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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 126797" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Mattqats ji,</p><p></p><p>Guru Fateh.</p><p></p><p>I hope you have rested well and are preparing yourself to answer my questions that have not been responded yet.</p><p></p><p>Allow me to start with your ending post.</p><p></p><p>I beg to differ with you. First of all this is an interaction, not an argument.I have no idea what your true intentions are but your posts in the Introduction Thread tell us the other story, like the story BP is telling us how much oil is coming out of the broken pipeline.</p><p></p><p>Only a student can be a teacher and through the interaction, we can learn from each other. So, please do not feel defensive about anything. When you have that urge go and re read your own posts about your talking about your own religion to others etc. etc.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Quote:</p><p> <table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> <span style="font-size: 10px">Originally Posted by <strong>Tejwant Singh</strong> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/30458-what-living-word-comparisons-sikh-scripture.html#post126735" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/makemoney/buttons/viewpost.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></span> </p><p> <em><span style="font-size: 10px"> What do you learn from the following verse in the Bible and this is just one of many?</span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 10px"><strong>Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will thrust you through, smash your children to pieces before your eyes, and rape your wife.</strong></span> </em></p><p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </p><p>Your response:</p><p></p><p>The first thing you should try to learn is to ask questions rather than jumping to the conclusions about others. In this case about the right translation. How do you know which is the right and wrong translation or is it the one that you have is the only right one?</p><p></p><p>You never mentioned in any of your posts while trying to proselytise that some of the translations may not be correct and with that result, your own mathematical calculations may not be up to the par because of that.</p><p> </p><p>In order to become a learner, one has to learn first and foremost to give the benefit of the doubt rather than doubting others. Hence, it is must to ask question to receive information rather than deciding what they know with your own mindset and preconceived notions.</p><p></p><p>I have no idea if you know this, that Portuguese is the closest language to Latin in which the Bible was translated to from Greek and Aramaic. So, in the Christian literati, the translation in Portuguese is considered the most correct one. You should try it in case you have not.</p><p></p><p>I am fluent in Portuguese and that verse was taken from the Portuguese Bible and translated by me.So, your logic is quite illogical here I might add. Your preconceived notion about me and where I got the translation from does not do any justice to a learner like you.</p><p></p><p>I have heard this trick from many Christians before that the "non- believers" take things out of context but then they fail in their argument when pressed further. FYI, I have lots of friends from all different religions and many of them are scholars in their respective religions and we enjoy our frequent email interactions and our monthly meetings where nothing but our individual perspective of religions is shared and discussed in a meaningful manner. After all we all come from ONE SOURCE.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/qawwali/29392-aawal-allah-noor-ao-paya-ustaad.html#post126498" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/qawwali/29392-aawal-allah-noor-ao-paya-ustaad.html#post126498</a></p><p></p><p>And also, I would like to add that I am well versed in the Abrahamic and Eastern religions.</p><p></p><p>I consider this my duty being a Sikh, a learner in my personal opinion.</p><p></p><p>That is why I mentioned in my first post to make knowledge your best friend rather than your worst enemy and we can only do that by asking questions to others what we do not know rather than jumping to conclusions.</p><p></p><p>Now let's get back to your post. First tell me how rape and murder can be taken out of context whether it is YOUR GOD who is doing it or anyone else? </p><p></p><p>As now you know a bit about me, I can give you many many verses like that and you will give up justifying these horrendous acts by YOUR GOD because there is no justification and I am sure you are aware of it but accept them as a blind faith which is mathematically irrational and contradicts your own logic of mathematics because blind faith makes people blind and takes the truth out of it. The fact of the matter is Truth needs no faith, no belief. As mentioned before Truth <u><em><strong>IS</strong></em></u>. You as a truth seeker should know that.</p><p></p><p> Your above statement makes one come to the conclusion that YOUR GOD is not omnipotent- ALL POWERFUL. Let me put it another way by asking you a question.</p><p></p><p>If you had ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, then who else would have it?The logical answer is NO ONE else.</p><p></p><p>Now, you may say "but I can share that money with others" which would be very kind on your part but then you would cease to have ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD.</p><p></p><p>So, just think about the above a bit deeper in a logical sense and let me know what conclusion you come to.</p><p></p><p>Before we discuss what prophecy means, I would like you to read the following thread.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/30035-karni-nama-raj-nama-sikh-book.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/30035-karni-nama-raj-nama-sikh-book.html</a></p><p></p><p>Secondly, One can easily conclude from your argument that your God is not omnipotent, a lousy teacher and father, is a punisher rather than loving whom you call just. Let me give you another example.</p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 26px"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: black">A loving God would do like a loving parent and put plastic locks in the electrical outlets, locks on doors to cleaning fluids, etc. NOT say, look there is some battery acid,I am going away and it is right here in your room, but do not play with it.</span></span></span></strong></span></span></p><p></p><p>No, it is not misunderstood. Rape and killing people into pieces especially by someone who is ALL POWERFUL GOD is a horrible thing and we should reject it rather than embrace it because by embracing it, it shows what kind of moral grounds we stand on.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Quote:</p><p> <table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> <span style="font-size: 10px">Originally Posted by <strong>Tejwant Singh</strong> <a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/30458-what-living-word-comparisons-sikh-scripture.html#post126735" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/makemoney/buttons/viewpost.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></span> </p><p> <em><span style="font-size: 10px">Some say the Gospel of Mark was written 100 to 125 years later. But let me give you the benefit of the doubt and I like your phrase "narrowed down" which indicates people are unsure about it so it is all guess work which contradicts your claim about the " Living Word" because " Living Word" can not be based on guesstimates.</span></em></p><p> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </p><p>Your response:</p><p></p><p>Once again you have nothing to counter my argument with. If you do not know what Jesus said how can someone inspire you to find out and you write that after 50 years? </p><p></p><p>The fact is that no one knows the real message. So It makes no sense when you claim that the message has not been changed when you have no idea what Jesus said in the first place. </p><p></p><p>There is the basic thing missing here, which is called logic and you call yourself the expert in it.</p><p></p><p>BTW, I am still waiting for the response to your actions 5 years ago.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Why didn't Jesus write his own Gospel?</p><p></p><p>I am learning a lot from our interaction.</p><p></p><p>Thanks for giving me this opportunity. </p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 126797, member: 138"] Mattqats ji, Guru Fateh. I hope you have rested well and are preparing yourself to answer my questions that have not been responded yet. Allow me to start with your ending post. I beg to differ with you. First of all this is an interaction, not an argument.I have no idea what your true intentions are but your posts in the Introduction Thread tell us the other story, like the story BP is telling us how much oil is coming out of the broken pipeline. Only a student can be a teacher and through the interaction, we can learn from each other. So, please do not feel defensive about anything. When you have that urge go and re read your own posts about your talking about your own religion to others etc. etc. Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> [SIZE=2]Originally Posted by [B]Tejwant Singh[/B] [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/30458-what-living-word-comparisons-sikh-scripture.html#post126735"][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/makemoney/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=2] What do you learn from the following verse in the Bible and this is just one of many? [B]Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will thrust you through, smash your children to pieces before your eyes, and rape your wife.[/B][/SIZE] [/I] </td> </tr> </tbody></table> Your response: The first thing you should try to learn is to ask questions rather than jumping to the conclusions about others. In this case about the right translation. How do you know which is the right and wrong translation or is it the one that you have is the only right one? You never mentioned in any of your posts while trying to proselytise that some of the translations may not be correct and with that result, your own mathematical calculations may not be up to the par because of that. In order to become a learner, one has to learn first and foremost to give the benefit of the doubt rather than doubting others. Hence, it is must to ask question to receive information rather than deciding what they know with your own mindset and preconceived notions. I have no idea if you know this, that Portuguese is the closest language to Latin in which the Bible was translated to from Greek and Aramaic. So, in the Christian literati, the translation in Portuguese is considered the most correct one. You should try it in case you have not. I am fluent in Portuguese and that verse was taken from the Portuguese Bible and translated by me.So, your logic is quite illogical here I might add. Your preconceived notion about me and where I got the translation from does not do any justice to a learner like you. I have heard this trick from many Christians before that the "non- believers" take things out of context but then they fail in their argument when pressed further. FYI, I have lots of friends from all different religions and many of them are scholars in their respective religions and we enjoy our frequent email interactions and our monthly meetings where nothing but our individual perspective of religions is shared and discussed in a meaningful manner. After all we all come from ONE SOURCE. [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/qawwali/29392-aawal-allah-noor-ao-paya-ustaad.html#post126498[/URL] And also, I would like to add that I am well versed in the Abrahamic and Eastern religions. I consider this my duty being a Sikh, a learner in my personal opinion. That is why I mentioned in my first post to make knowledge your best friend rather than your worst enemy and we can only do that by asking questions to others what we do not know rather than jumping to conclusions. Now let's get back to your post. First tell me how rape and murder can be taken out of context whether it is YOUR GOD who is doing it or anyone else? As now you know a bit about me, I can give you many many verses like that and you will give up justifying these horrendous acts by YOUR GOD because there is no justification and I am sure you are aware of it but accept them as a blind faith which is mathematically irrational and contradicts your own logic of mathematics because blind faith makes people blind and takes the truth out of it. The fact of the matter is Truth needs no faith, no belief. As mentioned before Truth [U][I][B]IS[/B][/I][/U]. You as a truth seeker should know that. Your above statement makes one come to the conclusion that YOUR GOD is not omnipotent- ALL POWERFUL. Let me put it another way by asking you a question. If you had ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD, then who else would have it?The logical answer is NO ONE else. Now, you may say "but I can share that money with others" which would be very kind on your part but then you would cease to have ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD. So, just think about the above a bit deeper in a logical sense and let me know what conclusion you come to. Before we discuss what prophecy means, I would like you to read the following thread. [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/30035-karni-nama-raj-nama-sikh-book.html[/URL] Secondly, One can easily conclude from your argument that your God is not omnipotent, a lousy teacher and father, is a punisher rather than loving whom you call just. Let me give you another example. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=10][B][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2][COLOR=black]A loving God would do like a loving parent and put plastic locks in the electrical outlets, locks on doors to cleaning fluids, etc. NOT say, look there is some battery acid,I am going away and it is right here in your room, but do not play with it.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/FONT] No, it is not misunderstood. Rape and killing people into pieces especially by someone who is ALL POWERFUL GOD is a horrible thing and we should reject it rather than embrace it because by embracing it, it shows what kind of moral grounds we stand on. Quote: <table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> [SIZE=2]Originally Posted by [B]Tejwant Singh[/B] [URL="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/30458-what-living-word-comparisons-sikh-scripture.html#post126735"][IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/images/makemoney/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=2]Some say the Gospel of Mark was written 100 to 125 years later. But let me give you the benefit of the doubt and I like your phrase "narrowed down" which indicates people are unsure about it so it is all guess work which contradicts your claim about the " Living Word" because " Living Word" can not be based on guesstimates.[/SIZE][/I] </td> </tr> </tbody></table> Your response: Once again you have nothing to counter my argument with. If you do not know what Jesus said how can someone inspire you to find out and you write that after 50 years? The fact is that no one knows the real message. So It makes no sense when you claim that the message has not been changed when you have no idea what Jesus said in the first place. There is the basic thing missing here, which is called logic and you call yourself the expert in it. BTW, I am still waiting for the response to your actions 5 years ago.:-) Why didn't Jesus write his own Gospel? I am learning a lot from our interaction. Thanks for giving me this opportunity. Regards Tejwant Singh [/QUOTE]
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