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<blockquote data-quote="JawDroppingPhilosopher" data-source="post: 45289" data-attributes="member: 1630"><p>Okay, i find you to be a person who wishes to label me something, as an open minded person cannot be labelled anything because i believe in nothing, not even the re-formulation of the belief in christianity, because if we did that then i would be a hypocrite (that i believe it has simply re-formed from babylonian religions and astro theology) which it has.</p><p> </p><p>So the idea of you placing me under a certain religious cult when i can study this cult and be free of its imprisonment as accepting it as my eternal belief (which i dont) completely ends your arguement.</p><p> </p><p>Next quote.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>What do you mean just saying it? LOL you say your a religious person yet if we simply compare the beliefs of sikhism to that of what existed before which was nothing more than Islam and Hinduism ITS OBVIOUS, YOUR OWN BELIEVERS BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE, and your sitting here trying to change the historical fact of your religion to win an arguement?</p><p> </p><p>Guru Nanak was a Hindu was he not? He travelled to Mecca and studied Islam did he not? Your religion in your texts refers to god as being "Brahmin and even Allah"... What more proof do you need?</p><p> </p><p>The proof is in your own texts!!! you dont have to ask me, go to your holy men at the temple and ask them.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Clearly you dont, maybe if you simply asked me in a nice manner we could move forward together, but no, your here to "prove me wrong".</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, i say revolution because when we have a revolution it is usually due to a political or religious social change, now, this does not evolve humanity because we simply re-evolve, revolution, we go back into the same pit we were in at the start.</p><p> </p><p>Yes lets not be christians, lets all become muslims, this will help society, im sure by creating another form of division we are more "at one".</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>But if sikhism is so true, then why are there only a mere few million followers of that religion? Clearly it is not the truth, and how can you measure this, how can you say this?</p><p> </p><p>So did time end when the "truth" of sikhism was embraced lol.</p><p> </p><p>So you say that as time passes, new beliefs and theories are more "true" then old ones (i am against this by the way) does that make what i believe more true then sikhism then?</p><p> </p><p>You said it.</p><p> </p><p>Besides the point there are hundreds of religions which have been created after sikhism, you dont believe these to be true i thought Muhammed was the last prophet though, so what does that make Guru Nanak? A free thinker... Yeh and im the biggest criminal here.:whisling: </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>What? This clearly relates to the conversation, i was speaking to the general readers of this forum of Egyptian transformation of theology into Christianity and you quoted what i wrote, and said...</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is what i was referring to, i found this highly insulting, even though i said only 10% of my message was aimed at you, dont flatter yourself into thinking i wrote that for your eyes only.</p><p> </p><p>I believe everything i write relates to what you have written, if you cannot understand what i am saying about it, then i was right from the beginning in that you cannot hardly understand what you yourself are writting, probably why you called what i speak of an "ideology".</p><p> </p><p>Understand what you are saying yourself, you know, communism, that is an ideology, christianity, the church, that is an ideology.</p><p> </p><p>Free thinking involves the study of EVERYTHING do you think any society today conforms to this method of thinking? I dont, you speak of Xtians, these people who have created a religion have simply created a new sect of Christianity who follow Jesus Christ in a different form.</p><p> </p><p>How on Gods earth does that describe me?</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Of course religion hinders free thinking, it has been a fact since the dawn of religion, can i honestly speak of what i talk in a Church? Could i speak of this in a temple? well i cant speak of this infront of a sikh without him/her attacking me for expressing my infinite field of thought and being open minded, i hope this answers your question.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I dont know what you mean by this, clearly we have different motives in this arguement but id call you wrong of the highest degree to match yours to mine, i am not here to win a debate for egotistical reasons, or to "prove my belief correct" im just saying that if you wish to believe or follow something then surely you should look at all angles before conforming to this one set path belief.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>My path? Well i was born into a sikh family, i guess the reason i came here was not to try and downgrade belief by insulting ones herritage but this is clearly how i have been percieved from the beginning, i was called a muslim at one point!</p><p> </p><p>This is laughable in that i come here to learn, to discuss, a large quote given as a joined this website was.</p><p> </p><p>"Think - Discuss - Share - Learn - Evolve"</p><p> </p><p>I AGREE!!</p><p> </p><p>Sikh means a learner, so why dont you be a sikh and learn new things, your mind is infinite, dont percieve me to be some wicked dvil who is here to win debate for egotistical reasons. I am sharing knowledge with you, you can insult me for doing so but there are many people who appreciate me doing this, and i know thins from the ammount of PM's i have been recieving.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is an interesting point, at face-value if one calls me an atheist then 9 times out of 10 one is implying i dont believe in god.</p><p> </p><p>Definition of Atheist: One who denies or disbelieves the existence of a God.#</p><p> </p><p>Well, i believe in God.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red">Okay, so what is Theism? Well, lol theism is a doctrine of belief, well, isnt believing in many Gods (polytheism) a doctrine, therefore in a Polytheistic society you my sikh friend would be classed as an atheist would you not?</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">This is why i am against conforming to a single set path, because the only truth which exists is the action you take to find it.</span></p><p> </p><p>I appreciate what your saying but you must actually experience the open level of thought before you can conclude it yourself.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Okay, but how can you judge these things (you wich not or feel the need not to experience) if you have not experienced them, surely before you conform your life to a single set path you should look at every angle, what if you lived your life in one set path and on the day you die you find out it was wrong, what then?</p><p> </p><p>Atleast experience everything, atleast step outside of the circle and look from far away at what is going on, the motives and politics of religion. I dont want you to conform to the belief of open mindedness, you should be that anyway as a sikh.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is the second time you have threatend me with physical abuse, does this date back to the violent bloody history of your religion? the fact that pictures of your "gurus" were artists impressions and a history of bloody, political wars which sikhs are often proud and egotistical about.</p><p> </p><p>I can be insulting aswel, if you dont understand me then ill speak in a language you can understand.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>How is this off the topic? Were talking religion, so yeh were talking murder, rape, violence and war, lets not forget the fact that religion has caused the most bloodshed in the "name of god" than any other entity which has ever existed on this planet before, this is because religion is just politics, nothing more.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Is it really? Do you really think the whol society of sikhs believe this? THEN WHY THE HELL DID THEY GO AGAINST WHAT HE SAID!!</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Thats fantastic that your a religious person, no offence, but so what. You would be classed as a satanist and a devil worshiping infidel if you said that to a Muslim, like ive said before im not here to discuss the theory behind sikhism by all means its sounds wonderful, this utopic society which was described through "the word of god" which also contradicts the millions of other forms of the "word of god" which have existed over the thousends of years.</p><p> </p><p>So lets talk about the people before sikhism or christianity, do you know in the Bible (i think its Isaiah 19 - 20, if i remember correctly) it says that in the centre of the midst of the land of Egypt shall stand an alter to the Lord, well, in the centre of the land of Egypt there is an alter, a pyramid. which is an alter for the lord, AMEN-RA, Horus the SUN/SON OF GOD.</p><p> </p><p>But this pyramid was built 3000 years ago... </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I never once implyed that flesh was important to me, but it seems to be that way by your corrupted religion plagued with pictures of the Gurus in temples throughout nations, how did they get there?</p><p> </p><p>A sikh philosopher writes:</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #3300cc">One wonders how the false pictures of the Gurus and even their plastic, wooden and metallic idols appeared, not only in the houses of the Sikhs but also in many Gurdwaras. This is nothing but Brahmanical philosophy displacing the Sikh faith from the Sikh houses and their places of worship. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #3300cc">No true pictures of the Guru exist, though some have been claimed to be true pictures. One 'true' picture is totally different from the other 'true' picture. Most of them are modern paintings. Some old sketches / paintings are also available, but all are based on the imagination of the painters. No Guru permitted his painting to be made in his time, because it is against the philosophy of the Sikh faith as mentioned earlier. We should not have Guru pictures in our houses or Gurdwaras. Instead we should have Gurbaani hymns written and hung for our guidance in our house. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Who on earth, or when did i say i believe in physical form or nothing more than the flesh? Answer me that, i believe in consciousness, that through experience we move forward.</span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>You say this about me, that i have not moved on, and you then say the following:</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>So you found sikhism, felt the need not to move forward and on with your life, and now you call open minded people who wish to experience infinite things as backward individuals who have not moved on in their lives.</p><p> </p><p>This isnt even the point, the fact is you have no idea of what i have experienced in my life and what i have learned, you have told me you have learned sikhism and need not know more, so my friend you are the one who will not and have not moved on:whisling: .</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JawDroppingPhilosopher, post: 45289, member: 1630"] Okay, i find you to be a person who wishes to label me something, as an open minded person cannot be labelled anything because i believe in nothing, not even the re-formulation of the belief in christianity, because if we did that then i would be a hypocrite (that i believe it has simply re-formed from babylonian religions and astro theology) which it has. So the idea of you placing me under a certain religious cult when i can study this cult and be free of its imprisonment as accepting it as my eternal belief (which i dont) completely ends your arguement. Next quote. What do you mean just saying it? LOL you say your a religious person yet if we simply compare the beliefs of sikhism to that of what existed before which was nothing more than Islam and Hinduism ITS OBVIOUS, YOUR OWN BELIEVERS BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE, and your sitting here trying to change the historical fact of your religion to win an arguement? Guru Nanak was a Hindu was he not? He travelled to Mecca and studied Islam did he not? Your religion in your texts refers to god as being "Brahmin and even Allah"... What more proof do you need? The proof is in your own texts!!! you dont have to ask me, go to your holy men at the temple and ask them. Clearly you dont, maybe if you simply asked me in a nice manner we could move forward together, but no, your here to "prove me wrong". Anyway, i say revolution because when we have a revolution it is usually due to a political or religious social change, now, this does not evolve humanity because we simply re-evolve, revolution, we go back into the same pit we were in at the start. Yes lets not be christians, lets all become muslims, this will help society, im sure by creating another form of division we are more "at one". But if sikhism is so true, then why are there only a mere few million followers of that religion? Clearly it is not the truth, and how can you measure this, how can you say this? So did time end when the "truth" of sikhism was embraced lol. So you say that as time passes, new beliefs and theories are more "true" then old ones (i am against this by the way) does that make what i believe more true then sikhism then? You said it. Besides the point there are hundreds of religions which have been created after sikhism, you dont believe these to be true i thought Muhammed was the last prophet though, so what does that make Guru Nanak? A free thinker... Yeh and im the biggest criminal here.:whisling: What? This clearly relates to the conversation, i was speaking to the general readers of this forum of Egyptian transformation of theology into Christianity and you quoted what i wrote, and said... This is what i was referring to, i found this highly insulting, even though i said only 10% of my message was aimed at you, dont flatter yourself into thinking i wrote that for your eyes only. I believe everything i write relates to what you have written, if you cannot understand what i am saying about it, then i was right from the beginning in that you cannot hardly understand what you yourself are writting, probably why you called what i speak of an "ideology". Understand what you are saying yourself, you know, communism, that is an ideology, christianity, the church, that is an ideology. Free thinking involves the study of EVERYTHING do you think any society today conforms to this method of thinking? I dont, you speak of Xtians, these people who have created a religion have simply created a new sect of Christianity who follow Jesus Christ in a different form. How on Gods earth does that describe me? Of course religion hinders free thinking, it has been a fact since the dawn of religion, can i honestly speak of what i talk in a Church? Could i speak of this in a temple? well i cant speak of this infront of a sikh without him/her attacking me for expressing my infinite field of thought and being open minded, i hope this answers your question. I dont know what you mean by this, clearly we have different motives in this arguement but id call you wrong of the highest degree to match yours to mine, i am not here to win a debate for egotistical reasons, or to "prove my belief correct" im just saying that if you wish to believe or follow something then surely you should look at all angles before conforming to this one set path belief. My path? Well i was born into a sikh family, i guess the reason i came here was not to try and downgrade belief by insulting ones herritage but this is clearly how i have been percieved from the beginning, i was called a muslim at one point! This is laughable in that i come here to learn, to discuss, a large quote given as a joined this website was. "Think - Discuss - Share - Learn - Evolve" I AGREE!! Sikh means a learner, so why dont you be a sikh and learn new things, your mind is infinite, dont percieve me to be some wicked dvil who is here to win debate for egotistical reasons. I am sharing knowledge with you, you can insult me for doing so but there are many people who appreciate me doing this, and i know thins from the ammount of PM's i have been recieving. This is an interesting point, at face-value if one calls me an atheist then 9 times out of 10 one is implying i dont believe in god. Definition of Atheist: One who denies or disbelieves the existence of a God.# Well, i believe in God. [COLOR=red]Okay, so what is Theism? Well, lol theism is a doctrine of belief, well, isnt believing in many Gods (polytheism) a doctrine, therefore in a Polytheistic society you my sikh friend would be classed as an atheist would you not?[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]This is why i am against conforming to a single set path, because the only truth which exists is the action you take to find it.[/COLOR] I appreciate what your saying but you must actually experience the open level of thought before you can conclude it yourself. Okay, but how can you judge these things (you wich not or feel the need not to experience) if you have not experienced them, surely before you conform your life to a single set path you should look at every angle, what if you lived your life in one set path and on the day you die you find out it was wrong, what then? Atleast experience everything, atleast step outside of the circle and look from far away at what is going on, the motives and politics of religion. I dont want you to conform to the belief of open mindedness, you should be that anyway as a sikh. This is the second time you have threatend me with physical abuse, does this date back to the violent bloody history of your religion? the fact that pictures of your "gurus" were artists impressions and a history of bloody, political wars which sikhs are often proud and egotistical about. I can be insulting aswel, if you dont understand me then ill speak in a language you can understand. How is this off the topic? Were talking religion, so yeh were talking murder, rape, violence and war, lets not forget the fact that religion has caused the most bloodshed in the "name of god" than any other entity which has ever existed on this planet before, this is because religion is just politics, nothing more. Is it really? Do you really think the whol society of sikhs believe this? THEN WHY THE HELL DID THEY GO AGAINST WHAT HE SAID!! Thats fantastic that your a religious person, no offence, but so what. You would be classed as a satanist and a devil worshiping infidel if you said that to a Muslim, like ive said before im not here to discuss the theory behind sikhism by all means its sounds wonderful, this utopic society which was described through "the word of god" which also contradicts the millions of other forms of the "word of god" which have existed over the thousends of years. So lets talk about the people before sikhism or christianity, do you know in the Bible (i think its Isaiah 19 - 20, if i remember correctly) it says that in the centre of the midst of the land of Egypt shall stand an alter to the Lord, well, in the centre of the land of Egypt there is an alter, a pyramid. which is an alter for the lord, AMEN-RA, Horus the SUN/SON OF GOD. But this pyramid was built 3000 years ago... I never once implyed that flesh was important to me, but it seems to be that way by your corrupted religion plagued with pictures of the Gurus in temples throughout nations, how did they get there? A sikh philosopher writes: [COLOR=#3300cc]One wonders how the false pictures of the Gurus and even their plastic, wooden and metallic idols appeared, not only in the houses of the Sikhs but also in many Gurdwaras. This is nothing but Brahmanical philosophy displacing the Sikh faith from the Sikh houses and their places of worship. [/COLOR] [COLOR=#3300cc]No true pictures of the Guru exist, though some have been claimed to be true pictures. One 'true' picture is totally different from the other 'true' picture. Most of them are modern paintings. Some old sketches / paintings are also available, but all are based on the imagination of the painters. No Guru permitted his painting to be made in his time, because it is against the philosophy of the Sikh faith as mentioned earlier. We should not have Guru pictures in our houses or Gurdwaras. Instead we should have Gurbaani hymns written and hung for our guidance in our house. [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Who on earth, or when did i say i believe in physical form or nothing more than the flesh? Answer me that, i believe in consciousness, that through experience we move forward.[/COLOR] You say this about me, that i have not moved on, and you then say the following: So you found sikhism, felt the need not to move forward and on with your life, and now you call open minded people who wish to experience infinite things as backward individuals who have not moved on in their lives. This isnt even the point, the fact is you have no idea of what i have experienced in my life and what i have learned, you have told me you have learned sikhism and need not know more, so my friend you are the one who will not and have not moved on:whisling: . [/QUOTE]
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