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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 63209" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>Thankyou for this I think perhaps you may have mistaken what I was referring to in my earlier post, </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Sienna">I may have mistaken your point. It sounded as if you had a concern about Christians trying to convert Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims. And being a threat to those communities. </span></p><p></p><p>let me explain there has been a long tradition in xtianity which feels the need to set up a paralell community due to the dichotomy of good/evil which is present within its religious doctrine,</p><p><span style="color: Sienna"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: Sienna"><em>This not always true. Parallel <strong>Christian</strong> communities are very rare actually. They are more likely to be found and established among fundamentalist Christians who want to preserve the purity of their lifestyle as they define a pure lifestyle. Around the world, Christians live intermingled with people of other faiths just as often as they live separately and distinctly from people of other faiths. Yes, often there are "neighborhoods" of mostly Protestant, Catholic, Jewish peoples. But the divisons are more along ethnic and cultural lines, as in - the Jewish neighborhood, Pakistani neighborhood, Irish neighborhood. Immigration patterns and country of origin are more responsible for this tendency to live in ethnic groups; not religion. At least in the US and Europe this is the case</em></span>. <span style="color: Sienna"><em>A</em><em>s people become economically stable they move out of ethnic enclaves into very diverse communities. </em></span></p><p><span style="color: Sienna"><em></em></span></p><p> the "other" is made out to be a threat, the "threat" of yesteryears was judaism and this was mediated through historical incidents (crucification of jesus", in fact any self-determination of jews is seen as - "how can these people who crucified our lord be successful", </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Sienna"><em>There are still Christians who believe what you describe. There are also many Christians who believe themselves to be Jews who follow Jesus. And the tendency to blame Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus is as you say dying out. But it is not completely dead yet.</em></span></p><p></p><p>yes you are right it stems from the totalitarian creed in xtianity </p><p></p><p><span style="color: Sienna"><em>I thought I spent a lot of time showing that Christianity is very diverse -- not totaliarian.</em></span></p><p></p><p>but unlike xtianity sikhism sees all religions as equally co-valid "depending upon their time space variables", after the holocaust many xtians enjoyed great relations with jews they said "its time we met", </p><p><span style="color: Sienna"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="color: Sienna"><em>They did?</em></span></p><p></p><p>this left a cosy new space ,which, as we see, is to be filled by the muslims, they are the xtians "new jews".</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: Sienna">Muslims are having a hard time in this post 9/11 world. What makes it harder is the lack of information about other faiths, knowledge of other religions, and upbringing that favors compassion and open-mindedness. This is something that all religions need to address -- and I am not talking about the beauty of all religions, I am talking about the curative effects of expressing an honest desire to know more, to overcome ignorance.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Sienna"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Sienna">As I read through your comments I gather that you are also living in a fair amount of ignorance about other religions and cultures. You are not alone. You have company. I myself need to learn more every day. It is always easier to have the answer before you know what questions could be asked. Finding out what questions should be asked is very difficult. </span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Sienna"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Sienna">This forum however is a good place to start the kinds of dialogs where learning can happen. It happens here for me everyday.</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: Sienna"></span></em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 63209, member: 35"] Thankyou for this I think perhaps you may have mistaken what I was referring to in my earlier post, [COLOR=Sienna]I may have mistaken your point. It sounded as if you had a concern about Christians trying to convert Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims. And being a threat to those communities. [/COLOR] let me explain there has been a long tradition in xtianity which feels the need to set up a paralell community due to the dichotomy of good/evil which is present within its religious doctrine, [COLOR=Sienna][I] This not always true. Parallel [B]Christian[/B] communities are very rare actually. They are more likely to be found and established among fundamentalist Christians who want to preserve the purity of their lifestyle as they define a pure lifestyle. Around the world, Christians live intermingled with people of other faiths just as often as they live separately and distinctly from people of other faiths. Yes, often there are "neighborhoods" of mostly Protestant, Catholic, Jewish peoples. But the divisons are more along ethnic and cultural lines, as in - the Jewish neighborhood, Pakistani neighborhood, Irish neighborhood. Immigration patterns and country of origin are more responsible for this tendency to live in ethnic groups; not religion. At least in the US and Europe this is the case[/I][/COLOR]. [COLOR=Sienna][I]A[/I][I]s people become economically stable they move out of ethnic enclaves into very diverse communities. [/I][/COLOR] the "other" is made out to be a threat, the "threat" of yesteryears was judaism and this was mediated through historical incidents (crucification of jesus", in fact any self-determination of jews is seen as - "how can these people who crucified our lord be successful", [COLOR=Sienna][I]There are still Christians who believe what you describe. There are also many Christians who believe themselves to be Jews who follow Jesus. And the tendency to blame Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus is as you say dying out. But it is not completely dead yet.[/I][/COLOR] yes you are right it stems from the totalitarian creed in xtianity [COLOR=Sienna][I]I thought I spent a lot of time showing that Christianity is very diverse -- not totaliarian.[/I][/COLOR] but unlike xtianity sikhism sees all religions as equally co-valid "depending upon their time space variables", after the holocaust many xtians enjoyed great relations with jews they said "its time we met", [COLOR=Sienna][I] They did?[/I][/COLOR] this left a cosy new space ,which, as we see, is to be filled by the muslims, they are the xtians "new jews". [I][COLOR=Sienna]Muslims are having a hard time in this post 9/11 world. What makes it harder is the lack of information about other faiths, knowledge of other religions, and upbringing that favors compassion and open-mindedness. This is something that all religions need to address -- and I am not talking about the beauty of all religions, I am talking about the curative effects of expressing an honest desire to know more, to overcome ignorance. As I read through your comments I gather that you are also living in a fair amount of ignorance about other religions and cultures. You are not alone. You have company. I myself need to learn more every day. It is always easier to have the answer before you know what questions could be asked. Finding out what questions should be asked is very difficult. This forum however is a good place to start the kinds of dialogs where learning can happen. It happens here for me everyday. [/COLOR][/I] [/QUOTE]
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