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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 93750" data-attributes="member: 138"><p><strong>Re: Gurbani Contemplation - Selok Bhagat Kabir Ji</strong></p><p></p><p>Pk70 ji,</p><p></p><p>Guru Fateh.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for your response. Let's agree to disagree without being disagreeable <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: green"></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: green"></span></strong></p><p> I did not say “I feel sorry”. I said," I am sorry". I think the difference lies in where at and how each of us got our English skills. You also must have noticed that I never said my name was Tajinder Singh but Tejwant Singh. I presume it is an oversight which happens. I just expressed my desire to address you by your name not by some alphabets, but if you insist, I have no problems with that.</p><p></p><p>I think you misunderstood what I said. I did not accuse anyone of using Manmat nor did I question anyone of using it. We are in a forum where I feel the need to remind myself of not using it hence I used the term 'WE" as Sikhs. </p><p></p><p>Our Gurus never asked us to idolise them nor did they try to create any kind of superiority complex between them and the Sikhs. That is the reason there is no hierarchy in Sikhi. If there were then Siri Chand would have been our Second Guru rather than Guru Angad and Prithvi Chand are Fifth rather than Guru Arjan.</p><p></p><p>When <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank">Guru Nanak</a> says in Japji ,' Sabh gun terei, mein nahin koi, vin gun kitei Bhagat Nan hoi". He was talking about all of us, not just about himself.</p><p></p><p>When Guru Gobiind Sngh took Khandei de pahul from the Panj Piayras, he showed us equality of all. He lowered himself to our level to pick us up to his.</p><p></p><p>With a lead pencil one can draw like Leonardo Da Vinci or kill someone. It is the same energy. It just depends how we utilise lt. Gurbani acts like the catalyst for us so that we can channelise our energy in the right ( Gurmat )way. It teaches us to become Leonardos or better to become Nanaks.</p><p></p><p>Sikhi is all about learning and learning is a challenge. So I disagree with your above premise/statement. We are all capable of emulating and becoming Nanak.</p><p> </p><p> Pardon my ignorance. I have no idea what you are talking about here. Can you please elaborate it in lay man’s terms so I can get it?</p><p> </p><p> I said:</p><p> {Hence, I use disagreement as a learning tool.}</p><p> </p><p> Your response:</p><p>Once again I do not understand what you are trying to say here. I have no problems if people make assumptions as some logical conclusions. I do not find anything wrong with that. We all make assumptions based on our knowledge which in my opinion is o.k. If you refrain from it as you said you do, which is fine with me.</p><p> </p><p> Well, again we disagree, which is o.k. In my opinion it is important to know about Kabir’s life and the environment he was raised in.</p><p> </p><p> Well, this is the way I see the Salok for the reason I explained about repetition, it is fine with me if you see it differently. This is the beauty of Gurmat learning.</p><p> </p><p> Well, Facts are facts. In my opinion we can not run away from them nor shall we avoid them or ignore them. Present customs in Hinduism are the proofs of those facts that were also practiced then. And Kabir did mention the 5 negative forces in the previous Salok so according to me a great poet like Kabir would not repeat the same thing twice just by changing sons to sons and daughters in the next line. That is the beauty of his poetry. Again we disagree on this.Nothing wrong with that.</p><p> </p><p> Once again, we see the same poetry from a different angle when we change it into prose. Nothing wrong with that according to me.</p><p> </p><p> I said,: {Thanks for sharing your understanding this time. I do appreciate that}</p><p> </p><p> Your response:</p><p> It is interesting to notice that you claim to know more about me than myself. It is quite presumptuous of you to say the least. I think it is important from the Gurmat value system to give the benefit of the doubt to others rather than playing them or pretending to know more about them than themselves.</p><p> </p><p> As mentioned before my name is not Tajinder Singh as you may have noticed. I am not offended by it.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p> You seem a bit offended which is not my intention. If it is your presumption or imagination that I am zigzagging all over then I am sorry to have given that impression.</p><p></p><p> That is your outlook not mine. As I mentioned before we see the same Salok a bit differently this may cause a disagreement which is not a bad thing in my opinion.</p><p> </p><p> Once again, you seem angry and upset and claiming what I am saying is untrue. You seem to have a trust problem. It seems you do not believe in others’ words. I am not here to change your thought process. If this is the way you think about others and do not allow yourself to give them the benefit of the doubt then I can not help you nor can I force you in doing so. I have no intention to offend you or anyone in this forum. I am here to interact and learn.</p><p> </p><p> I said:</p><p> </p><p> {Enough said about these Saloks. Now please share with us your Gurmat wisdom and insights regarding other Saloks that Namjap- Santokh Singh has posted.</p><p></p><p>I know I am eagerly waiting for yours perspective. As mentioned before I enjoy your angle of the Gurmat prism.}</p><p> </p><p> Your response:</p><p>If I am not mistaken, he asked all of us discuss those saloks and as I said before, I enjoy your interpretations although at times we may disagree which is a great learning process for me.</p><p> </p><p> Thanks and Regards</p><p> </p><p> Tejwant Singh Not Tajinder Singh <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 93750, member: 138"] [b]Re: Gurbani Contemplation - Selok Bhagat Kabir Ji[/b] Pk70 ji, Guru Fateh. Thanks for your response. Let's agree to disagree without being disagreeable :-) [B][COLOR=green] [/COLOR][/B] I did not say “I feel sorry”. I said," I am sorry". I think the difference lies in where at and how each of us got our English skills. You also must have noticed that I never said my name was Tajinder Singh but Tejwant Singh. I presume it is an oversight which happens. I just expressed my desire to address you by your name not by some alphabets, but if you insist, I have no problems with that. I think you misunderstood what I said. I did not accuse anyone of using Manmat nor did I question anyone of using it. We are in a forum where I feel the need to remind myself of not using it hence I used the term 'WE" as Sikhs. Our Gurus never asked us to idolise them nor did they try to create any kind of superiority complex between them and the Sikhs. That is the reason there is no hierarchy in Sikhi. If there were then Siri Chand would have been our Second Guru rather than Guru Angad and Prithvi Chand are Fifth rather than Guru Arjan. When [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"]Guru Nanak[/URL] says in Japji ,' Sabh gun terei, mein nahin koi, vin gun kitei Bhagat Nan hoi". He was talking about all of us, not just about himself. When Guru Gobiind Sngh took Khandei de pahul from the Panj Piayras, he showed us equality of all. He lowered himself to our level to pick us up to his. With a lead pencil one can draw like Leonardo Da Vinci or kill someone. It is the same energy. It just depends how we utilise lt. Gurbani acts like the catalyst for us so that we can channelise our energy in the right ( Gurmat )way. It teaches us to become Leonardos or better to become Nanaks. Sikhi is all about learning and learning is a challenge. So I disagree with your above premise/statement. We are all capable of emulating and becoming Nanak. Pardon my ignorance. I have no idea what you are talking about here. Can you please elaborate it in lay man’s terms so I can get it? I said: {Hence, I use disagreement as a learning tool.} Your response: Once again I do not understand what you are trying to say here. I have no problems if people make assumptions as some logical conclusions. I do not find anything wrong with that. We all make assumptions based on our knowledge which in my opinion is o.k. If you refrain from it as you said you do, which is fine with me. Well, again we disagree, which is o.k. In my opinion it is important to know about Kabir’s life and the environment he was raised in. Well, this is the way I see the Salok for the reason I explained about repetition, it is fine with me if you see it differently. This is the beauty of Gurmat learning. Well, Facts are facts. In my opinion we can not run away from them nor shall we avoid them or ignore them. Present customs in Hinduism are the proofs of those facts that were also practiced then. And Kabir did mention the 5 negative forces in the previous Salok so according to me a great poet like Kabir would not repeat the same thing twice just by changing sons to sons and daughters in the next line. That is the beauty of his poetry. Again we disagree on this.Nothing wrong with that. Once again, we see the same poetry from a different angle when we change it into prose. Nothing wrong with that according to me. I said,: {Thanks for sharing your understanding this time. I do appreciate that} Your response: It is interesting to notice that you claim to know more about me than myself. It is quite presumptuous of you to say the least. I think it is important from the Gurmat value system to give the benefit of the doubt to others rather than playing them or pretending to know more about them than themselves. As mentioned before my name is not Tajinder Singh as you may have noticed. I am not offended by it.:-) You seem a bit offended which is not my intention. If it is your presumption or imagination that I am zigzagging all over then I am sorry to have given that impression. That is your outlook not mine. As I mentioned before we see the same Salok a bit differently this may cause a disagreement which is not a bad thing in my opinion. Once again, you seem angry and upset and claiming what I am saying is untrue. You seem to have a trust problem. It seems you do not believe in others’ words. I am not here to change your thought process. If this is the way you think about others and do not allow yourself to give them the benefit of the doubt then I can not help you nor can I force you in doing so. I have no intention to offend you or anyone in this forum. I am here to interact and learn. I said: {Enough said about these Saloks. Now please share with us your Gurmat wisdom and insights regarding other Saloks that Namjap- Santokh Singh has posted. I know I am eagerly waiting for yours perspective. As mentioned before I enjoy your angle of the Gurmat prism.} Your response: If I am not mistaken, he asked all of us discuss those saloks and as I said before, I enjoy your interpretations although at times we may disagree which is a great learning process for me. Thanks and Regards Tejwant Singh Not Tajinder Singh :-)[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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