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Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by Astroboy, Jun 16, 2009.

  1. Astroboy

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    A 25-Point of Attack​
    The RSS has 25 points with which it hopes to attack the Sikh faith and lead to its eventual assimilation. All 25 points are very easily refuted but lack of education and knowledge coupled with the RSS’s organized attack make this a serious danger.​
    These points are already being incorporated into school text books and taught as real history. This skewed history is already taught in many areas.​
    1) Sikhs are an inseparable part of Hindu society.​
    2) If Hinduism is a tree, Sikhism is a fruit on that tree.​
    3) Gurbani is like the Ganga, it emerges from the Gangotri of the Vedas​
    4) The Khalsa was crated to protect Hinduism and Hindustan​
    5) Japji Sahib is a summary of the Gita​
    6) The Failure of the 1857 “War of Independence” [in reality an unorganized uprising by Poorbiya soldiers who 8 years earlier helped the British conquer Punjab] was defeated only by the Sikhs​
    7) Banda Singh Bahadur was really Veer Banda Bairagi​
    8) The Sikh Gurus worshipped the cow​
    9) Condemning Bhai Kanh Singh Nabha and Bhai Veer Singh​
    10) Use examples from Trumpp and other anti-Sikh western scholars​
    11) The Sikh Gurus used Vedic ceremonies​
    12) Guru Gobind Singh worshipped the Goddess Durga​
    13) Guru Sahib was from the family or Ram and his devotee​
    14) Sikhs are from Lav-Kush​
    15) Baba Ram Singh was the legitimate Guru of the Sikhs​
    16) Create posters which challenge Sikh principles but appear to be pro-Sikh ​
    17) Insist on using the Bikrami calendar and share Hindu festivals​
    18) Call Bhai Hakeekat Singh, Hakeekat Rai and illustrate him as a clean-
    shaven Hindu​
    19) Claim [with no historical basis] that Guru Gobind Singh sent his army to liberate Ram Janam Bhumi in Ayodhya from the Mughals​
    20) To create the Khalsa, Guru Gobind Singh seeked blessing from the gods and goddesses and used Hindu mantras. The Kakaars were also
    blessings from the gods.​
    21) Equate ÅÆ with “OM”​
    22) Call Bhai Mati Das “Guru Mati Das Sharma”​
    23) To do parkash of Sree Guru Granth Sahib in Mandirs and put pictures of
    Hindu Gods in Sikh Gurdwaras​
    24) Project Guru Gobind Singh as having taken a different ideology from Guru Nanak and to make him into a Patriotic Hero of India​
    Guru Gobind Singh with Rana Partap and other Hindu "Heros"​
    25) Make all of Sikh history take a Hindu tint.​
    Small Steps to Oblivion​
    The RSS recognizes that Hinduism is many hundreds of years old and it can slowly assimilate the Sikhs with time. By establishing links between Vishnu/Raam and the Gurus, they hope that Sikhs will see these Hindu gods as their own. With time, perhaps pictures of Raam and Vishnu will find their way into Gurdwaras. The RSS has commissioned paintings and posters that mix Hinduism and Sikhism and present Sikh figures receiving blessings from Hindu gods. ​
    Idol worship, which is taboo in Sikhism is also being slowly introduced. Idols of Guru Gobind Singh and Guru Nanak can now be purchased from many stores. Some Nanaksar Thaats have also installed these idols. If idols of Sikh Gurus are acceptable, then perhaps with time Hindu idols can be accepted. Gurdwara Manikaran is a good example of what the RSS would like to see more common.​
    By putting Guru Granth Sahib in Hindu mandirs, simple Sikh villagers will begin to go to pay obeisance regularly. With Sikhs attending Hindu Mandirs, they will also offer worship to the Hindu gods and goddesses there. Sikh marriages may also begin to take place in Mandirs. Eventually, Hinduism in Punjab will be a mish/mash of Sikhism and Hinduism and the Sikhs will lose their distinct identity. Given a few generations, Guru Nanak will be an Avtar of Vishnu just like the Buddha has become and the Sikhs will be eliminated.​
    Today, Hindu Mandirs and idols again surround Sree Darbaar Sahib in Amritsar. In total, nine mandirs surround the Darbar Sahib complex, with some even in the galleria. When will these small mandirs be turned into massive buildings? When they are, what will the Sikhs have to say? ​
    The Sikhs today are facing dark days. The Sikh Liberation Movement has been destroyed along with Sikh self-confidence. Hindu Fundamentalist organizations are making deep inroads into the community and still there is no reaction. We will be remembered as the first generation of Sikhs to have accepted defeat and subjugation from an adversary. ​
    Will we wake up when it is too late?


     
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  3. Astroboy

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    Re: We will wake up when it's too late, or we can changing our attitude now.

    Sikhs are being assimilated due to the organised attacks of RSS and Christianity on uneducated Sikhs.

    What are the steps you can put forward which will STOP the attacks from taking effect. I don't need answers which tell me that Sikhs are loosing the battle. Because Sikhs are highly spirited and humble.
    Just with these two qualities in every Sikh, can re spark their spirit again. Our job at SPN would be to identify our strengths and solidify our values. Akaal Purukh's support is always needed.
    Panth Challey Tab Jagat Mein, Jab Tum Karo Sehai.:welcome:
     
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    Guru Nanak Dev Ji showed us how misleading Hinduism was since his time in this physical abode.
    Kavi Santokh Singh narrates in his poems called Suraj Parkash that Guru Nanak was having his bath in River Veai
    and nearby it there was a commotion of a Brahmin with a cow trying to pass through a toll gate.
    The Brahmin was in the attire of dhoti, tikka, with a rosary. The tax collector was a khatri hindu.

    Guru Nanak uttered this shabad upon seeing the incident.

    ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ
    सलोक मः १ ॥
    Salok mėhlā 1.
    Shalok, First Mehl:

    ਗਊ ਬਿਰਾਹਮਣ ਕਉ ਕਰੁ ਲਾਵਹੁ ਗੋਬਰਿ ਤਰਣੁ ਜਾਈ
    गऊ बिराहमण कउ करु लावहु गोबरि तरणु न जाई ॥
    Ga▫ū birāhmaṇ ka▫o kar lāvhu gobar ṯaraṇ na jā▫ī.
    They tax the cows and the Brahmins, but the cow-dung they apply to their kitchen will not save them.

    ਧੋਤੀ ਟਿਕਾ ਤੈ ਜਪਮਾਲੀ ਧਾਨੁ ਮਲੇਛਾਂ ਖਾਈ
    धोती टिका तै जपमाली धानु मलेछां खाई ॥
    Ḏẖoṯī tikā ṯai japmālī ḏẖān malecẖẖāʼn kẖā▫ī.
    They wear their loin cloths, apply ritual frontal marks to their foreheads, and carry their rosaries, but they eat food with the Muslims.

    ਅੰਤਰਿ ਪੂਜਾ ਪੜਹਿ ਕਤੇਬਾ ਸੰਜਮੁ ਤੁਰਕਾ ਭਾਈ
    अंतरि पूजा पड़हि कतेबा संजमु तुरका भाई ॥
    Anṯar pūjā paṛėh kaṯebā sanjam ṯurkā bẖā▫ī.
    O Siblings of Destiny, you perform devotional worship indoors, but read the Islamic sacred texts, and adopt the Muslim way of life.

    ਛੋਡੀਲੇ ਪਾਖੰਡਾ
    छोडीले पाखंडा ॥
    Cẖẖodīle pākẖandā.
    Renounce your hypocrisy!

    ਨਾਮਿ ਲਇਐ ਜਾਹਿ ਤਰੰਦਾ ॥੧॥
    नामि लइऐ जाहि तरंदा ॥१॥
    Nām la▫i▫ai jāhi ṯaranḏā. ||1||
    Taking the Naam, the Name of the Lord, you shall swim across. ||1||
     
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    Naamjaap Ji,

    AN apt description of Modern day SIKHS !!...and fitting.
    Thats why we FAIL....on ALL Fronts...
    INSIDE US..we have those who say..we are with a MISSION..and then they DESECRATE the EK Oangkar symbol UNIQUE to GURU NANAK JI with our OWN EGOISTIC ART !!
    We then say we have a MISSION..to give out "AMRIT" with a SPOON held by our own WANNA BE BABA JI !!
    NO ONE Has the GURUS MISSION..each has his own MISSION...and calls himself..SIKHS with a MISSION..ONE of Many he has tried for a long time..changing each time one fails...

    ALL SIKHS have to have a MISSION..the GURU MISSION ONLY and ONLY the GURU MISSION.
     
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    Naam Japp ji..continue to give the wake up call....Jagteh Raho....Thanks for the excellent videos..
     
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    Wake up....inside :)
     
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    OF COURSE amar ji..a sleeping "mann" is of no use to an awake "body"..
    BOTH..Engine and driver have to be awake (and "opearting" for a successful car drive..or we get a CRASH..or DEAD Engine.:whisling::whisling::whisling::whisling:
     
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    I agree with u veerji, there r problems and we r lead by fools, be it politically or be it the heads of ur Gurudwares. they r behind money and show off. showing there authority over others.
    But anti-sikh propoganda and anti-sikh feelings, sikh killings and 'n' of things has happened to us many times. since the birth of Sikhism, we have faced numerous problems in the form of muslims, hindus and britishers. There was a time that 60% of sikh population was massacred by hindu rulers and nawabs, but we still survived everything.
    We will survive everything.
    Just what we need to do is work on ur new generations.

    u know what the amount of money put by these pigs on killing sikhs, if invested in there own community will lead there coommunity to such a glory but these pigs simply don't use there brains.

    i used to have problems with committes in my gurudware whenever i wanted to do any thing for sikh prachar. be it in the form of making posters for childrens or it be gatka classes or it be punjabi classes, or show sikh movies to inspire childrens. but i am fighting ur corrupt leaders and making slow but good progress.

    ONE ACT AT A TIME IS MAKING A LOT OF DIFFERENCE ATLEAST FOR SOME.

    Don't be discourage by this, work on for better, work on for ur Gurus and he will hold ur hand and lead u to victory.

    If u r in Mumbai, u can call me any time, i have some plans for street plays for childrens on sikhee and need some serious hands to work on this - rather any one in mumbai willing to give a helping hand, call me on 9820307726.

    Everyone of us r working, so if u don't have time to come for one work u can support the another. say u can't help us in street play but ur drawing is good, u could help us in preparing posters, or help in writing articles or help us in prenting newspapers, or giving any good ideals, the scope is great. we all can help each other to help some one else.

    Thanks, looking forward to many hands with the Hand of ur Guruji on ur Heads, leading us.:eek:
     
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