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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 82968" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">:ice: yum! i smell a debate</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I would not blame religious orientation for crime nor liberalism (whatever this vague word means). Crime shows very little correlation with any of these.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">When discussing crime it is very difficult to make an assessment without conducting proper and thorough research.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The article in the link you provided takes a very interactionist approach…in that it describes the crime of individuals on a micro-scale… but has no discussion of crime rates on a macro-scale. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Crime Rates are of key importance rather than just observing the number of incidents (not pegged up against a population chart).</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Dalsingh you are right in that sense. The media has a bad habit of sensationalism (you cant blame them…they have to make a living…and a juicy story with drama and tragedy sells </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">well in the market)</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">people like kds1980 read this and automatically conclude the worst; and then start to point fingers and blame an entire body politic (liberalism)…without the thought that crime rates in the most liberal, secular and economically stable countries is always less than in socially conservative religious societies. </span></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate</span></a></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(go ahead and compare religious India to any western European country…or South Africa, Pakistan, Iran to liberal societies like the Netherlands, Finland, Belgium. England, Norway and even the US … ask yourself where would you be safer walking the streets at night)</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Or you could continue to overlook the fact that atheists who make up 10% of the US population do not even constitute 0.5% of the US prison population (these ‘liberals’ are considerably underrepresented if you ask me). </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Proof: </span><a href="http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/prison.htm" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/prison.htm</span></a></p><p><a href="http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris/key_findings.htm" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris/key_findings.htm</span></a></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(btw, the correlation that a liberal is an atheist may not be so true)</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">So the link with liberalism falls short on everything. However, I do agree with kds1980 on one thing, that the failure of nuclear families does lead to an increase in crime rate. However, the fact that "liberals" are against nuclear families is a fact fabricated from the bee-hind and about as ridiculous as flying monkeys. Socially conservative marriages ‘love’ to fall apart as well. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">For facts read this:</span></p><p><a href="http://www.thinkingliberal.com/the_free_radical/2006/10/why_do_republic.html" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">http://www.thinkingliberal.com/the_free_radical/2006/10/why_do_republic.html</span></a></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">With the growth of better methods of litigation, better vigilance and cooperation by the police force with the public… crime rates have been dropping significantly from the centuries before (they fluctuate during times of uncertainty…again the link to Anomie). However, police forces are now putting more emphasis on crime prevention rather than chasing down petty criminals. </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(I read this in a journal a while ago…as soon as I find it I will post it)</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">MUST SEE:</span></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate</span></a></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">(EXCELLENT SOURCE FOR COMPARISONS AND FOR DRAWING CORRELATIONS)</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">England has done many things wrong over the years:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The CCTV that you guys allowed on your streets has had no effect on deterring crime and only solves very few cases. Money and resources could have been better utilized elsewhere in deterring crime.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Gun laws should be re-examined because now it is a well-known fact that guns don’t kill but the uneven distribution of guns kills people. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens decreases crime rates and the rate of hot burglaries (where criminal comes into confrontation with the victim). </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Handguns increase violence (regardless of selective distribution)</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If gun laws are too loose, this will also cause an increase in violent crime.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And if it is too difficult for the average citizen to own a firearm this also leads to increased crime. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The porridge has to be just right!</span></p><p> </p><p>cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 82968, member: 2684"] [FONT=Arial]:ice: yum! i smell a debate[/FONT] [FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I would not blame religious orientation for crime nor liberalism (whatever this vague word means). Crime shows very little correlation with any of these.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT][FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]When discussing crime it is very difficult to make an assessment without conducting proper and thorough research.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]The article in the link you provided takes a very interactionist approach…in that it describes the crime of individuals on a micro-scale… but has no discussion of crime rates on a macro-scale. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Crime Rates are of key importance rather than just observing the number of incidents (not pegged up against a population chart).[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Dalsingh you are right in that sense. The media has a bad habit of sensationalism (you cant blame them…they have to make a living…and a juicy story with drama and tragedy sells [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]well in the market)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]people like kds1980 read this and automatically conclude the worst; and then start to point fingers and blame an entire body politic (liberalism)…without the thought that crime rates in the most liberal, secular and economically stable countries is always less than in socially conservative religious societies. [/FONT] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate"][FONT=Arial]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate[/FONT][/URL] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial](go ahead and compare religious India to any western European country…or South Africa, Pakistan, Iran to liberal societies like the Netherlands, Finland, Belgium. England, Norway and even the US … ask yourself where would you be safer walking the streets at night)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Or you could continue to overlook the fact that atheists who make up 10% of the US population do not even constitute 0.5% of the US prison population (these ‘liberals’ are considerably underrepresented if you ask me). [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Proof: [/FONT][URL="http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/prison.htm"][FONT=Arial]http://www.skepticfiles.org/american/prison.htm[/FONT][/URL] [URL="http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris/key_findings.htm"][FONT=Arial]http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_briefs/aris/key_findings.htm[/FONT][/URL] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial](btw, the correlation that a liberal is an atheist may not be so true)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]So the link with liberalism falls short on everything. However, I do agree with kds1980 on one thing, that the failure of nuclear families does lead to an increase in crime rate. However, the fact that "liberals" are against nuclear families is a fact fabricated from the bee-hind and about as ridiculous as flying monkeys. Socially conservative marriages ‘love’ to fall apart as well. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]For facts read this:[/FONT] [URL="http://www.thinkingliberal.com/the_free_radical/2006/10/why_do_republic.html"][FONT=Arial]http://www.thinkingliberal.com/the_free_radical/2006/10/why_do_republic.html[/FONT][/URL] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]With the growth of better methods of litigation, better vigilance and cooperation by the police force with the public… crime rates have been dropping significantly from the centuries before (they fluctuate during times of uncertainty…again the link to Anomie). However, police forces are now putting more emphasis on crime prevention rather than chasing down petty criminals. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial](I read this in a journal a while ago…as soon as I find it I will post it)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]MUST SEE:[/FONT] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate"][FONT=Arial]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate[/FONT][/URL] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial](EXCELLENT SOURCE FOR COMPARISONS AND FOR DRAWING CORRELATIONS)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]England has done many things wrong over the years:[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]The CCTV that you guys allowed on your streets has had no effect on deterring crime and only solves very few cases. Money and resources could have been better utilized elsewhere in deterring crime.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Gun laws should be re-examined because now it is a well-known fact that guns don’t kill but the uneven distribution of guns kills people. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens decreases crime rates and the rate of hot burglaries (where criminal comes into confrontation with the victim). [/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Handguns increase violence (regardless of selective distribution)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]If gun laws are too loose, this will also cause an increase in violent crime.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]And if it is too difficult for the average citizen to own a firearm this also leads to increased crime. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]The porridge has to be just right![/FONT] cheers [/QUOTE]
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