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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Thintteen (343-344)
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Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
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Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
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Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
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Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
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ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 93663" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>He left his own family and went wandering, in effect leaving his sons to their own devices? </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue">There is a thread somewhere else in the forum that raises this issue from an Islamic perspective, stating he left his wife on several occasions and was therefore a bad husband. I think this argument is ridiculous. People lived in large extended families close to relatives in those days, and still in India they do so. Uncles and brothers fill in. Taya/chacha power. Sometimes an uncle is more influential than a father as far as protection of a family is concerned.</span> <span style="color: Blue">It is a normal part of life within extended families. People who make this sort of criticism are living in cocoons. </span><span style="font-size: 9px">I hope you actually don't think this so I don't feel bad and have to apologize to you <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span> He seemed to be more concerned about the welfare of everyone else then his own children? <span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">There are only scraps of information to go on-- much of it taken from janaam sakhis that are part truth and part fable. There is also hypocrisy in this argument. Suppose Nanak were a holy man known around the world today. He would be making pilgrimages for the sake of learning and teaching, and for the sake of liberating souls, He would be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and so on and so on. Everyone would be "crazy about Nanak ji" and buying tickets to hear him at the local football stadium. </span></p><p></p><p>He did not seem to be a good provider for his family? <span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Again -- who was checking his bank account last we read. Actually this is a funny statement. See my comments to number 1. But also -- Didn't Nanak start a religious community of householders using some land he owned? Many were provided for and provided for each other through honest labor. Are there any stories of his children dying from starvation? It seems to me that one of his sons lived long enough to meet Guru Ram Das in person. So he had to be healthy in spite of his ascetic lifestyle. On a somewhat sarcastic note -- if Guru Nanak got married it means <strong>his family</strong> had enough resources to convince his in-laws that he was a good match. Wealth stayed with the family not the individual. People lived in families who shared resources and looked after children together. Individual wealth is a modern notion. </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><span style="color: Black">Sorry for being a little more than skeptical. This kind of thing always cracks me up. No facts, no evidence, no eye-witness accounts, no understanding of society and culture, or of historical differences -- but theories and stories in abundance.</span> </span><img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/rofl.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rofl:" title="Rofl :rofl:" data-shortname=":rofl:" /> And for some reason, after making up a theory the theory-makers get all upset.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 93663, member: 35"] He left his own family and went wandering, in effect leaving his sons to their own devices? [COLOR=Blue]There is a thread somewhere else in the forum that raises this issue from an Islamic perspective, stating he left his wife on several occasions and was therefore a bad husband. I think this argument is ridiculous. People lived in large extended families close to relatives in those days, and still in India they do so. Uncles and brothers fill in. Taya/chacha power. Sometimes an uncle is more influential than a father as far as protection of a family is concerned.[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]It is a normal part of life within extended families. People who make this sort of criticism are living in cocoons. [/COLOR][SIZE=1]I hope you actually don't think this so I don't feel bad and have to apologize to you :D [/SIZE] He seemed to be more concerned about the welfare of everyone else then his own children? [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]There are only scraps of information to go on-- much of it taken from janaam sakhis that are part truth and part fable. There is also hypocrisy in this argument. Suppose Nanak were a holy man known around the world today. He would be making pilgrimages for the sake of learning and teaching, and for the sake of liberating souls, He would be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and so on and so on. Everyone would be "crazy about Nanak ji" and buying tickets to hear him at the local football stadium. [/COLOR] He did not seem to be a good provider for his family? [COLOR=Blue] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]Again -- who was checking his bank account last we read. Actually this is a funny statement. See my comments to number 1. But also -- Didn't Nanak start a religious community of householders using some land he owned? Many were provided for and provided for each other through honest labor. Are there any stories of his children dying from starvation? It seems to me that one of his sons lived long enough to meet Guru Ram Das in person. So he had to be healthy in spite of his ascetic lifestyle. On a somewhat sarcastic note -- if Guru Nanak got married it means [B]his family[/B] had enough resources to convince his in-laws that he was a good match. Wealth stayed with the family not the individual. People lived in families who shared resources and looked after children together. Individual wealth is a modern notion. [/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue][COLOR=Black]Sorry for being a little more than skeptical. This kind of thing always cracks me up. No facts, no evidence, no eye-witness accounts, no understanding of society and culture, or of historical differences -- but theories and stories in abundance.[/COLOR] [/COLOR]:rofl: And for some reason, after making up a theory the theory-makers get all upset. [/QUOTE]
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