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Gurbani (489-503)
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Gurbani (696-703)
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Gurbani (795-831)
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Chhant (843-848)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
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Gurbani (975-980)
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Gurbani (984-988)
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Gurbani (1118-1123)
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Gurbani (1254-1293)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 62528" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Hello Kds_1980: read the entire post carefully. If you put vanity aside for while you may just end up agreeing with it:</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">After that post, which I read in its entirety, I have concluded that you are just as blissfully shallow as S1KH. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The typical brain-dead bashing of atheists was fully anticipated before I even turned my gaze to the first response (which unfortunately happened to be yours).</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The example of communism was to show you that the atheist (humanistic) mindset goes well beyond that of selfishness and desire. Socialism is an ideology that revolves around eliminating desire and want (something a Sikh…like you claim to be…. should praise). </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Is not the Langar a communal meal?…. Communism and Sikhism, aside from their superficial beliefs, have a lot more in common than initially meets the eye! </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: navy">Then you throw out the example of Stalin? Again….. typical…. a fully anticipated response. After 900 posts on this site your level of argument development never fails to numb my synapses. </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: navy">Stalin wasn’t a communist or a socialist…he was dictator and Czar of Russia. He was as much communist as Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim yearning for peace, As much as a child molesting bishop is a missionary of Jesus. Or as much as the fact that PRAKASH SINGH BADAL is the true ambassador of SIKHI</span>. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">“<span style="color: red">Good Ideologies are always bullet-proof</span>” …. only when they are applied to real world scenarios is when they are corrupted by men.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Be it Sikh scriptures of the Guru’s</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Be it the Communist Manifesto by Marx</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The idea of there existing a perfect commune is just as UTOPIAN as the idea of there existing a perfect Religious individual or religious state. The tasks are equally utopian.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">All ideologies are subject to manipulation for personal gains…. And this is a fact you cannot deny. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The only reason America has a middle class today is because of unions! The only reason America has unions is because of socialism! Believe it or not America is a socialist welfare state. With the dawn of industrial revolution it was a necessary way of lifting the working class from exploitation, alienation and poverty. </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> FACT: Communistic Ideology has done more for the poor than any religious movement!</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There have been many selfless acts by many individuals including the Sikh Guru’s. What I am saying is; why do you label some selfless acts as holy and ‘good for humanity’ while others you brush off as less relevant?</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Here is your psuedo-attempt in trying to put down another atheistic organization that has lead to the progression of humanity (just like Sikhism). And whose members have performed extremely selfless acts to help their fellow human: </span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You are a MALE in the 21st century, living in a developed country! You were never forced into a marriage to pay off your parent’s debt, you were not forced into a Burqa by some fundamentalist, you never had your genitals sewn shut, you were not sold off as some sex slave, you were never told “your vote doesn’t count”, you were never prohibited to leave the house without an escort. Feminists fight for rights and the only way to do this is to mobilize societies so that underprivileged women could have some empowerment. Making there voices heard…in the political sphere.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> These are the very things feminists fight for! And all you have to say is “im not a big fan of feminists” ? of course your not a big fan….you think a feminists primary concern is to bash housewives? Not the case at all…their primary concern is to fight injustice.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yes some fraction of feminist ideology does frown upon housewives (but do you know why?):</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The only way any discrimination would have stopped initially is if a patriarchal society provided woman with assets …. This unfortunately was not the case and many women were completely dependant on husbands. Women had no Vote, and thus no voice … they were viewed as unequal (and this continues). What feminists fear is if woman return to this dependency stage many of the equal rights will be reverted (and they are right in this conclusion). </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Feminists have done a lot more good than harm. At least you can agree on this? </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The movement was a tremendous success; only to be achieved by a SELFLESS atheistic organization with largely atheist members who wished for the benefit and progression of humanity.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>yea with religious propaganda! </p><p> </p><p>and S1KH is wrong in many of his interpretations...he too has a polarizing veiw on religion. Religion has played a pivotal roll in the development of humanity and he fails to recognize it.</p><p> </p><p>also,</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">To make an argument that atheist’s are selfish and self-absorbed materialists, is a statement that I find as articulate as my dog barking at the moon. (and your smart enough to know that).</span></span></p><p> </p><p>cheers</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 62528, member: 2684"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Hello Kds_1980: read the entire post carefully. If you put vanity aside for while you may just end up agreeing with it:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]After that post, which I read in its entirety, I have concluded that you are just as blissfully shallow as S1KH. [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The typical brain-dead bashing of atheists was fully anticipated before I even turned my gaze to the first response (which unfortunately happened to be yours).[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The example of communism was to show you that the atheist (humanistic) mindset goes well beyond that of selfishness and desire. Socialism is an ideology that revolves around eliminating desire and want (something a Sikh…like you claim to be…. should praise). [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Is not the Langar a communal meal?…. Communism and Sikhism, aside from their superficial beliefs, have a lot more in common than initially meets the eye! [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=navy]Then you throw out the example of Stalin? Again….. typical…. a fully anticipated response. After 900 posts on this site your level of argument development never fails to numb my synapses. [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=navy]Stalin wasn’t a communist or a socialist…he was dictator and Czar of Russia. He was as much communist as Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim yearning for peace, As much as a child molesting bishop is a missionary of Jesus. Or as much as the fact that PRAKASH SINGH BADAL is the true ambassador of SIKHI[/COLOR]. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]“[COLOR=red]Good Ideologies are always bullet-proof[/COLOR]” …. only when they are applied to real world scenarios is when they are corrupted by men.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Be it Sikh scriptures of the Guru’s[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Be it the Communist Manifesto by Marx[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The idea of there existing a perfect commune is just as UTOPIAN as the idea of there existing a perfect Religious individual or religious state. The tasks are equally utopian.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]All ideologies are subject to manipulation for personal gains…. And this is a fact you cannot deny. [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The only reason America has a middle class today is because of unions! The only reason America has unions is because of socialism! Believe it or not America is a socialist welfare state. With the dawn of industrial revolution it was a necessary way of lifting the working class from exploitation, alienation and poverty. [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] FACT: Communistic Ideology has done more for the poor than any religious movement![/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]There have been many selfless acts by many individuals including the Sikh Guru’s. What I am saying is; why do you label some selfless acts as holy and ‘good for humanity’ while others you brush off as less relevant?[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT='Times New Roman']Here is your psuedo-attempt in trying to put down another atheistic organization that has lead to the progression of humanity (just like Sikhism). And whose members have performed extremely selfless acts to help their fellow human: [/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]You are a MALE in the 21st century, living in a developed country! You were never forced into a marriage to pay off your parent’s debt, you were not forced into a Burqa by some fundamentalist, you never had your genitals sewn shut, you were not sold off as some sex slave, you were never told “your vote doesn’t count”, you were never prohibited to leave the house without an escort. Feminists fight for rights and the only way to do this is to mobilize societies so that underprivileged women could have some empowerment. Making there voices heard…in the political sphere.[/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=#5b5b5b][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman] These are the very things feminists fight for! And all you have to say is “im not a big fan of feminists” ? of course your not a big fan….you think a feminists primary concern is to bash housewives? Not the case at all…their primary concern is to fight injustice.[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Yes some fraction of feminist ideology does frown upon housewives (but do you know why?):[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The only way any discrimination would have stopped initially is if a patriarchal society provided woman with assets …. This unfortunately was not the case and many women were completely dependant on husbands. Women had no Vote, and thus no voice … they were viewed as unequal (and this continues). What feminists fear is if woman return to this dependency stage many of the equal rights will be reverted (and they are right in this conclusion). [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Feminists have done a lot more good than harm. At least you can agree on this? [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]The movement was a tremendous success; only to be achieved by a SELFLESS atheistic organization with largely atheist members who wished for the benefit and progression of humanity.[/SIZE][/FONT] yea with religious propaganda! and S1KH is wrong in many of his interpretations...he too has a polarizing veiw on religion. Religion has played a pivotal roll in the development of humanity and he fails to recognize it. also, [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]To make an argument that atheist’s are selfish and self-absorbed materialists, is a statement that I find as articulate as my dog barking at the moon. (and your smart enough to know that).[/SIZE][/FONT] cheers [/QUOTE]
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