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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 82321" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"><span style="color: Blue">SCANNED</span></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">Dear friends,</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">We all interpret bani as per our understanding. But sometime we feel that we may not be correct and seek the help of others to resolve the issue. </span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">One of such issues for me is to understand Guru in terms of bani and Sikhism.</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">We have many kinds of references in The Granth Sahib:</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">True Guru </span></span></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">Sat Guru</span></span></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">Perfect Guru</span></span></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">Guru</span></span></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">Granth Sahib</span></span></strong></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">Besides aad Guru, Jugaad guru, Sri Guru dev...etc</span></span></strong></span></li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">By default we are left with two meanings that we assign to the term.One may refer to the Primal Lord and other is the Granth sahib on the premise that bani is Nirankaar or it has been recommended so by the Tenth Master.</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred">Let us look at Today's Hukumnama. I shall take up the English lines as it shall be helpful in making the point clear.</span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: Blue"><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">The <span style="color: DarkOrange">Perfect Guru </span>has saved us. I sought the Sanctuary of the <span style="color: DarkOrange">True Lord</span>.</span></strong></span></span></li> </ul><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong>This line contains perfect Guru and God and states that perfect Guru has saved us and I sought the sanctuary of Lord. This makes it clear that the implication is that <span style="color: Blue">Perfect Guru and the Lord should be two different entities.</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong>Who could be perfect Guru in the above lines.?</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong>[As per that I understand perfect Guru and Lord should be the same but it is denied as per the above]</strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"></span></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: darkred"> <span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #000000"> [July 1, 2008, Tuesday 04:30 AM. IST] </span></span> </span></span></strong></span> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #000079"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #cc3333"> <span style="color: #000000"><strong> soriT mhlw 5 ]</strong> </span></span></span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="color: #000079"><span style="color: #000079"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #cc3333"><span style="color: #000000"> TwiF pweI krqwry ] qwpu Coif gieAw prvwry ] guir pUrY hY rwKI ] srix scy kI qwkI ]1] prmysru Awip hoAw rKvwlw ] sWiq shj suK iKn mih aupjy mnu hoAw sdw suKwlw ] rhwau ] hir hir nwmu dIE dwrU ] iqin sglw rogu ibdwrU ] ApxI ikrpw DwrI ] iqin sglI bwq svwrI ]2] pRiB Apnw ibrdu smwirAw ] hmrw guxu Avguxu n bIcwirAw ] gur kw sbdu BieE swKI ] iqin sglI lwj rwKI ]3] bolwieAw bolI qyrw ] qU swihbu guxI ghyrw ] jip nwnk nwmu scu swKI ] Apuny dws kI pYj rwKI ]4]6]56] </span></span></span></span></span></span> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"> (AMg: 622) </span></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #004080"> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #004080"> <u><span style="color: #000066"> </span></u></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #004080"><u><span style="color: #000066"> <span style="color: #000000">pMjwbI ivAwiKAw</span></span></u><span style="color: #000000"> :</span></span></span></span> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"> soriT mhlw 5 ] </span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharSlim'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"> hy BweI! ijs mnu`K dy AMdr krqwr ny TMf vrqw id`qI, aus dy prvwr (aus dy igAwn-ieMidAW ivkwrW dw) qwp C`f jWdw hY [ hy BweI! pUry gurU ny ijs mnu`K dI mdd kIqI, aus ny sdw kwiem rihx vwly prmwqmw dw Awsrw q`k ilAw [1[hy BweI! ijs mnu`K dw rwKw prmwqmw Awp bx jWdw hY, aus dw mn sdw vwsqy suKI ho jWdw hY (ikauNik aus dy AMdr) iek iCn ivc Awqmk Afolqw dy suK qy SWqI pYdw ho jWdy hn [rhwau[hy BweI! (ivkwr-rogW dw ielwj krn vwsqy gurU ny ijs mnu`K ) prmwqmw dw nwm-dvweI id`qI aus nwm-dwrU ny aus mnu`K dw swrw hI (ivkwr-) rog k`t id`qw [ jdoN pRBU ny aus mnu`K auqy AwpxI myhr kIqI, qW aus ny AwpxI swrI jIvn-khwxI hI sohxI bxw leI (Awpxw swrw jIvn sMvwr ilAw) [2[hy BweI! pRBU ny (sdw hI) Awpxy mu`F-kdImW dy (ipAwr vwly) suBwv cyqy r`iKAw hY [ auh swfw jIvW dw koeI gux jW AOgux idl qy lw nhIN r`Kdw [ (pRBU dI ikrpw nwl ijs mnu`K dy AMdr) gurU dy Sbd ny Awpxw pRBwv pwieAw, Sbd ny aus dI swrI ie`zq r`K leI (aus ivkwrW dy Fhy cVHn qoN bcw ilAw) [3[hy pRBU! qUM swfw mwlk hYN, qUM guxW dw ^zwnw hYN, qUM fUMGy ijgry vwlw hYN [ jdoN qUM pRyrnw dyNdw hYN qdoN hI mYN qyrI is&iq-swlwh kr skdw hW [ hy nwnk! sdw-iQr pRBU dw nwm jipAw kr, iehI sdw hwmI Brn vwlw hY [ pRBU Awpxy syvk dI (sdw) ie`zq r`Kdw AwieAw hY [4[6[56[ </span></span></span> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">[SIZE=-1]<u><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">English Translation</span></span></u><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"> :</span></span>[/SIZE] </span> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px">SORAT'H, FIFTH MEHL:</span></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"> The Creator has brought utter peace to my home; the fever has left my family. <span style="color: Blue">The Perfect Guru has saved us. I sought the Sanctuary of the True Lord.</span> || 1 || The Transcendent Lord Himself has become my Protector. Tranquility, intuitive peace and poise welled up in an instant, and my mind was comforted forever. || Pause || The Lord, Har, Har, gave me the medicine of His Name, which has cured all disease. He extended His Mercy to me, and resolved all these affairs. || 2 || God confirmed His loving nature; He did not take my merits or demerits into account. The Word of the Guru's Shabad has become manifest, and through it, my honor was totally preserved. || 3 || I speak as You cause me to speak; O Lord and Friday, 23rd Poh (Samvat 538 Nanakshahi) Master, You are the ocean of excellence. Nanak chants the Naam, the Name of the Lord, according to the Teachings of Truth. God preserves the honor of His slaves. || 4 || 6 || 56 || </span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black">Tuesday, 17th Assaar (Samvat 540 Nanakshahi)</span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"></span></span>Kindly clarify with your opinion as to what should we infer when there is a reference to Guru in Bani</span></strong> . </p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><strong>A</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><strong></strong></span></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: Blue">Question-1 </span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Is Satguru here the Lord or the Granth sahib?</span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">By default I would place it as Granth sahib.</span></strong> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #222222"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">nwnk nwmu smwil qU gur kY hyiq Apwir ]5]20]53] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(34-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">O Nanak, immerse yourself in the Naam, through the Infinite Love of the Guru.</span> [/FONT]</p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: Blue"><strong>Question -2</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span> <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong></strong></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong>In the above line I shall prefer to place the meaning of Guru as the Lord HIMSELF or is there any possibility of making it look like Granth sahib.?</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span> </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong> B.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: darkred"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></span></span> <span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">siqguir hir pRBu buiJAw gur jyvfu Avru n koie ] <span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipiHeavy'">(39-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'">The <span style="color: Blue">True Guru</span> understands the <span style="color: Blue">Lord God.</span> There is no other as Great as the <span style="color: Blue">Guru.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong> If Satguru is Sabad guru and translation is correct, the meaning of 'true guru understands the Lord' shall have to be translated slightly in a different manner or will it mean literally that 'Granth sahib' understands the Lord God'. Seemingly I am not able to reconcile.</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong></strong><strong> Similarly the next line 'there is no other Great as guru ' shall also mean that there is no one as great Granth sahib . It should ,however, mean that No one is as great as Lord. </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><strong></strong></span> </span>[/FONT] </p><p>C</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'">DMnu vfBwgI vf BwgIAw jo Awie imly gur pwis ]2] </span><span style="font-family: 'Gurbaniwebthick'"><span style="color: green">(40-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)</span></span></p><p> Blessed, and most fortunate of the very fortunate, are those who come to meet the Guru. [/FONT]</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: Blue">Question-3</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong> <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Who is referred to as guru in the above. ? I have intentionally put in 'one -liners' only to see if there is some standardization of the term. Guru/Satguru/perfect guru/Guru and similar words.</span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><em> Kindly expand the above lines at B and C and also see questions 1,2 and 3 . Opinion of members would be highly appreciated. It was a long over due post but after spending almost an year or so I am not able to debug the meaning automatically.</em> </span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong> <span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Regards</span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><span style="font-family: 'Courier New'"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'">Wjkk WjkF</span></strong></span> </span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 82321, member: 5290"] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred][COLOR=Blue]SCANNED[/COLOR] Dear friends, We all interpret bani as per our understanding. But sometime we feel that we may not be correct and seek the help of others to resolve the issue. One of such issues for me is to understand Guru in terms of bani and Sikhism. We have many kinds of references in The Granth Sahib: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred]True Guru [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred]Sat Guru[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred]Perfect Guru[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred]Guru[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred]Granth Sahib[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [*][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred]Besides aad Guru, Jugaad guru, Sri Guru dev...etc[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred] By default we are left with two meanings that we assign to the term.One may refer to the Primal Lord and other is the Granth sahib on the premise that bani is Nirankaar or it has been recommended so by the Tenth Master. Let us look at Today's Hukumnama. I shall take up the English lines as it shall be helpful in making the point clear. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [LIST] [*][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue][B][SIZE=3]The [COLOR=DarkOrange]Perfect Guru [/COLOR]has saved us. I sought the Sanctuary of the [COLOR=DarkOrange]True Lord[/COLOR].[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [/LIST] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B]This line contains perfect Guru and God and states that perfect Guru has saved us and I sought the sanctuary of Lord. This makes it clear that the implication is that [COLOR=Blue]Perfect Guru and the Lord should be two different entities.[/COLOR] Who could be perfect Guru in the above lines.? [As per that I understand perfect Guru and Lord should be the same but it is denied as per the above][/B] [/FONT] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B][SIZE=4][COLOR=darkred] [SIZE=4][COLOR=#000000] [July 1, 2008, Tuesday 04:30 AM. IST] [/COLOR][/SIZE] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/FONT] [CENTER][COLOR=#000079][FONT=GurbaniAkharSlim][SIZE=1][COLOR=#cc3333] [COLOR=#000000][B] soriT mhlw 5 ][/B] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/CENTER] [COLOR=#000079][COLOR=#000079][FONT=GurbaniAkharSlim][SIZE=1][COLOR=#cc3333][COLOR=#000000] TwiF pweI krqwry ] qwpu Coif gieAw prvwry ] guir pUrY hY rwKI ] srix scy kI qwkI ]1] prmysru Awip hoAw rKvwlw ] sWiq shj suK iKn mih aupjy mnu hoAw sdw suKwlw ] rhwau ] hir hir nwmu dIE dwrU ] iqin sglw rogu ibdwrU ] ApxI ikrpw DwrI ] iqin sglI bwq svwrI ]2] pRiB Apnw ibrdu smwirAw ] hmrw guxu Avguxu n bIcwirAw ] gur kw sbdu BieE swKI ] iqin sglI lwj rwKI ]3] bolwieAw bolI qyrw ] qU swihbu guxI ghyrw ] jip nwnk nwmu scu swKI ] Apuny dws kI pYj rwKI ]4]6]56] [/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] [FONT=GurbaniAkharSlim][SIZE=1][COLOR=black] (AMg: 622) [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=GurbaniAkharSlim][SIZE=1][COLOR=#004080] [U][COLOR=#000066] [COLOR=#000000]pMjwbI ivAwiKAw[/COLOR][/COLOR][/U][COLOR=#000000] :[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [CENTER][FONT=GurbaniAkharSlim][SIZE=1][COLOR=black] soriT mhlw 5 ] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/CENTER] [FONT=GurbaniAkharSlim][SIZE=1][COLOR=black] hy BweI! ijs mnu`K dy AMdr krqwr ny TMf vrqw id`qI, aus dy prvwr (aus dy igAwn-ieMidAW ivkwrW dw) qwp C`f jWdw hY [ hy BweI! pUry gurU ny ijs mnu`K dI mdd kIqI, aus ny sdw kwiem rihx vwly prmwqmw dw Awsrw q`k ilAw [1[hy BweI! ijs mnu`K dw rwKw prmwqmw Awp bx jWdw hY, aus dw mn sdw vwsqy suKI ho jWdw hY (ikauNik aus dy AMdr) iek iCn ivc Awqmk Afolqw dy suK qy SWqI pYdw ho jWdy hn [rhwau[hy BweI! (ivkwr-rogW dw ielwj krn vwsqy gurU ny ijs mnu`K ) prmwqmw dw nwm-dvweI id`qI aus nwm-dwrU ny aus mnu`K dw swrw hI (ivkwr-) rog k`t id`qw [ jdoN pRBU ny aus mnu`K auqy AwpxI myhr kIqI, qW aus ny AwpxI swrI jIvn-khwxI hI sohxI bxw leI (Awpxw swrw jIvn sMvwr ilAw) [2[hy BweI! pRBU ny (sdw hI) Awpxy mu`F-kdImW dy (ipAwr vwly) suBwv cyqy r`iKAw hY [ auh swfw jIvW dw koeI gux jW AOgux idl qy lw nhIN r`Kdw [ (pRBU dI ikrpw nwl ijs mnu`K dy AMdr) gurU dy Sbd ny Awpxw pRBwv pwieAw, Sbd ny aus dI swrI ie`zq r`K leI (aus ivkwrW dy Fhy cVHn qoN bcw ilAw) [3[hy pRBU! qUM swfw mwlk hYN, qUM guxW dw ^zwnw hYN, qUM fUMGy ijgry vwlw hYN [ jdoN qUM pRyrnw dyNdw hYN qdoN hI mYN qyrI is&iq-swlwh kr skdw hW [ hy nwnk! sdw-iQr pRBU dw nwm jipAw kr, iehI sdw hwmI Brn vwlw hY [ pRBU Awpxy syvk dI (sdw) ie`zq r`Kdw AwieAw hY [4[6[56[ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=-1][U][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000]English Translation[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000000] :[/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/FONT] [CENTER][B][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3]SORAT'H, FIFTH MEHL:[/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/CENTER] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3][COLOR=black] The Creator has brought utter peace to my home; the fever has left my family. [COLOR=Blue]The Perfect Guru has saved us. I sought the Sanctuary of the True Lord.[/COLOR] || 1 || The Transcendent Lord Himself has become my Protector. Tranquility, intuitive peace and poise welled up in an instant, and my mind was comforted forever. || Pause || The Lord, Har, Har, gave me the medicine of His Name, which has cured all disease. He extended His Mercy to me, and resolved all these affairs. || 2 || God confirmed His loving nature; He did not take my merits or demerits into account. The Word of the Guru's Shabad has become manifest, and through it, my honor was totally preserved. || 3 || I speak as You cause me to speak; O Lord and Friday, 23rd Poh (Samvat 538 Nanakshahi) Master, You are the ocean of excellence. Nanak chants the Naam, the Name of the Lord, according to the Teachings of Truth. God preserves the honor of His slaves. || 4 || 6 || 56 || [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3][COLOR=black]Tuesday, 17th Assaar (Samvat 540 Nanakshahi) [/COLOR][/SIZE]Kindly clarify with your opinion as to what should we infer when there is a reference to Guru in Bani[/FONT][/B] . [FONT=arial][SIZE=3][COLOR=black] [B]A [/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieE, ibnu siqgur iknY n pwieAw ] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Arial]Without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord; without the True Guru, no one has obtained the Lord. [B][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue]Question-1 [/COLOR] Is Satguru here the Lord or the Granth sahib? By default I would place it as Granth sahib.[/FONT][/B] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkred][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]nwnk nwmu smwil qU gur kY hyiq Apwir ]5]20]53] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](34-13, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]O Nanak, immerse yourself in the Naam, through the Infinite Love of the Guru.[/FONT] [/FONT] [COLOR=darkred][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue][B]Question -2[/B][/COLOR] [/FONT] [FONT=Courier New][FONT=Book Antiqua][B] In the above line I shall prefer to place the meaning of Guru as the Lord HIMSELF or is there any possibility of making it look like Granth sahib.?[/B] [/FONT] [B] B.[/B] [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]siqguir hir pRBu buiJAw gur jyvfu Avru n koie ] [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy](39-18, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Courier New]The [COLOR=Blue]True Guru[/COLOR] understands the [COLOR=Blue]Lord God.[/COLOR] There is no other as Great as the [COLOR=Blue]Guru.[/COLOR] [FONT=Book Antiqua][B] If Satguru is Sabad guru and translation is correct, the meaning of 'true guru understands the Lord' shall have to be translated slightly in a different manner or will it mean literally that 'Granth sahib' understands the Lord God'. Seemingly I am not able to reconcile. [/B][B] Similarly the next line 'there is no other Great as guru ' shall also mean that there is no one as great Granth sahib . It should ,however, mean that No one is as great as Lord. [/B][/FONT] [/FONT][/FONT] C [FONT=Gurbaniwebthick]DMnu vfBwgI vf BwgIAw jo Awie imly gur pwis ]2] [/FONT][FONT=Gurbaniwebthick][COLOR=green](40-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)[/COLOR][/FONT] Blessed, and most fortunate of the very fortunate, are those who come to meet the Guru. [/FONT] [B][FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=Blue]Question-3[/COLOR] [/FONT][/B] [FONT=Courier New][B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Who is referred to as guru in the above. ? I have intentionally put in 'one -liners' only to see if there is some standardization of the term. Guru/Satguru/perfect guru/Guru and similar words. [I] Kindly expand the above lines at B and C and also see questions 1,2 and 3 . Opinion of members would be highly appreciated. It was a long over due post but after spending almost an year or so I am not able to debug the meaning automatically.[/I] [/FONT][/B] [FONT=Courier New][B][FONT=Book Antiqua]Regards Wjkk WjkF[/FONT][/B][/FONT] [/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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