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<blockquote data-quote="lotus lion" data-source="post: 100906" data-attributes="member: 5620"><p><strong><u>The Adressing of Other Dharma's</u></strong></p><p> </p><p>I must admit that I was somewhat surprised when the topic of the Guru's addressing followers of other Dharmas was brought up. This is done by all. Muslim's included.</p><p> </p><p>Passages of interest here would be:</p><p> </p><p><strong>YUSUFALI:</strong> From those, too, who call themselves <strong><u>Christians</u>,</strong> We did take a covenant, but they <strong><u>forgot a good part of the message</u></strong> that was sent them: so <strong><u>we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other,</u></strong> to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. </p><p> </p><p>Quran 005.014</p><p> </p><p>Here, According to the Qur'an The Christians have forgotten the way so there is anamosity between the two religions, Come the apparent day of judgement then Allah will show them the aparent truth.</p><p> </p><p>If on the other hand it read:</p><p> </p><p><strong>SINGH:</strong> From those, too, who call themselves <strong><u>MUSLIMS</u></strong> We did take a covenant, but they <strong><u>forgot a good part of the message</u></strong> that was sent them: so <strong><u>we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other,</u></strong> to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.</p><p> </p><p>What does one feel?</p><p> </p><p>Another one:</p><p> </p><p><strong>YUSUFALI:</strong> O ye who believe! <strong><u>Truly the Pagans are unclean;</u></strong> so <strong><u>let them not,</u></strong> after this year of theirs, <strong><u>approach the Sacred Mosque.</u></strong> And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. </p><p>Qur'an 9:28</p><p> </p><p>If it read:</p><p> </p><p><strong>SINGH:</strong> O ye who believe! <strong><u>Truly the MUSLIMS are unclean;</u></strong> so <strong><u>let them not,</u></strong> after this year of theirs, <strong><u>approach the Sacred GURDWARA.</u></strong> And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. </p><p>Qur'an 9:28</p><p> </p><p>I do not think it would go down too well, and I could actually see your argument.</p><p> </p><p>Perhaps slightly side tracked here, but compare this the Gurdwara - The Sikh Place of worship. Everyone, be they Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Muslim or even of no Dharma, can come in whenever they want, irrespective of the month or what is going on.</p><p> </p><p>Infact one could go to the Harmandir Sahib, also known as the Golden Temple, and openly tell every single person as you go that you are a Muslim. Not only would we be happy to see you there, we would most possibly shake your hand and ask if we can be of any help to you. Your presence would not even make a difference if was considered a day of celebration e.g Vasakhi, Birth of The Gurus, Shaheedi. With the the greatest of respects i say that ofcourse. </p><p> </p><p><strong><em><u>"Harmandir Sahib was built with four doors to show that every religion or faith is allowed to go in to meditate or just listen to the prayers for peace."</u></em></strong></p><p> </p><p>Source: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmandir_Sahib" target="_blank">Harmandir Sahib - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a></p><p> </p><p>There are many more, but I will leave it at that for the moment.</p><p> </p><p>When passages such as these are read, comparing them in light of the passages of the Guru Granth Sahib.</p><p> </p><p><em>"Let mercy be your mosque, faith your prayer-mat, and honest living your Koran. </em></p><p><em>Make modesty your circumcision, and good conduct your fast. In this way, you shall be a true Muslim. </em></p><p><em>Let good conduct be your Kaabaa, Truth your spiritual guide, and the karma of good deeds your prayer and chant. </em></p><p><em>Let your rosary be that which is pleasing to His Will. O Nanak, God shall preserve your honor. ||1||"</em></p><p> </p><p>Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ang 140</p><p> </p><p>I cannot see a problem. It is not infringing on your rights or the way that you chose to live in anyway.</p><p> </p><p>In reality, if we get to the base of your displeasure, I feel that one is arguing about merely being told that if one wishes to be a Muslim then they should attempt to integrate certain aspects into themselves. That is it. </p><p> </p><p>Question for you Questioner:</p><p> </p><p>Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not be merciful?</p><p> </p><p>Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not have faith in God?</p><p> </p><p>Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not live honestly?</p><p> </p><p>Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not be modest?</p><p> </p><p>Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not have good conduct?</p><p> </p><p>If you have already integrated these, Fantastic, If not The Gurus say that one should, then and only then can one call themselves Muslim. </p><p> </p><p>One is free to take heed of the Word or Not. </p><p> </p><p>Do not worry, we are not going to impose Jizya on you and your family, sell your belongings and leave you homeless in an attempt to forcefully convert you in the same way that The Muslims are doing to The Sikhs in Swat, Pakistan.</p><p> </p><p>Source: <a href="http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2009/05/sikhs-begin-leaving-pakistans-orakzai.html" target="_blank">Islamization Watch: Sikhs begin leaving Pakistan’s Orakzai Agency, India concerned</a></p><p> </p><p>Why? Because This is not the way of The Sikhs.</p><p> </p><p><em>"Be kind to all beings-this is more meritorious than bathing at the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage and the giving of charity."</em></p><p> </p><p>Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ang 136</p><p> </p><p>The above is.</p><p> </p><p>My best regards,</p><p> </p><p>Lotus Lion</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="lotus lion, post: 100906, member: 5620"] [B][U]The Adressing of Other Dharma's[/U][/B] I must admit that I was somewhat surprised when the topic of the Guru's addressing followers of other Dharmas was brought up. This is done by all. Muslim's included. Passages of interest here would be: [B]YUSUFALI:[/B] From those, too, who call themselves [B][U]Christians[/U],[/B] We did take a covenant, but they [B][U]forgot a good part of the message[/U][/B] that was sent them: so [B][U]we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other,[/U][/B] to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. Quran 005.014 Here, According to the Qur'an The Christians have forgotten the way so there is anamosity between the two religions, Come the apparent day of judgement then Allah will show them the aparent truth. If on the other hand it read: [B]SINGH:[/B] From those, too, who call themselves [B][U]MUSLIMS[/U][/B] We did take a covenant, but they [B][U]forgot a good part of the message[/U][/B] that was sent them: so [B][U]we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other,[/U][/B] to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. What does one feel? Another one: [B]YUSUFALI:[/B] O ye who believe! [B][U]Truly the Pagans are unclean;[/U][/B] so [B][U]let them not,[/U][/B] after this year of theirs, [B][U]approach the Sacred Mosque.[/U][/B] And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. Qur'an 9:28 If it read: [B]SINGH:[/B] O ye who believe! [B][U]Truly the MUSLIMS are unclean;[/U][/B] so [B][U]let them not,[/U][/B] after this year of theirs, [B][U]approach the Sacred GURDWARA.[/U][/B] And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. Qur'an 9:28 I do not think it would go down too well, and I could actually see your argument. Perhaps slightly side tracked here, but compare this the Gurdwara - The Sikh Place of worship. Everyone, be they Sikh, Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Muslim or even of no Dharma, can come in whenever they want, irrespective of the month or what is going on. Infact one could go to the Harmandir Sahib, also known as the Golden Temple, and openly tell every single person as you go that you are a Muslim. Not only would we be happy to see you there, we would most possibly shake your hand and ask if we can be of any help to you. Your presence would not even make a difference if was considered a day of celebration e.g Vasakhi, Birth of The Gurus, Shaheedi. With the the greatest of respects i say that ofcourse. [B][I][U]"Harmandir Sahib was built with four doors to show that every religion or faith is allowed to go in to meditate or just listen to the prayers for peace."[/U][/I][/B] Source: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmandir_Sahib"]Harmandir Sahib - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] There are many more, but I will leave it at that for the moment. When passages such as these are read, comparing them in light of the passages of the Guru Granth Sahib. [I]"Let mercy be your mosque, faith your prayer-mat, and honest living your Koran. [/I] [I]Make modesty your circumcision, and good conduct your fast. In this way, you shall be a true Muslim. [/I] [I]Let good conduct be your Kaabaa, Truth your spiritual guide, and the karma of good deeds your prayer and chant. [/I] [I]Let your rosary be that which is pleasing to His Will. O Nanak, God shall preserve your honor. ||1||"[/I] Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ang 140 I cannot see a problem. It is not infringing on your rights or the way that you chose to live in anyway. In reality, if we get to the base of your displeasure, I feel that one is arguing about merely being told that if one wishes to be a Muslim then they should attempt to integrate certain aspects into themselves. That is it. Question for you Questioner: Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not be merciful? Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not have faith in God? Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not live honestly? Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not be modest? Do you disagree as a Muslim that one should not have good conduct? If you have already integrated these, Fantastic, If not The Gurus say that one should, then and only then can one call themselves Muslim. One is free to take heed of the Word or Not. Do not worry, we are not going to impose Jizya on you and your family, sell your belongings and leave you homeless in an attempt to forcefully convert you in the same way that The Muslims are doing to The Sikhs in Swat, Pakistan. Source: [URL="http://islamizationwatch.blogspot.com/2009/05/sikhs-begin-leaving-pakistans-orakzai.html"]Islamization Watch: Sikhs begin leaving Pakistan’s Orakzai Agency, India concerned[/URL] Why? Because This is not the way of The Sikhs. [I]"Be kind to all beings-this is more meritorious than bathing at the sixty-eight sacred shrines of pilgrimage and the giving of charity."[/I] Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ang 136 The above is. My best regards, Lotus Lion [/QUOTE]
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