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The Destiny/Free Will Paradox
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 88550" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipi'">13. hukmy krm kmwvxy pieAY ikriq iPrwau ] (66-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)</span></p><p> [According to the Lord's Command, people perform their actions; they wander around, driven by the karma of their past actions.]</p><p> </p><p></p><p>God gave man free will limited in its own way so that he might choose Him above all, but a free choice involves the possibility of wrong choice; man chose ‘ego’ instead of his real Self, the Life of his life, that is, God. It is quite hard to believe that man has absolute free will in thoughts, actions or deeds. If one were to get the free will in totality and in all absoluteness one shall be trying to replace the basic powers of god who is the originator, sustainer and the ultimate destroyer of the show. Ultimately it is HIS will that should prevail so that this house is in order and the show goes on as per something that is pre-destined and that we cannot fathom. There may be some freedom of action that is in alignment with the basic Hukum of the Lord as to what is the objective of the life and that is stated in Bani at more than one place.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipi'">137.cwir pdwrQ lY jig jnimAwisv skqI Gir vwsu Dry ] </span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipi'"><span style="color: green">(1013-19, mwrU, mÚ 1)</span></span></p><p> One is born to achieve the four great objectives of life. The spirit has taken up its home in the material world.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'">(jIv prmwqmw pwsoN) cwry hI pdwrQ lY ky jgq ivc jMimAw hY (iPr BI pRBU dI b^SS Bulw ky sdw) prmwqmw dI pYdw kIqI mwieAw dy Gr ivc invws r`Kdw hY [ sdw ies ƒ mwieAw dI Bu`K hI cMbVI rihMdI hY, sdw mwieAw dw rwh hI q`kdw rihMdw hY, mwieAw dy moh ivc (Ps ky cOhW pdwrQW ivcoN) mukiq-pdwrQ gvw lYNdw hY [3[</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> At another place the objective of life is also clearly stated.[/FONT]</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipi'">56.jo iqsu BwvY sMmRQ so QIAY hIlVw eyhu sMswro ] </span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipi'"><span style="color: green">(579-6, vfhMsu, mÚ 1)</span></span></p><p> Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him.</p><p> </p><p> I shall conclude that free will is permitted as per the following:</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolKalmi'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolKalmi'"> AwT phr hir ky gux gwau ] </span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolKalmi'"><span style="color: green">(866-3, goNf, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p> Twenty-four hours a day, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord.</p><p> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipi'">jIA pRwn ko iehY suAwau ] </span><span style="font-family: 'AnmolLipi'"><span style="color: green">(866-3, goNf, mÚ 5)</span></span></p><p> This is the purpose of human life.</p><p> </p><p> If there is deviation from this purpose, the concept of free-will will be an illusion causing us to go astray not only this time but next time as well as today shall govern tomorrow as well. Limited free will is permissible within the over all context of HIS will and hukum.</p><p> </p><p> [Note: <em>I had numbered few lines as per my notes and have not deleted them for my reference purpose only</em>.]</p><p> </p><p> E & O E</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 88550, member: 5290"] [FONT=AnmolLipi]13. hukmy krm kmwvxy pieAY ikriq iPrwau ] (66-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 3)[/FONT] [According to the Lord's Command, people perform their actions; they wander around, driven by the karma of their past actions.] God gave man free will limited in its own way so that he might choose Him above all, but a free choice involves the possibility of wrong choice; man chose ‘ego’ instead of his real Self, the Life of his life, that is, God. It is quite hard to believe that man has absolute free will in thoughts, actions or deeds. If one were to get the free will in totality and in all absoluteness one shall be trying to replace the basic powers of god who is the originator, sustainer and the ultimate destroyer of the show. Ultimately it is HIS will that should prevail so that this house is in order and the show goes on as per something that is pre-destined and that we cannot fathom. There may be some freedom of action that is in alignment with the basic Hukum of the Lord as to what is the objective of the life and that is stated in Bani at more than one place. [FONT=AnmolLipi]137.cwir pdwrQ lY jig jnimAwisv skqI Gir vwsu Dry ] [/FONT][FONT=AnmolLipi][COLOR=green](1013-19, mwrU, mÚ 1)[/COLOR][/FONT] One is born to achieve the four great objectives of life. The spirit has taken up its home in the material world. [FONT=AnmolUniPr](jIv prmwqmw pwsoN) cwry hI pdwrQ lY ky jgq ivc jMimAw hY (iPr BI pRBU dI b^SS Bulw ky sdw) prmwqmw dI pYdw kIqI mwieAw dy Gr ivc invws r`Kdw hY [ sdw ies ƒ mwieAw dI Bu`K hI cMbVI rihMdI hY, sdw mwieAw dw rwh hI q`kdw rihMdw hY, mwieAw dy moh ivc (Ps ky cOhW pdwrQW ivcoN) mukiq-pdwrQ gvw lYNdw hY [3[[/FONT] At another place the objective of life is also clearly stated.[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolLipi]56.jo iqsu BwvY sMmRQ so QIAY hIlVw eyhu sMswro ] [/FONT][FONT=AnmolLipi][COLOR=green](579-6, vfhMsu, mÚ 1)[/COLOR][/FONT] Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him. I shall conclude that free will is permitted as per the following: [FONT=AnmolKalmi] AwT phr hir ky gux gwau ] [/FONT][FONT=AnmolKalmi][COLOR=green](866-3, goNf, mÚ 5)[/COLOR][/FONT] Twenty-four hours a day, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord. [FONT=AnmolLipi]jIA pRwn ko iehY suAwau ] [/FONT][FONT=AnmolLipi][COLOR=green](866-3, goNf, mÚ 5)[/COLOR][/FONT] This is the purpose of human life. If there is deviation from this purpose, the concept of free-will will be an illusion causing us to go astray not only this time but next time as well as today shall govern tomorrow as well. Limited free will is permissible within the over all context of HIS will and hukum. [Note: [I]I had numbered few lines as per my notes and have not deleted them for my reference purpose only[/I].] E & O E [/QUOTE]
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