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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 78946" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: What is Dasam Duaar ?</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>You made me laugh. <img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/rofl.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>All is well. Please forgive me for annoying so much. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I can't force anyone's opinion to change and that's not my intent. But as this is a process of deepening understanding, I invite you to try to see things from a different perspective. Just try to take a look, because I wanted to show you something amazingly beautiful. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That is not correct. Gurbani says that it is through opening the dasam duar that one receives the Darshan of Vaheguru and experiences liberation from duality and the three worlds. All the practices of Sikhi are building up to this point, by helping to cleanse our inner mind and heart in order that this gate may be opened. That is the purpose of receiving a human body in this life. Everything else is a waste.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਦੁਲਭ ਦੇਹ ਪਾਈ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">dhulabh dhaeh paaee vaddabhaagee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">This human body is so difficult to obtain; it is only obtained by great good fortune. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਜਪਹਿ ਤੇ ਆਤਮ ਘਾਤੀ ॥੧॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">naam n japehi thae aatham ghaathee ||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Those who do not meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, are murderers of the soul. ||1|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਮਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਹੀ ਜਿਨਾ ਬਿਸਰਤ ਰਾਮ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">mar n jaahee jinaa bisarath raam ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Those who forget the Lord might just as well die.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">ਨਾਮ ਬਿਹੂਨ ਜੀਵਨ ਕਉਨ ਕਾਮ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">naam bihoon jeevan koun kaam ||1|| rehaao ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">Without the Naam, of what use are their lives? ||1||Pause||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkGreen">~SGGS Ji p. 188</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is completely correct. The process is not forced in Sikhism the way it was practiced in past ages with severe tapas, self-punishment, force, self-effort and physical practices, for example kechari mudra. The kechari mudra is describing something that occurs, because it is a seal. But the way traditional yogis practice is by force, to massage and elongate the tongue. Some people have resorted to cutting the binding of the tongue to make it longer. However, I do know people who were born with the ability. It comes to them unforced. That is their karam.</p><p></p><p>There's a saying if you're baking a cake and keep opening the oven door to see how it is cooking it will collapse and go flat. To bake a cake you have to leave it gupt, and then when it's ready it will be just right. So there is truth to the statement that everything will happen as it's supposed to in it's proper time. It can't be forced as Gurbani says the mind and heart are still unpurified and the breaths are wasted. So the purification comes first.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not a kundalini yoga teacher for 99th time. I don't practice kundalini yoga. And this is not anti-Gurmat, I'm trying to share something in Gurbani. I don't pretend to have all the insight or correct understanding. But I've giving you the best understanding I have. I need to make a button, "I am not a yoga teacher." And put neon sparkles. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">aakhehi mangehi dhaehi dhaehi dhaath karae dhaathaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">People beg and pray, ""Give to us, give to us"", and the Great Giver gives His Gifts. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">faer k agai rakheeai jith dhisai dharabaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court? </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">muha k bolan boleeai jith sun dhharae piaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">What words can we speak to evoke His Love? </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">anmrith vaelaa sach naao vaddiaaee veechaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">karamee aavai kaparraa nadharee mokh dhuaar ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">By the karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 2</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>~Bhul chak maaf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 78946, member: 2125"] [b]Re: What is Dasam Duaar ?[/b] You made me laugh. :rofl: All is well. Please forgive me for annoying so much. I can't force anyone's opinion to change and that's not my intent. But as this is a process of deepening understanding, I invite you to try to see things from a different perspective. Just try to take a look, because I wanted to show you something amazingly beautiful. That is not correct. Gurbani says that it is through opening the dasam duar that one receives the Darshan of Vaheguru and experiences liberation from duality and the three worlds. All the practices of Sikhi are building up to this point, by helping to cleanse our inner mind and heart in order that this gate may be opened. That is the purpose of receiving a human body in this life. Everything else is a waste. [INDENT][COLOR="DarkGreen"]ਦੁਲਭ ਦੇਹ ਪਾਈ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ॥ dhulabh dhaeh paaee vaddabhaagee || This human body is so difficult to obtain; it is only obtained by great good fortune. ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਜਪਹਿ ਤੇ ਆਤਮ ਘਾਤੀ ॥੧॥ naam n japehi thae aatham ghaathee ||1|| Those who do not meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, are murderers of the soul. ||1|| ਮਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਹੀ ਜਿਨਾ ਬਿਸਰਤ ਰਾਮ ॥ mar n jaahee jinaa bisarath raam || Those who forget the Lord might just as well die. ਨਾਮ ਬਿਹੂਨ ਜੀਵਨ ਕਉਨ ਕਾਮ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ naam bihoon jeevan koun kaam ||1|| rehaao || Without the Naam, of what use are their lives? ||1||Pause|| ~SGGS Ji p. 188[/COLOR][/INDENT] This is completely correct. The process is not forced in Sikhism the way it was practiced in past ages with severe tapas, self-punishment, force, self-effort and physical practices, for example kechari mudra. The kechari mudra is describing something that occurs, because it is a seal. But the way traditional yogis practice is by force, to massage and elongate the tongue. Some people have resorted to cutting the binding of the tongue to make it longer. However, I do know people who were born with the ability. It comes to them unforced. That is their karam. There's a saying if you're baking a cake and keep opening the oven door to see how it is cooking it will collapse and go flat. To bake a cake you have to leave it gupt, and then when it's ready it will be just right. So there is truth to the statement that everything will happen as it's supposed to in it's proper time. It can't be forced as Gurbani says the mind and heart are still unpurified and the breaths are wasted. So the purification comes first. I'm not a kundalini yoga teacher for 99th time. I don't practice kundalini yoga. And this is not anti-Gurmat, I'm trying to share something in Gurbani. I don't pretend to have all the insight or correct understanding. But I've giving you the best understanding I have. I need to make a button, "I am not a yoga teacher." And put neon sparkles. [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ ॥ aakhehi mangehi dhaehi dhaehi dhaath karae dhaathaar || People beg and pray, ""Give to us, give to us"", and the Great Giver gives His Gifts. ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥ faer k agai rakheeai jith dhisai dharabaar || So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court? ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ muha k bolan boleeai jith sun dhharae piaar || What words can we speak to evoke His Love? ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ anmrith vaelaa sach naao vaddiaaee veechaar || In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness. ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ karamee aavai kaparraa nadharee mokh dhuaar || By the karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found. ~SGGS Ji p. 2[/COLOR][/INDENT] ~Bhul chak maaf [/QUOTE]
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