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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 90544" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Saint_Soldier ji</p><p></p><p>You have suggested that you have not disrespected any Sikh Scripture by comparing the Dasam Granth to love songs, kamasutra, "worst scripture." And you say you are ready for the consequences if some believe that you have shown disrespect. This tells me, just one person, that you have already figured that your words could be taken as disrespect, and that some forum members might be insulted by this or even out-raged. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Here are some questions to ponder:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">1. Are your comments relevant to the thread topic Who Is the Present Guru of Sikhs?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">2. Some takhts and many Sikhs, even within Singhsaba, consider Dasam Granth the work of Nanak X. This is not just the opinion of sects within Sikhi like Nihangs. Why should they not be irritated by your words?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">3. Some sects like Nihangs give equal importance to Dasam Granth even though this is not mainstream belief. Nihangs are Sikhs and as such deserve at minimum that we avoid smearing their beliefs with negative opinions. Dasam Granth devotees can sometimes be fanatics and therefore difficult to converse with. Is this always true? No, it is not, because sometimes they are very level-headed people. Should they not be addressed in a level-headed way/</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">4. The SGPC has tasked scholars who know what they are talking about to evaluate original birs to see if they were written by the 10th Master. This is a mature and unemotional approach to the subject -- a rare occurrence for SGPC -- and this needs to be taken seriously. IMHO. At some point this controversy will be unraveled and it will be resolved. I can wait. Can you?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">5. Many of the prayers that you and I say are part of the Dasam Granth. No need to list them. You know which ones they are. In light of that fact, why bring Dasam Granth controversies up in this particular thread?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">6. Only a fraction of the Bani of the 10th Master contains sexual content. In fact only parts of some sections are thus. Most of it does not. If that part of the Bani was written by someone other than the 10th Master, then it eventually will be discovered. So why the challenge to another forum member over a small part of the Bani when the rest of it is very spiritual material?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">7. Could it be that the small part that does have sexual content should be read on another level as metaphor and not taken so literally? In other words, can we detach from our emotionality from time to time?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">So at this time, no deletions are in order. But we can do better. If the thread goes off course then deletions will happen. More important is that everyone understand that unlike other forums, SPN has not taken a position of the Bani of the 10th Master. SPN permits debate. That means in turn that everyone has to find their dignity and discuss the issues of Dasam Granth instead of instigating arguments out of context. So please think about what I have asked above</span>. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 90544, member: 35"] Saint_Soldier ji You have suggested that you have not disrespected any Sikh Scripture by comparing the Dasam Granth to love songs, kamasutra, "worst scripture." And you say you are ready for the consequences if some believe that you have shown disrespect. This tells me, just one person, that you have already figured that your words could be taken as disrespect, and that some forum members might be insulted by this or even out-raged. :) Here are some questions to ponder: [COLOR=Blue]1. Are your comments relevant to the thread topic Who Is the Present Guru of Sikhs? 2. Some takhts and many Sikhs, even within Singhsaba, consider Dasam Granth the work of Nanak X. This is not just the opinion of sects within Sikhi like Nihangs. Why should they not be irritated by your words? 3. Some sects like Nihangs give equal importance to Dasam Granth even though this is not mainstream belief. Nihangs are Sikhs and as such deserve at minimum that we avoid smearing their beliefs with negative opinions. Dasam Granth devotees can sometimes be fanatics and therefore difficult to converse with. Is this always true? No, it is not, because sometimes they are very level-headed people. Should they not be addressed in a level-headed way/ 4. The SGPC has tasked scholars who know what they are talking about to evaluate original birs to see if they were written by the 10th Master. This is a mature and unemotional approach to the subject -- a rare occurrence for SGPC -- and this needs to be taken seriously. IMHO. At some point this controversy will be unraveled and it will be resolved. I can wait. Can you? 5. Many of the prayers that you and I say are part of the Dasam Granth. No need to list them. You know which ones they are. In light of that fact, why bring Dasam Granth controversies up in this particular thread? 6. Only a fraction of the Bani of the 10th Master contains sexual content. In fact only parts of some sections are thus. Most of it does not. If that part of the Bani was written by someone other than the 10th Master, then it eventually will be discovered. So why the challenge to another forum member over a small part of the Bani when the rest of it is very spiritual material? 7. Could it be that the small part that does have sexual content should be read on another level as metaphor and not taken so literally? In other words, can we detach from our emotionality from time to time? So at this time, no deletions are in order. But we can do better. If the thread goes off course then deletions will happen. More important is that everyone understand that unlike other forums, SPN has not taken a position of the Bani of the 10th Master. SPN permits debate. That means in turn that everyone has to find their dignity and discuss the issues of Dasam Granth instead of instigating arguments out of context. So please think about what I have asked above[/COLOR]. :) [/QUOTE]
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