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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 49435" data-attributes="member: 313"><p><strong>Re: Taksal A critical Analysis</strong></p><p></p><p>Gurfateh</p><p> </p><p>Das again Thanks Gyani Sahib and his coments have again prevented das from commiting a Kurehit.Das was realy been told one of renowned missionary of Gurmat that it is Hindus or Brahmins conspiracy to divide Sikhs and Muslims and Sikhi rahit as per end of Dasham Granth in which Halal is termed as Haram is work of Bhai Nand Lal and Guru did not prevent us from eating Halal.</p><p> </p><p>Das again thanks Gyani Sahib Ji for help he provided but Halal is sacrifisal only during Id Ul Azha while name of Allah is said otherwise and blood is drained as to let blood(a symbol of life as per Old Testment so Kosher(some Jews are doing kosher of pig also)) be out.Kuran forbades the consumption of blood.If neded Ayats from Suras can be provided. </p><p> </p><p>But das can understand that from Gyani Sahib Ji thing that Allah or Devi do not eat animal and so such things should not be eaten also make sense.</p><p> </p><p>Das will when ever does he meet his Arbic frined will tell him(Arab) that Das will not eat Halal even after painkiller been given to it.</p><p> </p><p>Then coming to Bhai Akashdeep Singh Ji.</p><p> </p><p>As you know that in Taksal Maryada eating cow also is not allowed while das eats beef.So das is not from thier side.</p><p> </p><p>Reason for das's defending AKJ,Taksal or Kala Afghana Ji at occaision has some other reason.That is more an attempt to let fellow Sikh understand the view point of another.</p><p> </p><p>on meat issue Das read work of Talwara Sahib,Das nenve said that Talwara sahid or Bhai Randheer Singh Ji were wrong.Das's preception of Gurbani is differnt then what they prcived.</p><p> </p><p>In Guru Granth Sahib Ji some things about Brahma a demigod is writtan.</p><p>1.Brahma was bron of lotus.</p><p>2.Brahma entered into stem of lotus.</p><p>3.If das is not mistaken Brhama spoke Vedas(as per Hindus four Heads of Brhama are one Veda each).</p><p> </p><p>Thing over here is that there is no Brhama at all for an enlightened Sikh.Then why did Guru wrote all that?</p><p> </p><p>To let Sikhs or non Sikhs get the crux of matter vide examples and understand the absolute Truth vide relative things.</p><p> </p><p>As per scince all humans are not equal more due to genes or variance of environment.</p><p> </p><p>But as per faith or contemprarya social scine of democratic set up all are treated eqauly.But still libral way provide them toi tread best path for them.In autocrartic communists we have differnt types of people been pushed into same work.We call that in Hindi Gadha Gorha Ek Saman({censored} and Horses put alike for same task).</p><p> </p><p>why das diviated from topic comes now over here.</p><p> </p><p>When communsts Singh that this saffron colour cloath was used by Rani Jhansi or Shiva JI which they will use to bring communsion in India(vide Bhagat Singh).It does not mean that left guys have nay link to Shiva ji or Rani Jhansi but to attract thier follower or patriots into left fold(like our member Raj Khalsa thinks of Bhagat Singh as patriot).</p><p> </p><p>Gandhis wearing one Langot also was more to attract poor guys.</p><p> </p><p>So when it comes ot Kachhera as per Hindus also Hanuman never wear Kachhera but Langot.Rath Laal Langot.Read Daiper type thing.</p><p> </p><p>It is more like trinagular cloath.All sides eqaul.FromTip of one angle pointing downward a long strinp of cloath attached,sufficient to cover teh gential of the male.while other two angles have string of cloath attached,to tie it around the waiste.Das himslef is a wrestler and wears this so knows the difreance of Langot and Kachhehara.</p><p> </p><p>And then to make things more clear.To illitrate and people who have never learned Gurbani before.It is difficult to let them understand the minutes thing just at start.At start we have to talk some thing like we are ourself illitrate,and then only do we move closer to the person and preach him truth which needs high intellect.But only after he is motivated to develop that intellect.</p><p> </p><p>It will be strange but truth at Sants them seve may know that there is no sin in meat eating yet they may preach otherwise.Once a Sant went to a Nihung and Nihung was about to eat meat.Nihungs offered same to Sant and Sant ate it after saying Brahm Gyan Bharam Ka Nash.</p><p> </p><p>followers of Sant asked that he preaches to not eat meat to followers and himself ate meat and had company of meat eating Nihung.Then Sant explined them some thing about truth.Avstha or state of mind matters.There are ways to let us reach there.</p><p> </p><p>Das himself tried to talk as missionary talked to das,to a Patit person(who was truch driver and met das at Uttranchal).He told das that he is anparth(uneducated) and can not understand what das is trying to convey.Das only wanted to prove him that Amritdhari can eat meat.</p><p> </p><p>Then with referance given to Sants and talking in stories and many such thing,he was able to understand das's point of view.</p><p> </p><p>So Taksali Baba's or Baba Ranjit Singh Ji may teach something elkse at strat but at higher levle things are told more correclty.</p><p> </p><p>Say to young boy who is in first standard,school staffs will make many stories to prevent him from going to jungle nearby.But once that person is say in 12th Standard.Same school staf may send the same boy in jungle and to get more info of that.</p><p> </p><p>Problem comes when boys of first standard tell 12th standard boys to not to go into Jungle as there could be a lion there(12th Standard guys know that there are no cats even in there).anyway das is honoured to have company of yourself(Brother Akashdeep Singh Ji) and Bhai international Akali.</p><p> </p><p>But to preach Truth is bit difficult then realising that,And Akal willing we all will over come that.Best of luck and Akal bless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 49435, member: 313"] [b]Re: Taksal A critical Analysis[/b] Gurfateh Das again Thanks Gyani Sahib and his coments have again prevented das from commiting a Kurehit.Das was realy been told one of renowned missionary of Gurmat that it is Hindus or Brahmins conspiracy to divide Sikhs and Muslims and Sikhi rahit as per end of Dasham Granth in which Halal is termed as Haram is work of Bhai Nand Lal and Guru did not prevent us from eating Halal. Das again thanks Gyani Sahib Ji for help he provided but Halal is sacrifisal only during Id Ul Azha while name of Allah is said otherwise and blood is drained as to let blood(a symbol of life as per Old Testment so Kosher(some Jews are doing kosher of pig also)) be out.Kuran forbades the consumption of blood.If neded Ayats from Suras can be provided. But das can understand that from Gyani Sahib Ji thing that Allah or Devi do not eat animal and so such things should not be eaten also make sense. Das will when ever does he meet his Arbic frined will tell him(Arab) that Das will not eat Halal even after painkiller been given to it. Then coming to Bhai Akashdeep Singh Ji. As you know that in Taksal Maryada eating cow also is not allowed while das eats beef.So das is not from thier side. Reason for das's defending AKJ,Taksal or Kala Afghana Ji at occaision has some other reason.That is more an attempt to let fellow Sikh understand the view point of another. on meat issue Das read work of Talwara Sahib,Das nenve said that Talwara sahid or Bhai Randheer Singh Ji were wrong.Das's preception of Gurbani is differnt then what they prcived. In Guru Granth Sahib Ji some things about Brahma a demigod is writtan. 1.Brahma was bron of lotus. 2.Brahma entered into stem of lotus. 3.If das is not mistaken Brhama spoke Vedas(as per Hindus four Heads of Brhama are one Veda each). Thing over here is that there is no Brhama at all for an enlightened Sikh.Then why did Guru wrote all that? To let Sikhs or non Sikhs get the crux of matter vide examples and understand the absolute Truth vide relative things. As per scince all humans are not equal more due to genes or variance of environment. But as per faith or contemprarya social scine of democratic set up all are treated eqauly.But still libral way provide them toi tread best path for them.In autocrartic communists we have differnt types of people been pushed into same work.We call that in Hindi Gadha Gorha Ek Saman({censored} and Horses put alike for same task). why das diviated from topic comes now over here. When communsts Singh that this saffron colour cloath was used by Rani Jhansi or Shiva JI which they will use to bring communsion in India(vide Bhagat Singh).It does not mean that left guys have nay link to Shiva ji or Rani Jhansi but to attract thier follower or patriots into left fold(like our member Raj Khalsa thinks of Bhagat Singh as patriot). Gandhis wearing one Langot also was more to attract poor guys. So when it comes ot Kachhera as per Hindus also Hanuman never wear Kachhera but Langot.Rath Laal Langot.Read Daiper type thing. It is more like trinagular cloath.All sides eqaul.FromTip of one angle pointing downward a long strinp of cloath attached,sufficient to cover teh gential of the male.while other two angles have string of cloath attached,to tie it around the waiste.Das himslef is a wrestler and wears this so knows the difreance of Langot and Kachhehara. And then to make things more clear.To illitrate and people who have never learned Gurbani before.It is difficult to let them understand the minutes thing just at start.At start we have to talk some thing like we are ourself illitrate,and then only do we move closer to the person and preach him truth which needs high intellect.But only after he is motivated to develop that intellect. It will be strange but truth at Sants them seve may know that there is no sin in meat eating yet they may preach otherwise.Once a Sant went to a Nihung and Nihung was about to eat meat.Nihungs offered same to Sant and Sant ate it after saying Brahm Gyan Bharam Ka Nash. followers of Sant asked that he preaches to not eat meat to followers and himself ate meat and had company of meat eating Nihung.Then Sant explined them some thing about truth.Avstha or state of mind matters.There are ways to let us reach there. Das himself tried to talk as missionary talked to das,to a Patit person(who was truch driver and met das at Uttranchal).He told das that he is anparth(uneducated) and can not understand what das is trying to convey.Das only wanted to prove him that Amritdhari can eat meat. Then with referance given to Sants and talking in stories and many such thing,he was able to understand das's point of view. So Taksali Baba's or Baba Ranjit Singh Ji may teach something elkse at strat but at higher levle things are told more correclty. Say to young boy who is in first standard,school staffs will make many stories to prevent him from going to jungle nearby.But once that person is say in 12th Standard.Same school staf may send the same boy in jungle and to get more info of that. Problem comes when boys of first standard tell 12th standard boys to not to go into Jungle as there could be a lion there(12th Standard guys know that there are no cats even in there).anyway das is honoured to have company of yourself(Brother Akashdeep Singh Ji) and Bhai international Akali. But to preach Truth is bit difficult then realising that,And Akal willing we all will over come that.Best of luck and Akal bless. [/QUOTE]
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