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Discussion in 'Business, Lifestyle & Leisure' started by Scarlet Pimpernel, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. Scarlet Pimpernel

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    Those who are committed to the Naam, see the world as merely a temporary pasture.

    kwm k®oD PUtY ibKu mwtu ]
    Sexual desire and anger are broken, like a jar of poison.

    ibnu vKr sUno Gru hwtu ]
    Without the merchandise of the Name, the house of the body and the store of the mind are empty.gur imil Koly
    bjr kpwt ]4]
    Meeting the Guru, the hard and heavy doors are opened. ||4||
    swDu imlY pUrb sMjog ]
    One meets the Holy Saint only through perfect destiny.
    sic rhsy pUry hir log ]
    The Lord`s perfect people rejoice in the Truth.
    mnu qnu dy lY shij suBwie ]
    Surrendering their minds and bodies, they find the Lord with intuitive ease.


    nwnk iqn kY lwgau pwie ]5]6]
    Guru Nanak falls at their feet. ||5||6||


    We are in Leisure so this is a personal discussion and not Vichaar in the strictest sense of the word.The first line made me think about why it is that a temporal world would have laws which are deemed eternal and not temporal?

    Especially since the time an individual lives is not very long compared to time itself.

    Its like we pull into a rest area whilst on a million mile drive, and then we start to think about which is the best way to get from the parking to the exit and who is the best driver and who built the rest area.When I'm here for just a split second compared to that time before and after my birth.

    One man exterminates millions whilst another spends his whole life in charitable deeds.
    What does anything matter in this pasture halt.Does God even care about what is happening in the pasture halt or is he more concerned with us getting to the other field .

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    Sinner veer great thread. I believe in ways we are like a "Mitti da Bawa" (a clay doll) that comes about from the dirt and goes back into dirt. We leave different imprints with timelines which may influence any or none over time. Here a non-religious video,

    Subhash Sufi Singing Mitti Da Bawa captured by Varinder Loona.mp4 - YouTube

    This just kind of shows of imprints left between humans and others as we come to exist, live and exit.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    spji, the other field is death, unless you are suggesting everlasting life




     
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    Veer ji Thankyou my two Musketeers for entering the fray,I can rely on you always to be my 'first responders'.
    This brief gap called life is a service/rest area on the eternal motorway/freeway.
    Our exit from the break is called death ,the fields are our longlasting abode and I see them as our life real.
     
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    SPJI,

    I disagree brother, but that is not to say you are incorrect or wrong,. My own personal opinion is that this rest area is in fact everything, and after we leave this rest area, there is nothing. This rest area is all we have, all we will ever have. yes, depressing isnt it, I would sometimes love to believe that there is something better afterwards, but having said that, if I knew there was, I think it would influence my attitude to this rest area, and treat it just like a rest area, a brief blip in my complete life, it would become a lucid dream, and I would chase death.
     
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    Veer ji I can count on you even if it is only to disagree,life is so short, look at time the time passed before our birth,or the time elapsed since the pharoahs where did all those billions of Souls go,and more importantly where are those few excellent Souls like Mati daas who gave up this so called life up for their faith,did they not recieve any recognition other than our respect.
    Did you and I start to exist around the 1970's and where were the Guru's before their respective births,how could these giants of our faith not even exist in 1400?
     
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    HH and SP ji, I believe the answer to continuation is in the following,

    The Selfish Gene

    From my own thoughts perspective I would add to it the virtual life we live after death in the imprint we leave in others lives, etc. We are also impacted by similar imprints of others who were before us. Our Guru ji and Sri Guru Granth Sahib being in our face examples of this for Sikhs.
    These are the only parts that connects past, present and the future peacesign
    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Veer Ji I believe many great saints like Baba Budda did not marry,so where is the gene continuation for those most worthy individuals,I agree they left an imprint for others but I also believe they cannot 'die'and they are not just history.
    Time for a visual
    NEVER CRACK JOKES ON SARDARS or Sikhism - YouTube
     
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    SP ji which one would you pick if you have a choice to see yourself continue,

    • A physical replica
    • A spiritual replica
    I will always pick spiritual replica for myself as I rather be 6 ft 2 in, much lighter in skin, with blori eyes (white people eyes) and a chorra (wide face) and chorri shati (wide chest), and some other parts built like lolbut perhaps not good to talk about those lol!

    So Baba Budda ji is more than alive, we just need to define what life is!

    By the way neither is re-incarnation or trans-migration of souls lollol.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Sinner veer forget the kindle :sippingcoffeemunda: and see if you can sort out the following,
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    · B(1) @ Birth 1
    · D(1) @ Death 1
    · L(1) @ Life 1
    · K(1) @ Karma L(1)
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    Note: I will arbitrarily classify state (1) as related to present life. So negative numbers will be past and positive numbers >1 will be future.

    Example 1: Linear continuity of single Karma flow
    ----------@ B(-1), D(-2), L(-1), K(-1) @B(0), D(-1), L(0), K(0) @B(1), D(0), L(1), K(1) @B(2), D(1), L(2), K(2) -------------@

    Example 2: Progressive continuity of many Karma interactions and cross development

    ----------@ B(-1), D(-2), L(-1), K(w) @B(0), D(-1), L(0), K(x) @B(1), D(0), L(1), K(y) @B(2), D(1), L(2), K(z) -------------@

    In Example 2, I can understand and see that K(w), K(x), K(y), K(z) as composite Karmas built from linear in Example 1 as well impacted by your life linkages blood/genetic (physical but possible mental phenomena as well) and virtual (social/cultural/etc., mostly mental but some physical phenomena as well).

    I believe Sikhism not being anti-Science could reconcile with Example 2 versus Example 1.

    Sat Sri Akal.

    PS: I posted it way back and no body could make head or tails out of this.
     
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    Veer ji theriya tuhee jaanai but I will try to think on it, but it looks like I need a code to decipher it. lol

    (Sorry the highlight came through when I pasted it,I could not remove it,),And it's not cold here yet ,it was a beautiful day today ,so no brandy ,but 350 ml White English Wine was prescribed by the mind doctor this evening.
     
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    Dear Ambarsaria Ji

    I commend you on your innovation but will confess I don't think I have grasped the meaning of the equations

    But I am intrigued!!

    What does the "@" symbol in the equation signify?
     
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    When you read Gurbani and hear the deep longing our Guru Sahibans and Bhagats had for our Beloved, and the songs of the pain of that separation, if they had believed that death would 'merge' them with the Beloved I imagine there would be more Gurbani to this effect and a history of suicide or more emphasis on death and dying and hurrying along this moment. If you ache to be with the one you love, you will do almost anything to get rid of the ache and obtain the object of your desire.

    But Gurbani is incredibly life-affirming, and says a great deal more about this life right here right now than it does about the next one. What a nice change from other religious texts, and a very important point of difference.

    However, most people automatically think about after-life, I think it is a psychological reaction to the fear of death and the ego's fear of the abyss. That's one of the reasons Sikhi is a difficult path to tread (sharper than a blade and finer than a hair) because it doesn't pander to the ego like a belief that one is born from a chosen people, or they are going to meet Jesus, or be ressurected in paradise after the day of judgement while those who wronged them burn in hell forever. Gurbani says it like it is.

    This precious human life is our rare chance to meet the Beloved.

    Ish
     
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    Seekr9 ji let us alllow brother Sinner to read his book. I believe one day we will ask spnadmin ji if she would create a merged thread like"Continuation of Life: Past, Present and Future". I believe Sinner ji has great ideas already in this thread and will take charge.

    In terms of the @ symbol, it signifies an instant where there is birth of something, death of something, and what transitions and what happens. So there are physical events of birth and death of a physical being. There are however the non-physical actions that impinge and continue after death and at birth one gets connected to others before and others now.

    So whereas the physical one can trace way-way-back the non-physicals from many impinging one's and how one impinges many is there but highly time dependent and personal. These are memories, learning, the talk, the walk, the look, the smile, the manners, and so much more that makes us human beings.

    This goes human-human and beyond, it becomes interacting creation and that is what one creator created. If you get a "WOW moment", then you understood my message brother.

    Hope it is little clearer. If I can clarify further I will be happy to.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Why should God care? Why aren't you caring about your own life? Perhaps if you stayed away from the brandy and wine you might understand Guruji more ;)
     
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    Ambersariaji,

    I think what you are proposing is that We live, we are influenced by our genes, by the people round us, by various stimulation, and then we die. On death, we live on, as a contribution to others, as others were to us on our birth, and that this is the cycle of birth and death, not a singular soul being born and dying, but many souls and information, and experiences, all intermingling and joining and dividing and creating new souls

    We live on forever through this, but the magic formula that is 'us' dies at death, although elements of it live on to get merged another day
     
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    Findingmyway ji

    I did say it was a service/rest area ,which means one can partake of refreshments,eat ones meals ,take a nap and use washroom amenties:sippingcoffeemunda:
     
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    brother, sister, please let us not turn a wonderful thread that is developing wonderful thoughts on to another debate about alcohol, you are both right, and you are both wrong, but it is a debate that should be aired somewhere else, my opinion only
     
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    Harry Haller my brother ji, hitting the nail right on the head is what you did.

    Not only after death what we do or what we are survived as; but before birth our parents, their parents, their parents, ....; their neighbors, their neighbors, ...; animals at their time, animals at their time, ...; the land at their time, the land at their time, ...; let us cut to the chase "the universe at their time, the universe at their time; etc.

    Oh OK creation from time immemorial to time immemorial. Oh OK the creator from time immemorial to time immemorial.

    That is consonance and creator, creation and us as part of it that I understand. That in part is the diagram representation that I perhaps did not craft so well.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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