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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 88207" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>axji</p><p></p><p>To start the discussion, I would like to begin with this part of a shabad from Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj. Then attempt some of your other questions.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: red"> </span></p><p> <span style="color: red"></span>ਚਉਥੈ ਪਹਰੈ ਰੈਣਿ ਕੈ ਵਣਜਾਰਿਆ ਮਿਤ੍ਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਚਲਣ ਵੇਲਾ ਆਦੀ ॥ </p><p>chouthhai peharai rain kai vanajaariaa mithraa har chalan vaelaa aadhee ||</p><p>In the fourth watch of the night, O my merchant friend, the Lord announces the time of departure.</p><p><span style="color: red"> </span></p><p> <span style="color: red"></span><span style="color: Navy">ਕਰਿ ਸੇਵਹੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਣਜਾਰਿਆ ਮਿਤ੍ਰਾ ਸਭ ਚਲੀ ਰੈਣਿ ਵਿਹਾਦੀ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">kar saevahu pooraa sathiguroo vanajaariaa mithraa sabh chalee rain vihaadhee ||</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">Serve the Perfect True Guru, O my merchant friend; your entire life-night is passing away.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">ਹਰਿ ਸੇਵਹੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਢਿਲ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਕਰਿਹੁ ਜਿਤੁ ਅਸਥਿਰੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਹੋਵਹੁ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">har saevahu khin khin dtil mool n karihu jith asathhir jug jug hovahu ||</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">Serve the Lord each and every instant-do not delay! You shall become eternal throughout the ages.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span> <span style="color: Navy"> </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: Navy">ਹਰਿ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਦ ਮਾਣਹੁ ਰਲੀਆ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਖ ਖੋਵਹੁ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">har saethee sadh maanahu raleeaa janam maran dhukh khovahu ||</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">Enjoy ecstasy forever with the Lord, and do away with the pains of birth and death.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਜਿਤੁ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਸੁਖਾਂਦੀ ॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">gur sathigur suaamee bhaedh n jaanahu jith mil har bhagath sukhaandhee ||</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">Know that there is no difference between the Guru, the True Guru, and your Lord and Master. Meeting with Him, take pleasure in the Lord's devotional service.</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span> <span style="color: Navy"> </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਚਉਥੈ ਪਹਰੈ ਸਫਲਿਓ*ੁ ਰੈਣਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਦੀ ॥੪॥੧॥੩॥ </span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">kahu naanak praanee chouthhai peharai safalio rain bhagathaa dhee ||4||1||3||</span></p><p><span style="color: Navy">Says Nanak, O mortal, in the fourth watch of the night, the life-night of the devotee is fruitful. ||4||1||3||</span></p><p></p><p>This lyrical passage from the Guru is in SriRaag on Ang 77. It is part of a longer shabad that takes us through understanding the 4 watches of the night (each watch 3 hours of darkness). I am starting with the last, and the 4th watch, for a reason. It is important to keep the end in mind. Everything else leads up to the end, in one's earthly existence and in one's spiritual path.</p><p></p><p>One can read this shabad at the literal level and understand it as the passage of the soul at the end of lfe. What happens after one dies? Or one can read it as a spiritual statement of how the end of the false self transpires and what happens then. Nanak says -- then the life-night of the devotee is fruitful. I take this to mean that the inner light is born in the deepest darkness, when the consciousness of ego falls away.</p><p></p><p>You asked about my expertise. I have none in this area other than continual reading of Guruji and consultation with as many of those Sikhs who share their understanding. </p><p></p><p>Reincarnation refers to the passage of the soul from one stage of being to the next. This in the vedantic traditions most typically refers to the return of the soul to earthly existence in the bodily form of a new life. The soul of the departed returns to live in the shell of another person. </p><p></p><p>When one has not traded with the True Merchant and has not enshrined the light of His Name within one's heart -- then one is not freed from the cycle of life and death. </p><p></p><p>But think also of the shabad above. The death of the self, of the false self, of Haumei, also results in reincarnation, rebirth, and the soul inhabits the heart and the person is renewed. There is a new connection. </p><p></p><p>Reincarnation is a difficult subject and in my humble opinion simplistic approaches to its meaning only lead to a narrow understanding of the Guru. I have much more work to do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 88207, member: 35"] axji To start the discussion, I would like to begin with this part of a shabad from Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj. Then attempt some of your other questions. [COLOR=red] [/COLOR]ਚਉਥੈ ਪਹਰੈ ਰੈਣਿ ਕੈ ਵਣਜਾਰਿਆ ਮਿਤ੍ਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਚਲਣ ਵੇਲਾ ਆਦੀ ॥ chouthhai peharai rain kai vanajaariaa mithraa har chalan vaelaa aadhee || In the fourth watch of the night, O my merchant friend, the Lord announces the time of departure. [COLOR=red] [/COLOR][COLOR=Navy]ਕਰਿ ਸੇਵਹੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਣਜਾਰਿਆ ਮਿਤ੍ਰਾ ਸਭ ਚਲੀ ਰੈਣਿ ਵਿਹਾਦੀ ॥ kar saevahu pooraa sathiguroo vanajaariaa mithraa sabh chalee rain vihaadhee || Serve the Perfect True Guru, O my merchant friend; your entire life-night is passing away. ਹਰਿ ਸੇਵਹੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਖਿਨੁ ਢਿਲ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਕਰਿਹੁ ਜਿਤੁ ਅਸਥਿਰੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਹੋਵਹੁ ॥ har saevahu khin khin dtil mool n karihu jith asathhir jug jug hovahu || Serve the Lord each and every instant-do not delay! You shall become eternal throughout the ages. [/COLOR] [COLOR=Navy] ਹਰਿ ਸੇਤੀ ਸਦ ਮਾਣਹੁ ਰਲੀਆ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਖ ਖੋਵਹੁ ॥ har saethee sadh maanahu raleeaa janam maran dhukh khovahu || Enjoy ecstasy forever with the Lord, and do away with the pains of birth and death. ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਜਿਤੁ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਸੁਖਾਂਦੀ ॥ gur sathigur suaamee bhaedh n jaanahu jith mil har bhagath sukhaandhee || Know that there is no difference between the Guru, the True Guru, and your Lord and Master. Meeting with Him, take pleasure in the Lord's devotional service. [/COLOR] [COLOR=Navy] ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਚਉਥੈ ਪਹਰੈ ਸਫਲਿਓ*ੁ ਰੈਣਿ ਭਗਤਾ ਦੀ ॥੪॥੧॥੩॥ kahu naanak praanee chouthhai peharai safalio rain bhagathaa dhee ||4||1||3|| Says Nanak, O mortal, in the fourth watch of the night, the life-night of the devotee is fruitful. ||4||1||3||[/COLOR] This lyrical passage from the Guru is in SriRaag on Ang 77. It is part of a longer shabad that takes us through understanding the 4 watches of the night (each watch 3 hours of darkness). I am starting with the last, and the 4th watch, for a reason. It is important to keep the end in mind. Everything else leads up to the end, in one's earthly existence and in one's spiritual path. One can read this shabad at the literal level and understand it as the passage of the soul at the end of lfe. What happens after one dies? Or one can read it as a spiritual statement of how the end of the false self transpires and what happens then. Nanak says -- then the life-night of the devotee is fruitful. I take this to mean that the inner light is born in the deepest darkness, when the consciousness of ego falls away. You asked about my expertise. I have none in this area other than continual reading of Guruji and consultation with as many of those Sikhs who share their understanding. Reincarnation refers to the passage of the soul from one stage of being to the next. This in the vedantic traditions most typically refers to the return of the soul to earthly existence in the bodily form of a new life. The soul of the departed returns to live in the shell of another person. When one has not traded with the True Merchant and has not enshrined the light of His Name within one's heart -- then one is not freed from the cycle of life and death. But think also of the shabad above. The death of the self, of the false self, of Haumei, also results in reincarnation, rebirth, and the soul inhabits the heart and the person is renewed. There is a new connection. Reincarnation is a difficult subject and in my humble opinion simplistic approaches to its meaning only lead to a narrow understanding of the Guru. I have much more work to do. [/QUOTE]
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