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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 62765" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Hello IS_dhillon </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I enjoyed your post well thought out and very deep. I concur, “mankind” is where he is today because of individuals (be they lumped crudely into any category theist, deist, atheist, agnostic, anti-theist). People are all free thinkers. </span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I was puzzled, not by the layout, but the words you chose in this paragraph. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">What do you mean by the term spirit?</span> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">For you is “spirit” an individual/personal construct? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Or are you using the term to represent collective conscious and awareness of group membership? Something a bit more external and impersonal?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Or both?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Or is it something entirely different that I missed?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I’ll have to disagree with your last statement…reason has not reached impasse. Although reason routinely likes to give the impression it is at an impasse.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Yes indeed Marx underestimated the power of group collective conscious</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">very true! Although I still believe the State should push for secularism and Unitarian polity.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Now is this a good thing? And is there a distinctive power struggle underneath this shroud of group formation?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">My views…right down the middle! Please read on. </span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Well said!!! Good observation.</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">From my understanding you are implying that religion is going to fill the gap and give identity to the people who actively seek it…. Without this institution our Sikh community will be in anguish (with individuals trying to find themselves).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Which is very much true. But…to be fair…</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong>Let me show the opposite side of the spectrum</strong>: </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Identity (of ethnic roots) may be formed without any religious backdrop. If we examine George Hebert Mead’s ideas of the formation of “Self” this may become more transparent. The concept of identity emerges and develops as an aspect of the social process of interaction. And if we bring Simmel into this sphere…the search for identity is the primary agent for any group formation. (be it religious or a non-religious organization) …both types of group formation can provide the person with a sense of “self” and belonging. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Why you need to add the definitive belief in God (which every monotheistic religion entails) is now altogether irrelevant. Strong family, peer groups, and ethnic institutions can substitute religion and aid an individual in forming a self and group identity. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong>The Distinctive Problem with Religion (and why I believe it should not fulfill this role):</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">There is a chance of excessive non-assimilation (if thats a word...or polarization) from host community. This leads to the formation of what many scholars call the “middle-man minority”:</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The Jews in Europe (in the early 1900’s)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The Hindu’s in African countries (who were kicked out in the 70’s)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">This is slightly more harmful and creates VAST communal tensions. These communities already differ in phenotypes, and then on top of that, is another alien label of religion. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Religious institutions carry a huge weight on the minority. If non-progressive in thought, they may end up trapping an individual and hinder his/her upward mobility.</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: red">There are dangers associated with religious institutions acting as buffers between host and minority communities. You may get the production of both ethnic and religious enclaves within the residing society …fuelled by religion these communities are bound to amalgamate fears within the host community (and tensions at one point or another are likely to boil over the pot)</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: red">We saw this clearly during the French Riots not too long ago. And also with the increasing tensions that exists in England between the Islamic and host community. Another example being the civil wars that occurred in Lebanon, India, Iraq, etc. etc. (countless others).</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Religion may relieve initial anguish and aid a person in the formation of identity but the long term implications of this ‘strong group formation’ are fully expressed in Georg Simmel's works. (i think...lol)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">So, in this respect I believe religions time has come (but it wont roll over and perish anytime soon). Like Nietzsche said: “God is dead, but his shadow will linger on the walls for some time to come” (the shadow referring to the institution and possibly religions ability to continue to act as an agent of group formation) </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Religion (like nationality) is an extremely potent force that develops an extremely strong collective conscious (what you term “spirit”). Once the collective conscious is formed, the elite may use it to create division and fear and ensure their supremacy (unity and obedience through hate is what I have seen first hand over and over and over).</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Secularism and inidividuality must prevail for peace. </span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">And you think yourself to be negative … look at me… lol</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I have agreed and disagreed on some other points you raised but I cannot get to them all. (no time)</span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Anyway thats enough negativity for today.</p></blockquote><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Again that’s a rather pessimistic position…we could debate but really there would be no point. </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">cheers</span></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 62765, member: 2684"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Hello IS_dhillon [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I enjoyed your post well thought out and very deep. I concur, “mankind” is where he is today because of individuals (be they lumped crudely into any category theist, deist, atheist, agnostic, anti-theist). People are all free thinkers. [/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I was puzzled, not by the layout, but the words you chose in this paragraph. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]What do you mean by the term spirit?[/COLOR] [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]For you is “spirit” an individual/personal construct? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Or are you using the term to represent collective conscious and awareness of group membership? Something a bit more external and impersonal?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Or both?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Or is it something entirely different that I missed?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I’ll have to disagree with your last statement…reason has not reached impasse. Although reason routinely likes to give the impression it is at an impasse.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Yes indeed Marx underestimated the power of group collective conscious[/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]very true! Although I still believe the State should push for secularism and Unitarian polity.[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Now is this a good thing? And is there a distinctive power struggle underneath this shroud of group formation?[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]My views…right down the middle! Please read on. [/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Well said!!! Good observation.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]From my understanding you are implying that religion is going to fill the gap and give identity to the people who actively seek it…. Without this institution our Sikh community will be in anguish (with individuals trying to find themselves).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Which is very much true. But…to be fair…[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][B]Let me show the opposite side of the spectrum[/B]: [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Identity (of ethnic roots) may be formed without any religious backdrop. If we examine George Hebert Mead’s ideas of the formation of “Self” this may become more transparent. The concept of identity emerges and develops as an aspect of the social process of interaction. And if we bring Simmel into this sphere…the search for identity is the primary agent for any group formation. (be it religious or a non-religious organization) …both types of group formation can provide the person with a sense of “self” and belonging. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Why you need to add the definitive belief in God (which every monotheistic religion entails) is now altogether irrelevant. Strong family, peer groups, and ethnic institutions can substitute religion and aid an individual in forming a self and group identity. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][B]The Distinctive Problem with Religion (and why I believe it should not fulfill this role):[/B][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]There is a chance of excessive non-assimilation (if thats a word...or polarization) from host community. This leads to the formation of what many scholars call the “middle-man minority”:[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The Jews in Europe (in the early 1900’s)[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]The Hindu’s in African countries (who were kicked out in the 70’s)[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]This is slightly more harmful and creates VAST communal tensions. These communities already differ in phenotypes, and then on top of that, is another alien label of religion. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Religious institutions carry a huge weight on the minority. If non-progressive in thought, they may end up trapping an individual and hinder his/her upward mobility.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=red]There are dangers associated with religious institutions acting as buffers between host and minority communities. You may get the production of both ethnic and religious enclaves within the residing society …fuelled by religion these communities are bound to amalgamate fears within the host community (and tensions at one point or another are likely to boil over the pot)[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=red]We saw this clearly during the French Riots not too long ago. And also with the increasing tensions that exists in England between the Islamic and host community. Another example being the civil wars that occurred in Lebanon, India, Iraq, etc. etc. (countless others).[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Religion may relieve initial anguish and aid a person in the formation of identity but the long term implications of this ‘strong group formation’ are fully expressed in Georg Simmel's works. (i think...lol)[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]So, in this respect I believe religions time has come (but it wont roll over and perish anytime soon). Like Nietzsche said: “God is dead, but his shadow will linger on the walls for some time to come” (the shadow referring to the institution and possibly religions ability to continue to act as an agent of group formation) [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Religion (like nationality) is an extremely potent force that develops an extremely strong collective conscious (what you term “spirit”). Once the collective conscious is formed, the elite may use it to create division and fear and ensure their supremacy (unity and obedience through hate is what I have seen first hand over and over and over).[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Secularism and inidividuality must prevail for peace. [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]And you think yourself to be negative … look at me… lol[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I have agreed and disagreed on some other points you raised but I cannot get to them all. (no time)[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] Anyway thats enough negativity for today.[/quote] [FONT=Times New Roman]Again that’s a rather pessimistic position…we could debate but really there would be no point. [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]cheers[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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