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Who can Describe God?

Discussion in 'Gurmat Vichaar' started by AmbarDhara, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. AmbarDhara

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    Who can Describe God?

    NO ONE.

    Guru Nanak Dev Ji declared this in japji Sahib. Knowing God is totally a different kind of experience than actually making an effort to describe Him. Gurbani claims knowing God, but we are told again and again that no one can describe it even after knowing. To know God one has to become Guru-Oriented.

    Nanak Bani Nirankaar Paarbrahm Parmesar
    Waho Waho Bani Nirankaar Hai Tis Jevad Avar Na Koi
    ANG 2

    ਥਾਪਿਆ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਕੀਤਾ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥
    thhaapiaa n jaae keethaa n hoe ||
    He cannot be established, He cannot be created.

    ਆਪੇ ਆਪਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨੁ ਸੋਇ ॥
    aapae aap niranjan soe ||
    He Himself is Immaculate and Pure.

    ਜਿਨਿ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਪਾਇਆ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
    jin saeviaa thin paaeiaa maan ||
    Those who serve Him are honored.

    ਨਾਨਕ ਗਾਵੀਐ ਗੁਣੀ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ॥
    naanak gaaveeai gunee nidhhaan ||
    O Nanak, sing of the Lord, the Treasure of Excellence.

    ਗਾਵੀਐ ਸੁਣੀਐ ਮਨਿ ਰਖੀਐ ਭਾਉ ॥
    gaaveeai suneeai man rakheeai bhaao ||
    Sing, and listen, and let your mind be filled with love.

    ਦੁਖੁ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਸੁਖੁ ਘਰਿ ਲੈ ਜਾਇ ॥
    dhukh parehar sukh ghar lai jaae ||
    Your pain shall be sent far away, and peace shall come to your home.

    ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥
    guramukh naadhan guramukh vaedhan guramukh rehiaa samaaee ||
    The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.

    ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ ॥
    gur eesar gur gorakh baramaa gur paarabathee maaee ||
    The Guru is Shiva, the Guru is Vishnu and Brahma; the Guru is Paarvati and Lakhshmi.

    ਜੇ ਹਉ ਜਾਣਾ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਹਣਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥
    jae ho jaanaa aakhaa naahee kehanaa kathhan n jaaee ||
    Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.

    ਗੁਰਾ ਇਕ ਦੇਹਿ ਬੁਝਾਈ ॥
    guraa eik dhaehi bujhaaee ||
    The Guru has given me this one understanding:

    ਸਭਨਾ ਜੀਆ ਕਾ ਇਕੁ ਦਾਤਾ ਸੋ ਮੈ ਵਿਸਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਈ ॥੫॥
    sabhanaa jeeaa kaa eik dhaathaa so mai visar n jaaee ||5||
    there is only the One, the Giver of all souls. May I never forget Him! ||5||

    Gurbani eis jag meh chaanan
    Gurbani har alakh lakhiayaa
    Gurbani Gavo Bhaee
    charan kamal parabh kay nit Dhi-aava-o

    Guru Ji tells us He alone knows Himself.

    Brahmgyani Ki gat Brahmgyani Jaaney:)
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  3. Pyramid

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    Tuhada Das
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    ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
    ikonkaar satigur prasaadi ॥
    One Oankar, the primal energy, realized through the grace of divine preceptor

    ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹਾ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਸਤਿ ਸੁਹਾਣੀਐ ।
    paatisaahaa paatisaahu sati suhaaneeai|
    The Lord is the emperor of the emperors, the truth and the beautiful

    ਵਡਾ ਬੇਪਰਵਾਹ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੀਐ ।
    vadaa bayparavaah antu n jaaneeai|
    He, the great, is nonchalant and his mystery cannot be understood

    ਲਉਬਾਲੀ ਦਰਗਾਹ ਆਖਿ ਵਖਾਣੀਐ ।
    laubaalee daragaah aakhi vakhaaneeai|
    His court is also anxiety free.

    ਕੁਦਰਤ ਅਗਮੁ ਅਥਾਹੁ ਚੋਜ ਵਿਡਾਣੀਐ ।
    kudarat agamu adaahu choj vidaaneeai|
    The feats of His powers are unfathomable and impervious.

    ਸਚੀ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਲਾਹ ਅਕਥ ਕਹਾਣੀਐ ।

    sachee sidhati salaah akad kahaaneeai|
    His praise is true and the story of His eulogisation is undescribable.

    ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਚੇ ਵਾਹੁ ਸਦ ਕੁਰਬਾਣੀਐ ॥੧॥

    satigur sachay vaahu sad kurabaaneeai ॥1॥
    I accept the true Guru wondrous and offer my life (for His truth).

    :idea:Bhai Gurdas
    Vaar 21 Pauri 1

  5. Sardara123

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    Aad Ji,

    Yesterday I was reading Bani and came accross this-

    Amazing Amazing Amazing:

    English Translaton(source:SikhiToTheMax):

    Gauree, Fifth Mehl:
    He is the Eternal King.
    The Fearless Lord abides with you. So where does this fear come from? ||1||Pause||
    In one person, You are arrogant and proud, and in another, You are meek and humble.
    In one person, You are all by Yourself, and in another, You are poor. ||1||
    In one person, you are a Pandit, a religious scholar and a preacher, and in another, You are just a fool.
    In one person, You grab hold of everything, and in another, You accept nothing. ||2||
    What can the poor wooden puppet do? The Master Puppeteer knows everything.
    As the Puppeteer dresses the puppet, so is the role the puppet plays. ||3||
    The Lord has created the various chambers of assorted descriptions, and He Himself protects them.
    As is that vessel in which the Lord places the soul, so does it dwell. What can this poor being do? ||4||
    The One who created the thing, understands it; He has fashioned all of this.
    Says Nanak, the Lord and Master is Infinite; He alone understands the value of His Creation. ||5||5||126||
    source: SikhiToTheMax

    Punjabi Translation(source:GuruGranthDarpan):

    (hy pRBU! qUM iek) auh rwjw hYN jo kdy nws hox vwlw nhIN [ jyhVy jIv qyry crnW ivc itky rihMdy hn, auh infr ho jWdy hn, auhnW ƒ ikqoN BI koeI fr-^O& nhIN AwauNdw [1[rhwau[
    (hy pRBU! qyry crnW ivc itky rihx vwilAW ƒ XkIn hY ik) iek (mnu`K dy) srIr ivc qUM (Awp hI) AhMkwrI bixAw hYN qy iek hor srIr ivc qUM mwx-rihq hYN [ iek srIr ivc qUM Awp hI sB ie^iqAwr vwlw hYN qy iek srIr ivc qUM ZrIb kMgwl hYN [1[
    (hy pRBU!) iek (mnu`Kw) srIr ivc qUM cMgw bol skx vwlw ivdvwn hYN qy iek srIr ivc qUM mUrK bixAw hoieAw hYN [ iek srIr ivc (bYT ky qUM grIbW, kmzorW pwsoN) sB kuJ (Koh ky Awpxy pws) iek`Tw krn vwlw hYN, qy iek srIr ivc qUM (ivrkq bx ky) koeI cIz BI AMgIkwr nhIN krdw [2[
    (pr, hy BweI!) ieh jIv ivcwrw kwT dI puqlI hY, ies ƒ iKfwx vwlw pRBU hI jwxdw hY ik ies ƒ ikvyN ncw irhw hY [ (bwjI iKfwx vwlw pRBU) bwjIgr ijho ijhw sWg rcWdw hY, auh jIv auho ijhw sWg rcdw hY [3[
    pRBU ny (jgq ivc byAMq jUnW dy jIvW dIAW) Anyk (srIr-) koTVIAW keI iksmW dIAW bxw id`qIAW hn qy pRBU Awp hI (sB dw) rwKw bixAw hoieAw hY [ ieh ivcwrw jIv (Awpxy Awp) kuJ BI krn jogw nhIN hY [ ijho ijhy srIr ivc prmwqmw ies ƒ r`Kdw hY, auho ijhy srIr ivc ies ƒ rihxw pYNdw hY [4[
    hy nwnk! AwK—ijs prmwqmw ny ieh jgq ricAw hY, ijs prmwqmw ny ieh swrI Kyf bxweI hY, EhI (ies dy Byd ƒ) jwxdw hY [ auh prmwqmw pry qoN pry hY, (swrI rcnw dw) mwlk hY, qy auh Awpxy kMmW dI kdr Awp hI jwxdw hY [5[5[126[
    source: http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/darpan2/0206.html

    Guru Shabad:
    gauVI mhlw 5 ]
    Ehu AibnwsI rwieAw ]
    inrBau sMig qumwrY bsqy iehu frnu khw qy AwieAw ]1] rhwau ]
    eyk mhil qUM hoih APwro eyk mhil inmwno ]
    eyk mhil qUM Awpy Awpy eyk mhil grIbwno ]1]
    eyk mhil qUM pMifqu bkqw eyk mhil Klu hoqw ]
    eyk mhil qUM sBu ikCu gRwhju eyk mhil kCU n lyqw ]2]
    kwT kI puqrI khw krY bpurI iKlwvnhwro jwnY ]
    jYsw ByKu krwvY bwjIgru Ehu qYso hI swju AwnY ]3]
    Aink koTrI bhuqu Bwiq krIAw Awip hoAw rKvwrw ]
    jYsy mhil rwKY qYsY rhnw ikAw iehu krY ibcwrw ]4]
    ijin ikCu kIAw soeI jwnY ijin ieh sB ibiD swjI ]
    khu nwnk AprMpr suAwmI kImiq Apuny kwjI ]5]5]126]
  6. spnadmin

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    That is a good one Sardara ji. You know it is one of the few times when Guruji is speaking in this way -- lest we forget in our devotion that every now and then we need to take a look at our actions and emotions. Do an inventory. Are we changing as well as praying? Moving away from the negative patterns of behavior.
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