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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 82402" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Sikh80 jio</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">Your question about Guru, Satguru is very genuine. In Guru Granth Sahib ji, Guru and Satguru are used for both, the Creator and His medium. You have to look the context of its use; idea will be clear” me apna gur poosh dekhyaa”(M-1), Guru Nanak ji is addressing the Creator as Guru, who literally is Guru and through a medium His guidance is passed on. Here in the following Guru Vaak, medium is addressed as only way out</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord</span></span></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">Please note it down, here the word is Satguru, stress is on true Guru, there can be many out there claiming to be Guru but Guru ji gives stress that only through TRUE GURU , He is realized. In the following Guru Vaak, True Guru is only referred as Guru, in here Lord is mentioned as NAAM and “apaar” word is not used for The Infinite but for infinite love(het) </span></strong></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">nwnk nwmu smwil qU gur kY hyiq Apwir ]5]20]53] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(34-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></p><p>O Nanak, immerse yourself in the Naam, through the Infinite Love of the Guru.[/FONT]</p><p> [/FONT]</p><p> <span style="color: #339966"> <strong>In the following Guru Vaak, see the Word Satguru( sihari means Satguru ne), it is for medium, who has found/realized Hari Prabh( Lord), then, praise of medium, Guru, goes on. Since He has realized Him, no one is equal to Guru</strong></span><strong>.</strong></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">siqguir hir pRBu buiJAw gur jyvfu Avru n koie ] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(39-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)</span></span></p><p>The <span style="color: blue">True Guru</span> understands the <span style="color: blue">Lord God.</span> There is no other as Great as the <span style="color: blue">Guru.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">Why? Answer</span></strong><span style="color: blue">”</span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"> <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਉ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਟਹੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰਿਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਰਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਭੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੀਆ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਿਖਾਇ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਹਾਉ</span> </a></span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"> I am a sacrifice to the True Guru, who has shown me the Lord God. ||1||Pause||</span></span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">When your quoted above Guru Vaak was revealed to Guru, there was no Guru Granth Sahib ji, so do not translate that word as Guru Granth Sahib ji. Still it is a praise of Guru, the medium. Now, coming back to Guru Granth Sahib ji; today for true Sikhs, eternal Guru is Guru Granth Sahib Ji; obviously, the meaning makes sense that no other can be equal to Guru Granth Sahib ji<u> as a medium to the Lord</u>. Bani is Nirankaar because it is all about Him, it is His “nisaan” Through Guru Granth Sahib ji, Sikhs understand and know the Lord. Guru is also honored as Jahaaj/bohath,</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ ਬੋਹਿਥੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਵ ਹੈ ਕਿਤੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਚੜਿਆ ਜਾਇ </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">सतिगुरु बोहिथु हरि नाव है कितु बिधि चड़िआ जाइ ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sa</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span><span style="color: black">gur bohith har nāv hai ki</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span><span style="color: black"> bi</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏẖ</span></span><span style="color: black"> c</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span><span style="color: black">a</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṛ</span></span><span style="color: black">i*ā jā*ė.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">The Boat of the True Guru is the Name of the Lord. How can we climb on board?</span><strong><span style="color: #339966"> ) that clarifies Guru’s being medium to Him</span></strong></p><p> <strong>(Quote Sikh 80)</strong></p><p> [/FONT]<span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">DMnu vfBwgI vf BwgIAw jo Awie imly gur pwis ]2] <span style="color: green">(40-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)</span></span></p><p> [/FONT] Blessed, and most fortunate of the very fortunate, are those who come to meet the Guru. </p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: blue">Question-3[/FONT]</span></strong><strong></strong></p><p><strong>[/FONT]</strong>Who is referred to as guru in the above. ?[/FONT]</p><p> <strong> <span style="color: SeaGreen">Guru, who dispels illusions, darkness, veil of falsehood, clearly is His medium</span>[/FONT]</strong><span style="color: SeaGreen">. So <strong>who meet the medium Guru are lucky since they are destined to walk on Guru path to realize HIM. Remember Guru ji also gives stress on His grace as well; that is another Hint that Guru ship is initiated from The Lord (</strong>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="color: SeaGreen">siqgur ivic Awpu riKEnu, kir prgtu AwiK suxwieAw ]</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><strong><em><u><span style="color: blue">He has placed Himself within the True Guru[/FONT]</span></u></em></strong><strong><em><span style="color: darkred"><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />[/FONT]</span></em></strong><strong>. <span style="color: #339966">So there should be no confusion about Guru, Satguru, or perfect Guru, we need to understand it accurately in the context it is used; now I am going to answer your questions one by one</span>[/FONT]</strong></p><p> <span style="color: black">(quote[/FONT]</span><span style="color: #339966">)[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">A</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></strong><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><strong><span style="color: blue">Question-1 [/FONT]</span></strong><strong><span style="color: #222222"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #222222">Is Satguru here the Lord or the Granth sahib?</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #222222">By default I would place it as Granth sahib.[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> Yes, doubtless, today Sikhs medium pf Him is guru granth sahib Ji</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">nwnk nwmu smwil qU gur kY hyiq Apwir ]5]20]53] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(34-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></p><p>O Nanak, immerse yourself in the Naam, through the Infinite Love of the Guru.[/FONT] </p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><strong><span style="color: blue">Question -2[/FONT]</span></strong><span style="color: darkred"></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><strong>In the above line I shall prefer to place the meaning of Guru as the Lord HIMSELF</strong>[/FONT]</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">NO[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: darkred"> or is there any possibility of making it look like Granth sahib.?[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">There is no question about it, it is about Guru, the Granth sahib ji/also known as Guru shabad; but remember, Guru cannot be limited to physical aspect only[/FONT]</span><span style="color: darkred">.[/FONT]</span></strong><span style="color: darkred"></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: darkred"></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><strong>B.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred">[/FONT]</span><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">siqguir hir pRBu buiJAw gur jyvfu Avru n koie ] </span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(39-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)</span></span></p><p>[/FONT]The <span style="color: blue">True Guru</span> understands the <span style="color: blue">Lord God.</span> There is no other as Great as the <span style="color: blue">Guru.</span></p><p></p><p><strong>If Satguru is Sabad guru and translation is correct, the meaning of 'true guru understands the Lord' shall have to be translated slightly in a different manner </strong></p><p><strong>[/FONT]</strong> <strong>or will it mean literally that 'Granth sahib' understands the Lord God'. Seemingly I am not able to reconcile.[/FONT]</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">Do not use this clause “ Granth Sahib understands the Lord” Gurbani in Guru Granth Sahib ji dispels all darkness and tears down the wall of falsehood if it is understood and practiced right; Guru Granth Sahib ji is live display of Guru and enlightened ones experience of the Lord. Many people miss the meaning of Guru Seva, it is not only a physical acts in align to a special service but to live Guru Teachings. For example, if Sikhs strictly start living Guru Teachings of Guru Granth sahib ji, it means they are doing real Guru Seva; if they just do” matha take, do chaur” and live” mannmatt” lives, there is no Guru Seva, simply they are dreaming a foolish dream. Sikh must understand what is meant[/FONT]</span></strong><strong> <span style="color: #339966">by Guru Seva and Guru Granth Sahib ji as Guru</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #339966"></span></strong></p><p><strong>Similarly the next line 'there is no other Great as guru ' shall also mean that there is no one as great Granth sahib . It should ,however, mean that No one is as great as Lord.[/FONT]</strong></p><p> <strong><u><span style="color: #339966">This statement is very contradictory, rephrase it.[/FONT]</span></u></strong><strong><span style="color: #339966"> Guru Granth Sahib is not Lord but medium of Lord. When it is said there is no equal to Guru, stress is on Guru’s only true way out as compared to other false claimers. There is no comparison of Guru and the Lord is sited here. So true Guru leads us to Him, so does Guru Granth Sahib ji[/FONT]</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਮੁਨਿ ਜਨ ਲੋਚਦੇ ਸੋ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black">The angelic beings and the silent sages long for Him; the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||4||</span> </p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਏਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਨਕ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black">The One Name is the Lord's Command; O Nanak, the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||5| (M-1)</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">HERE IS A DIRECT DEFINITION BY GURU JI IN THIS REGARD:</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਐਸਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜੋ ਸਭਸੈ ਲਏ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਜੀਉ </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੦</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black">O Nanak, know Him as the True Guru, who unites all with the Lord. ||10||M-1</span><strong><span style="color: #339966"> Guru Granth Sahib does this all if followed and lived with high gravity of sincerity</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966">Now back to the first question, in the following Guru vaak, Guru and Satguru are used for the medium( Guru/Satguru)</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਲਿ ਦਿਖਾਲਿਆ ਹਉ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਿਟਹੁ ਸਦ ਵਾਰਿਆ ਜੀਉ </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: black">The Perfect Guru has shown me that the Lord is always with me. I am forever a sacrifice to the True Guru. ||2|| M-4</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #339966"> [/FONT]</span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 82402, member: 5889"] [B]Sikh80 jio[/B] [B][COLOR=#339966]Your question about Guru, Satguru is very genuine. In Guru Granth Sahib ji, Guru and Satguru are used for both, the Creator and His medium. You have to look the context of its use; idea will be clear” me apna gur poosh dekhyaa”(M-1), Guru Nanak ji is addressing the Creator as Guru, who literally is Guru and through a medium His guidance is passed on. Here in the following Guru Vaak, medium is addressed as only way out[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial]Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial] [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#339966]Please note it down, here the word is Satguru, stress is on true Guru, there can be many out there claiming to be Guru but Guru ji gives stress that only through TRUE GURU , He is realized. In the following Guru Vaak, True Guru is only referred as Guru, in here Lord is mentioned as NAAM and “apaar” word is not used for The Infinite but for infinite love(het) [/COLOR][/B] [FONT=GurbaniWebThick]nwnk nwmu smwil qU gur kY hyiq Apwir ]5]20]53] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](34-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR] O Nanak, immerse yourself in the Naam, through the Infinite Love of the Guru.[/FONT] [/FONT] [COLOR=#339966] [B]In the following Guru Vaak, see the Word Satguru( sihari means Satguru ne), it is for medium, who has found/realized Hari Prabh( Lord), then, praise of medium, Guru, goes on. Since He has realized Him, no one is equal to Guru[/B][/COLOR][B].[/B] [FONT=GurbaniWebThick]siqguir hir pRBu buiJAw gur jyvfu Avru n koie ] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](39-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR] The [COLOR=blue]True Guru[/COLOR] understands the [COLOR=blue]Lord God.[/COLOR] There is no other as Great as the [COLOR=blue]Guru.[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#339966]Why? Answer[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=blue]”[/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਉ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0"][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%9F%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਟਹੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰਿਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਹਰਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਭੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%86"][FONT=Raavi]ਦੀਆ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87"][FONT=Raavi]ਦਿਖਾਇ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A5%A5%E0%A9%A7%E0%A5%A5"][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%89"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਹਾਉ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma] I am a sacrifice to the True Guru, who has shown me the Lord God. ||1||Pause||[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#339966]When your quoted above Guru Vaak was revealed to Guru, there was no Guru Granth Sahib ji, so do not translate that word as Guru Granth Sahib ji. Still it is a praise of Guru, the medium. Now, coming back to Guru Granth Sahib ji; today for true Sikhs, eternal Guru is Guru Granth Sahib Ji; obviously, the meaning makes sense that no other can be equal to Guru Granth Sahib ji[U] as a medium to the Lord[/U]. Bani is Nirankaar because it is all about Him, it is His “nisaan” Through Guru Granth Sahib ji, Sikhs understand and know the Lord. Guru is also honored as Jahaaj/bohath,[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi] ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੁ ਬੋਹਿਥੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਵ ਹੈ ਕਿਤੁ ਬਿਧਿ ਚੜਿਆ ਜਾਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]सतिगुरु बोहिथु हरि नाव है कितु बिधि चड़िआ जाइ ॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Sa[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]gur bohith har nāv hai ki[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] bi[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ḏẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black] c[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]a[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṛ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]i*ā jā*ė.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The Boat of the True Guru is the Name of the Lord. How can we climb on board?[/COLOR][B][COLOR=#339966] ) that clarifies Guru’s being medium to Him[/COLOR][/B] [B](Quote Sikh 80)[/B] [/FONT][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]DMnu vfBwgI vf BwgIAw jo Awie imly gur pwis ]2] [COLOR=green](40-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)[/COLOR][/FONT] [/FONT] Blessed, and most fortunate of the very fortunate, are those who come to meet the Guru. [B][COLOR=blue]Question-3[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B] [/FONT][/B]Who is referred to as guru in the above. ?[/FONT] [B] [COLOR=SeaGreen]Guru, who dispels illusions, darkness, veil of falsehood, clearly is His medium[/COLOR][/FONT][/B][COLOR=SeaGreen]. So [B]who meet the medium Guru are lucky since they are destined to walk on Guru path to realize HIM. Remember Guru ji also gives stress on His grace as well; that is another Hint that Guru ship is initiated from The Lord ([/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkred][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][COLOR=SeaGreen]siqgur ivic Awpu riKEnu, kir prgtu AwiK suxwieAw ][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][I][U][COLOR=blue]He has placed Himself within the True Guru[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/I][/B][B][I][COLOR=darkred];)[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][/B][B]. [COLOR=#339966]So there should be no confusion about Guru, Satguru, or perfect Guru, we need to understand it accurately in the context it is used; now I am going to answer your questions one by one[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [COLOR=black](quote[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#339966])[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]A [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#222222][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial]Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord. [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=blue]Question-1 [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#222222] Is Satguru here the Lord or the Granth sahib? By default I would place it as Granth sahib.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial] Yes, doubtless, today Sikhs medium pf Him is guru granth sahib Ji [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkred][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]nwnk nwmu smwil qU gur kY hyiq Apwir ]5]20]53] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](34-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR] O Nanak, immerse yourself in the Naam, through the Infinite Love of the Guru.[/FONT] [COLOR=darkred][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=blue]Question -2[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=darkred] [B] In the above line I shall prefer to place the meaning of Guru as the Lord HIMSELF[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#339966]NO[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=darkred] or is there any possibility of making it look like Granth sahib.?[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#339966]There is no question about it, it is about Guru, the Granth sahib ji/also known as Guru shabad; but remember, Guru cannot be limited to physical aspect only[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkred].[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=darkred] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkred] [B]B.[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]siqguir hir pRBu buiJAw gur jyvfu Avru n koie ] [/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](39-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT]The [COLOR=blue]True Guru[/COLOR] understands the [COLOR=blue]Lord God.[/COLOR] There is no other as Great as the [COLOR=blue]Guru.[/COLOR] [B]If Satguru is Sabad guru and translation is correct, the meaning of 'true guru understands the Lord' shall have to be translated slightly in a different manner [/FONT][/B] [B]or will it mean literally that 'Granth sahib' understands the Lord God'. Seemingly I am not able to reconcile.[/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=#339966]Do not use this clause “ Granth Sahib understands the Lord” Gurbani in Guru Granth Sahib ji dispels all darkness and tears down the wall of falsehood if it is understood and practiced right; Guru Granth Sahib ji is live display of Guru and enlightened ones experience of the Lord. Many people miss the meaning of Guru Seva, it is not only a physical acts in align to a special service but to live Guru Teachings. For example, if Sikhs strictly start living Guru Teachings of Guru Granth sahib ji, it means they are doing real Guru Seva; if they just do” matha take, do chaur” and live” mannmatt” lives, there is no Guru Seva, simply they are dreaming a foolish dream. Sikh must understand what is meant[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B] [COLOR=#339966]by Guru Seva and Guru Granth Sahib ji as Guru [/COLOR] Similarly the next line 'there is no other Great as guru ' shall also mean that there is no one as great Granth sahib . It should ,however, mean that No one is as great as Lord.[/FONT][/B] [B][U][COLOR=#339966]This statement is very contradictory, rephrase it.[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B][B][COLOR=#339966] Guru Granth Sahib is not Lord but medium of Lord. When it is said there is no equal to Guru, stress is on Guru’s only true way out as compared to other false claimers. There is no comparison of Guru and the Lord is sited here. So true Guru leads us to Him, so does Guru Granth Sahib ji[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਮੁਨਿ ਜਨ ਲੋਚਦੇ ਸੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi] ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੪[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The angelic beings and the silent sages long for Him; the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||4||[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਏਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi] ਦੀਆ ਬੁਝਾਇ ਜੀਉ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੫[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The One Name is the Lord's Command; O Nanak, the True Guru has given me this understanding. ||5| (M-1)[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#339966]HERE IS A DIRECT DEFINITION BY GURU JI IN THIS REGARD:[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi] ਐਸਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜੋ ਸਭਸੈ ਲਏ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਜੀਉ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੧੦[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]O Nanak, know Him as the True Guru, who unites all with the Lord. ||10||M-1[/COLOR][B][COLOR=#339966] Guru Granth Sahib does this all if followed and lived with high gravity of sincerity[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#339966]Now back to the first question, in the following Guru vaak, Guru and Satguru are used for the medium( Guru/Satguru)[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰਿ ਪੂਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਲਿ ਦਿਖਾਲਿਆ ਹਉ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਿਟਹੁ ਸਦ ਵਾਰਿਆ ਜੀਉ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The Perfect Guru has shown me that the Lord is always with me. I am forever a sacrifice to the True Guru. ||2|| M-4[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#339966] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]
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