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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 93682" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Mahabir Singh ji</strong></p><p> <strong>I appreciate your doing a fair analysis how Guru Nanak did rise above to be father of all Humanity, unlike Jesus he never claimed to be His son and declared His Kartar and him to be the same like Jesus; that alone sets high standard of a soul determined to take back other souls to their origin. Guru Nanak never treated his own sons with any priority but his followers went on treating his disobedient sons with special respect which is the trend that goes against his conception of The Lord and His creation. Guru opposed grouping in other words a narrow concept. That is another reason we fail to understand him, we never rise above small concepts programmed in us by this Maya inflicted society; no wonder needs are turned into greed and possession to inflame conflicts. Unfortunately every one will never think all are sons or daughters of the same AkaalPurakh, they even fail to understand that there is only one Creator of all. They think He takes sides as they do. Guru Nanak was very much aware of it. So I applaud you to introduce<u> a big concept of Guru Nanak’s parenting.</u></strong></p><p> <strong>A few words in context of your own mind set if you don’t mind unlike others who slip quickly on opposition.</strong></p><p> <strong>Here is the part I felt to oppose your concept of believing Guru Nanak and then feeling some of his bani doesn’t appeal you, you wrote in an other post</strong></p><p> <strong>“<span style="color: green">I consider <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/" target="_blank"><span style="color: green">Guru Nanak</span></a> as my own Father & some times i differ with him also on certain parts of his writtings in gurbani which do not appeal to my soul & i frankly tell him, which he appreciates. Like some times sons differ from fathers & fathers give freedom to their sons to do so.quote Mahabir Singh</span>”</strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong>My dear friend, Guru is not supposed to be disagreed, that is what Gurbani says.</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਉ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ ਸੇਵੀ ਆਪਣਾ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਇਕ ਚਿਤਿ ਭਾਇ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong>(SGGS 26)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Ha▫o sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur sevī āp</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā ik man ik c</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">i</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"> b</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā▫e.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">I serve my True Guru with single-minded devotion, and lovingly focus my consciousness on Him.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਚਨੁ ਰਤੰਨੁ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਮੰਨੇ ਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਖਾਇ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong>(SGGS 41)</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur vac</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">an ra</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ann hai jo manne so har ras k</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā▫e.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">The Word of the True Guru is the Jewel. One who believes in it tastes the Sublime Essence of the Lord.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਅਰਪੀ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਈ ਚਲਾ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਏ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span>(SGGS 61)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Man </span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">an arpī āp gavā▫ī c</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">alā sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur b</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā▫e.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">I offer my mind and body, and I renounce my selfishness and conceit; I walk in Harmony with the Will of the True Guru.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਨਾਨਕ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ ਤਾਂ ਮਿਲੈ ਜਾ ਮਨੁ ਰਹੈ ਹਦੂਰਿ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">(SGGS 84)</span></span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Nānak sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur </span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">āʼn milai jā man rahai ha</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ūr. ||2||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">O Nanak, you shall meet the True Guru, if your mind remains in His Presence. ||2||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">3</span></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ ਆਖੈ ਕਾਰ ਸੁ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਈਐ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">(SGGS145)</span></span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur āk</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ai kār so kār kamā▫ī▫ai.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Do that work which the True Guru asks you to do.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">1</span></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਨ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਗੈ ਸੀਸੁ ਨ ਬੇਚਿਆ ਓਇ ਆਵਹਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਅਭਾਗੇ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span>(SGGS172)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Un sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur āgai sīs na bec</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">i▫ā o▫e āvahi jāhi ab</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">āge. ||4||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">They have not sold their heads(<u>own thinking</u>) to the True Guru; those wretched, unfortunate ones continue coming and going in reincarnation. ||4||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">4</span></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨਾ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾ ਆਖਿਆ ਸੁਖਾਵੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਤਿਨਾ ਮੁਹ ਭਲੇਰੇ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਦਯਿ ਗਾਲੇ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span>(SGGS 305)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Jinā sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur kā āk</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">i▫ā suk</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">āvai nāhī </span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">inā muh b</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">alere firėh </span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">a▫yi gāle.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Those who are not pleased with the<u> Words of the True Guru </u>- their faces are cursed, and they wander around, condemned by God.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">4</span></span> </strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਮੁਹਹੁ ਕਢਾਏ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span>(SGGS 306)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur kī ba</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ī sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"> sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"> kar jā</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">hu gursik</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ahu har kar</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā āp muhhu kad</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā▫e.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">4</span></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: #003300"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">WHY IT HAS BEEN REPEATED?</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ ਐਸਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜੋ ਸਭਸੈ ਲਏ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਜੀਉ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੦</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span>(SGGS 72)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Nānak sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur aisā jā</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ī▫ai jo sab</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">sai la▫e milā▫e jī▫o. ||10||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">O Nanak, know Him as the True Guru, who unites all with the Lord. ||10||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">1</span></span> </strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਨਕ</span></span></strong> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨੦</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong><strong>(SGGS 355)</strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">Nānak sa</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">gur barahm </span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ik</span></strong><strong><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: black">ā▫i▫ā. ||5||20||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: black">O Nanak, the True Guru has shown me the Lord God. ||5||20||</span></strong></p><p><strong></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਃ </span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">1</span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <strong> As long as the feeling like this“<span style="color: green"> somef his writtings in gurbani which do not appeal to my soul</span>" exists within, believing in Guru Nanak is faulty. If Guru Nanak appreciates what you say, I am no body to question that but my <u>personal experience is otherwise. A</u>s long as I kept studying other thinkers and psychologists and felt disagreement with Guru Nanak, my learning just <u>ceased.</u> I lived life of a hypocrite nothing was there that could be of any use in spiritual goal save for some so called knowledge and recognition to debate on. I was wondering what the reason is behind it. As I started studying SGGS again and again I found a concept of Guru Nanak vastly interpreted in the whole SGGS, my questions died because <u>questions were coming from my limited understanding of Guru Nanak</u>. To comprehend Guru Nanak, his whole concept must be understood, he clears pretty much in Jap Ji, Patti, Asa Dee Vaar and Dakhni Onkar and Sidhgost. He repeats his concept in different contexts. Then one realizes that Guru Nanak has seen HIM and his concept is flawless. Doubts are cemented blocks that do not let penetrate any truth into them, learning gets blocked as long as doubts are in force. You have a doubt about some of his writings that is enough to enable you to feed your own thought which is a product of environments as I had once. I am not here to declare you are wrong; my effort is to share with you and all viewers that without Guru, Lord is not known, with doubt, Guru Guidance doesn’t work. Forgive me to be in disagreement with you. Thanks for sharing your views.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 93682, member: 5889"] [B]Mahabir Singh ji[/B] [B]I appreciate your doing a fair analysis how Guru Nanak did rise above to be father of all Humanity, unlike Jesus he never claimed to be His son and declared His Kartar and him to be the same like Jesus; that alone sets high standard of a soul determined to take back other souls to their origin. Guru Nanak never treated his own sons with any priority but his followers went on treating his disobedient sons with special respect which is the trend that goes against his conception of The Lord and His creation. Guru opposed grouping in other words a narrow concept. That is another reason we fail to understand him, we never rise above small concepts programmed in us by this Maya inflicted society; no wonder needs are turned into greed and possession to inflame conflicts. Unfortunately every one will never think all are sons or daughters of the same AkaalPurakh, they even fail to understand that there is only one Creator of all. They think He takes sides as they do. Guru Nanak was very much aware of it. So I applaud you to introduce[U] a big concept of Guru Nanak’s parenting.[/U][/B] [B]A few words in context of your own mind set if you don’t mind unlike others who slip quickly on opposition.[/B] [B]Here is the part I felt to oppose your concept of believing Guru Nanak and then feeling some of his bani doesn’t appeal you, you wrote in an other post[/B] [B]“[COLOR=green]I consider [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/guru-nanak-dev/"][COLOR=green]Guru Nanak[/COLOR][/URL] as my own Father & some times i differ with him also on certain parts of his writtings in gurbani which do not appeal to my soul & i frankly tell him, which he appreciates. Like some times sons differ from fathers & fathers give freedom to their sons to do so.quote Mahabir Singh[/COLOR]”[/B] [B]My dear friend, Guru is not supposed to be disagreed, that is what Gurbani says.[/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਹਉ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੁ ਸੇਵੀ ਆਪਣਾ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਇਕ ਚਿਤਿ ਭਾਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B](SGGS 26) [/B][B][COLOR=black]Ha▫o sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur sevī āp[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā ik man ik c[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]i[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black] b[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā▫e.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]I serve my True Guru with single-minded devotion, and lovingly focus my consciousness on Him.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਵਚਨੁ ਰਤੰਨੁ ਹੈ ਜੋ ਮੰਨੇ ਸੁ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਖਾਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B](SGGS 41)[/B] [B][COLOR=black]Sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur vac[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]an ra[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ann hai jo manne so har ras k[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā▫e.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]The Word of the True Guru is the Jewel. One who believes in it tastes the Sublime Essence of the Lord.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਅਰਪੀ ਆਪੁ ਗਵਾਈ ਚਲਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਏ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR](SGGS 61) [/B][B][COLOR=black]Man [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]an arpī āp gavā▫ī c[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]alā sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur b[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā▫e.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]I offer my mind and body, and I renounce my selfishness and conceit; I walk in Harmony with the Will of the True Guru.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi] ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੁ ਤਾਂ ਮਿਲੈ ਜਾ ਮਨੁ ਰਹੈ ਹਦੂਰਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr](SGGS 84)[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]Nānak sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]āʼn milai jā man rahai ha[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ūr. ||2||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]O Nanak, you shall meet the True Guru, if your mind remains in His Presence. ||2||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]3[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੁ ਆਖੈ ਕਾਰ ਸੁ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਈਐ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr](SGGS145)[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]Sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur āk[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ai kār so kār kamā▫ī▫ai.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]Do that work which the True Guru asks you to do.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]1[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਉਨ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਆਗੈ ਸੀਸੁ ਨ ਬੇਚਿਆ ਓਇ ਆਵਹਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਅਭਾਗੇ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੪[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR](SGGS172) [/B][B][COLOR=black]Un sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur āgai sīs na bec[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]i▫ā o▫e āvahi jāhi ab[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]āge. ||4||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]They have not sold their heads([U]own thinking[/U]) to the True Guru; those wretched, unfortunate ones continue coming and going in reincarnation. ||4||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]4[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕਾ ਆਖਿਆ ਸੁਖਾਵੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਤਿਨਾ ਮੁਹ ਭਲੇਰੇ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਦਯਿ ਗਾਲੇ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR](SGGS 305) [/B][B][COLOR=black]Jinā sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur kā āk[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]i▫ā suk[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]āvai nāhī [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]inā muh b[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]alere firėh [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]a▫yi gāle.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]Those who are not pleased with the[U] Words of the True Guru [/U]- their faces are cursed, and they wander around, condemned by God.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]4[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਮੁਹਹੁ ਕਢਾਏ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR](SGGS 306) [/B][B][COLOR=black]Sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur kī ba[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ī sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black] sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black] kar jā[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]hu gursik[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ahu har kar[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā āp muhhu kad[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā▫e.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]4[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#003300][FONT=AnmolUniPr]WHY IT HAS BEEN REPEATED?[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#003300][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ੁ ਐਸਾ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਜੋ ਸਭਸੈ ਲਏ ਮਿਲਾਇ ਜੀਉ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੧੦[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR](SGGS 72) [/B][B][COLOR=black]Nānak sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur aisā jā[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ī▫ai jo sab[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]sai la▫e milā▫e jī▫o. ||10||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]O Nanak, know Him as the True Guru, who unites all with the Lord. ||10||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]1[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B] [B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਨਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੫[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]੨੦[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B](SGGS 355) [/B][B][COLOR=black]Nānak sa[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]gur barahm [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ik[/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=black]ā▫i▫ā. ||5||20||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=black]O Nanak, the True Guru has shown me the Lord God. ||5||20||[/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=Raavi]ਮਃ [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolUniPr]1[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B] As long as the feeling like this“[COLOR=green] somef his writtings in gurbani which do not appeal to my soul[/COLOR]" exists within, believing in Guru Nanak is faulty. If Guru Nanak appreciates what you say, I am no body to question that but my [U]personal experience is otherwise. A[/U]s long as I kept studying other thinkers and psychologists and felt disagreement with Guru Nanak, my learning just [U]ceased.[/U] I lived life of a hypocrite nothing was there that could be of any use in spiritual goal save for some so called knowledge and recognition to debate on. I was wondering what the reason is behind it. As I started studying SGGS again and again I found a concept of Guru Nanak vastly interpreted in the whole SGGS, my questions died because [U]questions were coming from my limited understanding of Guru Nanak[/U]. To comprehend Guru Nanak, his whole concept must be understood, he clears pretty much in Jap Ji, Patti, Asa Dee Vaar and Dakhni Onkar and Sidhgost. He repeats his concept in different contexts. Then one realizes that Guru Nanak has seen HIM and his concept is flawless. Doubts are cemented blocks that do not let penetrate any truth into them, learning gets blocked as long as doubts are in force. You have a doubt about some of his writings that is enough to enable you to feed your own thought which is a product of environments as I had once. I am not here to declare you are wrong; my effort is to share with you and all viewers that without Guru, Lord is not known, with doubt, Guru Guidance doesn’t work. Forgive me to be in disagreement with you. Thanks for sharing your views.:)[/B] [/QUOTE]
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