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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 82338" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Dear Vijaydeep ji,</span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Very many thanks for your reply.</span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">I am not complaining about the attributes of God in Sikhism. </span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">I have a question of very basic or crude in nature as I am ignorant and am trying to grapple with the semantic aspects of the Bani.May be with passage of time and with HIS grace I shall understand the meaning.However, I cannot assign '<span style="color: Blue">Guru</span>' to only '<span style="color: Blue">Lord</span>'.It may be so as per that you have stated in your above post. Reflcting upo this, yes it is true that HE is the Guru of our Gurus and hence is a super-Guru/Supreme Guru or the Lord. </span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">My questions are related to as to how these concepts have got integrated in the bani and if one can standardize the meaning of the terms as stated in the earlier posts in this thread.</span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Let us take the following line for the purpose of understanding that you want to convey and I want to understand.</span></strong> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><em><u><span style="color: Blue">Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord;</span></u> without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord.</em></span></strong></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">1.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"> I shall presume that translation is correct and 'SatGuru' and 'Lord' should have different meanings else there would be a fallacy in translation.</span></strong></span><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: Blue">[Point: Satguru and Lord are two different entities as referred to]</span></span></strong> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">2.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">siqgur ivic Awpu riKEnu, kir prgtu AwiK suxwieAw ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><em><span style="color: Blue"><u>He has placed Himself within the True Guru</u></span>; revealing Himself, He declares this openly.</em></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: Blue">[<span style="color: Black">Point</span>:Again taking cue from the translation the 'satguru' and the 'Lord' should be two different entities as all that the line means that the Lord is accessible through Satguru.</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">gur AwgY kir jodVI jn nwnk hir mylwie ]10]1] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(234-15, gauVI pUrbI, mÚ 4)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong>Offer your </strong><span style="color: #ff6600"><strong><u><span style="color: Blue">prayers to the Guru</span></u>; O servant Nanak, <u>He shall <span style="color: Blue">unite you with the Lord.</span></u> ||10||1||</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong> 3. As per the above line also Guru and the Lord are two different entities.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong>One can cite other examples as well to state that the meaning in Bani should be assigned at micro-level and not at macro level.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong>One may assign those kinds of meaning when one understands the bani in it is entirety and I am not at that stage now. It is a grey area for me.I cannot say about other members.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong>I have all the reasons to believe that there is no standardization of these terms and the contextual reading is essential and in any case we are referring two types of Gurus i.e. Nirankaar or the Granth sahib and further at no place there is any room for our 10 Gurus to be taken as Guru in the sense that it should be understood in the spirit and the context of the thread.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong>The answers of Vijay ji were very helpful in exploring the attributes of Almighty and these were really thought provoking. I am ever grateful to Vijay ji for sharing these wonderful vaaks of Guru saibaan.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong>One is free to add if one likes, I have nothing more to ask .</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong></strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong>Wjkk Wjkf</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"><strong></strong> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="color: #ff6600"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 82338, member: 5290"] [COLOR=#222222][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Courier New][B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Dear Vijaydeep ji, Very many thanks for your reply. I am not complaining about the attributes of God in Sikhism. I have a question of very basic or crude in nature as I am ignorant and am trying to grapple with the semantic aspects of the Bani.May be with passage of time and with HIS grace I shall understand the meaning.However, I cannot assign '[COLOR=Blue]Guru[/COLOR]' to only '[COLOR=Blue]Lord[/COLOR]'.It may be so as per that you have stated in your above post. Reflcting upo this, yes it is true that HE is the Guru of our Gurus and hence is a super-Guru/Supreme Guru or the Lord. My questions are related to as to how these concepts have got integrated in the bani and if one can standardize the meaning of the terms as stated in the earlier posts in this thread. Let us take the following line for the purpose of understanding that you want to convey and I want to understand.[/FONT][/B] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial][B][FONT=Book Antiqua][I][U][COLOR=Blue]Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord;[/COLOR][/U] without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord.[/I][/FONT][/B] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=GurbaniWebThick][FONT=Courier New]1. [B][FONT=Book Antiqua] I shall presume that translation is correct and 'SatGuru' and 'Lord' should have different meanings else there would be a fallacy in translation.[/FONT][/B][/FONT][B][FONT=Book Antiqua] [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue][Point: Satguru and Lord are two different entities as referred to][/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial] 2. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkred][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]siqgur ivic Awpu riKEnu, kir prgtu AwiK suxwieAw ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkred][FONT=Arial][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][I][COLOR=Blue][U]He has placed Himself within the True Guru[/U][/COLOR]; revealing Himself, He declares this openly.[/I][/B][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Courier New][B][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue][[COLOR=Black]Point[/COLOR]:Again taking cue from the translation the 'satguru' and the 'Lord' should be two different entities as all that the line means that the Lord is accessible through Satguru.[/COLOR][/FONT][/B] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick] [/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]gur AwgY kir jodVI jn nwnk hir mylwie ]10]1] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](234-15, gauVI pUrbI, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Courier New][B]Offer your [/B][COLOR=#ff6600][B][U][COLOR=Blue]prayers to the Guru[/COLOR][/U]; O servant Nanak, [U]He shall [COLOR=Blue]unite you with the Lord.[/COLOR][/U] ||10||1||[/B] [COLOR=Black] [B] 3. As per the above line also Guru and the Lord are two different entities. One can cite other examples as well to state that the meaning in Bani should be assigned at micro-level and not at macro level. One may assign those kinds of meaning when one understands the bani in it is entirety and I am not at that stage now. It is a grey area for me.I cannot say about other members. I have all the reasons to believe that there is no standardization of these terms and the contextual reading is essential and in any case we are referring two types of Gurus i.e. Nirankaar or the Granth sahib and further at no place there is any room for our 10 Gurus to be taken as Guru in the sense that it should be understood in the spirit and the context of the thread. The answers of Vijay ji were very helpful in exploring the attributes of Almighty and these were really thought provoking. I am ever grateful to Vijay ji for sharing these wonderful vaaks of Guru saibaan. One is free to add if one likes, I have nothing more to ask . Wjkk Wjkf [/B] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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