in the world but sad also that the beauty of Sikhi isn't visible to you. Each to their own.

I find it interesting you mention the Satanic Bible -- why? It is as religious as any other bible (I've read it). Is it relevant to your atheism? Or did you mention it for shock value?

You are right in that most people have fear of the unknown, and faith helps them deal with that. Fear of the unknown, in my opinion, would have been an important aid for evolving humans to have. You can see the development of religion if you trace history and the earliest religions are BASED on fear of the unknown - fear that you won't slay the antelope vital for your food so you perform rituals to the God of the Hunt for a successful endeavour. Then with the birth of agriculture you see a further development in religion, it's become more complex mirroring the society of the time, and now rituals are held to the gods of rain and fertility (mm, sex magic! haha).

My view is that religion hasn't stopped evolving. Sikhi, being one of the world's youngest religions, is an evolution. That's not to say the older religions have no value, however Sikhi is not based on fear and sin as most of the others are. That would become evident to you if you took the time to study it independently and with an open mind.

Most of us joined this network for the Sikh cause, so we're pretty sold on the concept of Waheguru.

I would agree with your statement "there is no god looking at your from up there wanting you to chant his name" because that is not the Sikh understanding of God. If you think it is, then you don't understand Sikhism and I recommend exploring some of the links available in the 'New to Sikhism' part of the forum.

I'm saddened by your remark "wanting you to chant his name evertime you do some sin" because sin is also not a concept found in Sikhi. This is basic stuff and you should know it before coming to a Sikh forum and declaring we've got it wrong. That's like me going to an architect conference and telling them all they can't build anything because their square-rulers are not calibrated at 90 degree angles.

I tell you that there is nothing like computer science. Now would you leave your college or course? No, you would continue on what you are leaning to realize Truth yourself.

If you would have given this time of yours to Guru Granth Sahib, you might have got some insight.

I am glad to know you are free of such fear!

Whose will? You yourself are living according to your parent's will? You are full of falsehood.

You are correct. I support your cause. God is not sitting up in the sky. He is in every quantum of space. He does not know no sin. God has not asked but I want to chant His Name and thank him every moment for the life he has given me, my parents and my friends. I wish I can be morally correct all the time and don't hurt others.

@Ishna
First of all, yes the satanic bible is relevant to atheism as it does not tell you to do the so called "simran" and stuff. Just live free and obey the following basic rules of humanity:
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

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Yes i mentioned looking from up there and thats because every early religion used this version and all thanks to you, sikhi is an evolved version. And yes i agree with you on atleast one point, you're sold on the concept of waheguru.
And what are you talking about? No concept of sin in sikhism? Then what do you call a person killing people on the streets?
I doubt that sikhism doesn't classify that as a grave sin.

admin note: The Judaeo Christian concept of sin is not part of Sikhi.


@Kanwaljit Singh
Im not surprised with you aggressively protecting the faith after seeing your picture that portrays a blurred nihang. I can remember a person wearing the dress, trying to separate the country, taking the holy scripture in hand and blaming the government for stereotyping.

And wow that was so intelligent, "computer science doesn't exist", i am again not surprised with it. Believers have such an extraordinary sense of logic.
Deleted an insulting innuendo directed at another forum member. I know its there. It is not based on some things someone said and told you to believe. It actually is tangible.

I am kind of wondering why i didn't give more time to other scriptures like biographies of very successful people who are not blinded by faith.

I am very sorry to disappoint you but yes, i do not know of any fear.

Yeah, that's what you do, find an ambiguity in people words. You know what, you gotta give priorities to people who care for you. I completely disagree to the 'Moh' fact that you should not give priority to human relationships over god. You know what that makes you? Self-indulgent!

Guess what, surprise, he did ask you, Deleted a statement that undermines the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji on a Sikh forum.


And please, only some logical people reply to the thread. Admin note: Anyone may reply to the thread who observes TOS and is a forum member. I want some atheists to come forward and discuss their views on atheism :

"If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people"
-House

On a second thought Mr spnadmin, why don't you come forward instead of appreciating others?
Or you could simply block me and put my username on that wall of shame...like its broadcasted worldwide.

-Free From Chaos

Free From Chaos ji

If you would like me to block you that certainly can be arranged. It goes along with something you posted: "relieving" a person of a burden if he "cries out to be relieved." I am however sorry that you have burdened yourself with so much anger. That I cannot help you with. Until you are ready and want to be relieved of it.

Here is something I agree with. Much like our TOS

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3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

Right now you are here, the lair is, Sikh Philosophy Network.

As for

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On a second thought Mr spnadmin, why don't you come forward instead of appreciating others? Or you could simply block me and put my username on that wall of shame...like its broadcasted worldwide.

So far I have had no reason to block you. Though I will shortly be deleting some of your comments. Keep in mind that you need to discuss issues not personalities. Everyone needs to remember, not just you, that membership at SPN does not mean we are providing you with a soapbox to peddle one's rants worldwide.

As for coming forward...a person has to get up early in the morning to match me in a discussion about atheism. After all, I have been at the religion thing longer than most SPN members. I can argue either way. At this time I decline the invitation.

FFC ji, it appears you've traded one set of religious rules for another.

Then perhaps you should be visiting here: http://community.beliefnet.com/go/fo...r_Philosophies because it seems strange to go to a religious forum to discuss non-religion. That's like going to the chocolate factory and asking for mince meat.

And since you don't appear to want to discuss atheism with relation to Sikhism with any modicum of respect, I'm going to take my leave of this thread.

Good luck to you.

Just my 2 cents as a fellow atheist. But ditto on the whole satanic bible thing, you just traded one set of pointless religious rules for another.

Its not a blurred Nihang, but a blurred me. You know think 'someone' was trying to separate the country? Did he personally suggest that to you? How do you know someone who died probably before you were born? And the way you talk about my dress, shows that you too are full of stereotyping.

I am myself doing Masters in Computer Science from September :P but the comment I made, was just to tell you, that a 30 yr old person can not convince people to give up religion whose faithfuls have been there for 500 years.

Let's see if that helps you in life.

You will not go untested !

Believing in God means destroying the notion of Self, so how can one be self indulgent?

You didn't clear that in the first post so I replied.

You don't believe in God. I believe in God. Why would you want to impose your reasoning on others, no matter how perfect it is? If you had been happy as an atheist, you would be sitting on a chair, cooling under a fan, reading news and enjoying your tea. But do you realize what you are doing?

Dear FFC,


I am not a Sikh, but come from a Buddhist understanding. As you know in Buddhism, there is no concept of God, but of course this does not make Buddhists atheists. I am guessing however, that you have issues with Buddhism as well, so I would like to discuss this with you. If you agree, please state what your concerns are.

And although I suggest that we do not bring Sikhism into our discussion, I expect that by the time we finish, you'd not have such a negative impression about it as you do now.

Thanks in advance.