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India Suraj Muni Dera Head Killed

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  1. Kanwaljit Singh

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    Source - http://www.livepunjab.com/node/20765

    Suraj Muni, who faced Sikhs outrage after throwing Guru Granth Sahib into the canal, was brutally murdered in his hut by some unidentified persons on Monday 11th June.

    Some few months down the line Suraj Muni threw a copy of Guru Granth Sahib into a canal on the Malout-Dabwali road. He was then triggered by the Sikh protesters and later arrested by Haryana Police for hurting religious sentiments of the people.

    Suraj Muni was later granted bail and since then he was the resident of his dera. Police initiated quick measures after they found his blood soaked body lying in his hut by calling forensic science experts and deployed additional force in anticipating of any reaction from the locality.

    According to the Police, three unidentified persons at 11 A.M entered into the dera of Suraj Muni in Ward 16 at Peelibanga in neighbouring Hanumangarh and attached him with sharp edged weapons and subsequently killing him.

    Daleep Jakhar, Additional Superintendent of Police said that they have detained some suspicious persons for interrogation. However nothing concrete has been found so far and the investigation is still going on.
     
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    All the other sites give a different story. Identified Sikhs took surrendered to the Police in the nearest Police Station together with their bloodied weapons and clothing and confessed. The 3 killers went straight to the police after the killing. How could a person surrendering be called :unidentified"...esp after they surrender, gave their names, village address etc, within an hour of the alleged crime.
     
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    Yes, but still I don't believe it is for good:
    • It is still a Taliban like act
    • Adds fuel to the fire that Sikhs are extremists
    • It doesn't propogate the importance of Guru Granth Sahib
     
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    Dera head killed for desecration of Guru Granth Sahib – 3 Singhs surrender

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    Ganganagar, Rajasthan, June 11 (YP Bureau)


    A Controversial Dera head, who had been in the news for desecrating Shri Guru Granth Sahib earlier this year, was Monday killed in Peelibanga (Rajasthan) by three Singhs with sharp-edged weapons.

    After the act, all three walked to a police station and confessed having killed the Dera head.

    The three Singhs have been identified as Naginder Singh of Sehna in Punjab, Gursewak Singh of Dhoolkot in Punjab and Nirmal Singh of Kharlia in Rajasthan.

    The dead Dera head has been identified as Suraj Muni, originally from Haryana, who had established his Dera in Ward No. 16 at Peelibanga in Hanumangarh, Rajasthan about thirty years ago.

    The incident happened Monday at about 11 in the morning when three people forced their entry in the Dera of Suraj Muni, attacked him with sharp-edged weapons and went to the police station after making it sure that the Muni was dead.

    Police found Muni’s body in a pool of blood with most of the injuries on his neck. His body was shifted to Hospital for autopsy. Forensic experts were called in.

    Suraj Muni (60) was allegedly responsible for the desecration of various Saroops of Guru Granth Sahib ji. The incident which happened in February, this year, had shocked Sikhs living all over the world and protests were held against the Muni at a number of places in India and abroad.

    The Saroops of Guru Sahib were found from a sack floating in a canal on Malout-Dabwali Road while two Saroops wer found stacked on the floor. The ‘Angs’ of Guru Granth Sahib ji were torn apart and ripped before throwing the Saroops away in the canal.

    Suraj Muni and some of his associates were booked and arrested for the desecration of Shri Guru Granth Sahib and for playing with sentiments of the Sikh community. He had reportedly confessed his crime but was released on bail just 10 days ago.

    The situation is said to be tense in Peelibanga and the adjoining areas in Ganganagar.

    An official at Ganga Nagar confided that the administration was also fed up with the working style of the Dera and the Dera Head but could not dare to take any action to stop the illegal activities of the Dera Chief, because of the large following he had.

    ‘The Dera was constructed illegally over Government land and the Dera Chief had acted in ways that were against the law’, he said.

    Fearing violence against the Sikh Community, a large contingent of Police are camping in the village as Sikhs in large numbers were said to be present in the Police Station, as reports last came in.

    source: http://www.yespunjab.com/national/t...ion-of-guru-granth-sahib-–-3-singhs-surrender
     
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    Kanwaljit Singh ji thanks for your original post.

    In reference to the above I believe Sikhs need to make up their mind on couple of points.

    We also need to make it clear to others who may not understand or relate to Sikhism's attachment and linkages to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    Question is the following,

    • Is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji our living Guru?
      • If Yes then the next point
      • If No then I assume all respect and sanctity as shown towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has to stop!
        • Let us start acting like the sect starting with letter "N" and start treating it like just a book!
        • Just thinking aloud and not to be dis-respectful
    • If the answer is yes then let us compare it to a persona of one of the Guru ji's,
      • Someone desecrates and damages Guru Nanak Dev ji. We are supposed to just stand there and watch in case there is a label put on us.
      • OR we out of respect and love for our Guru ji protect them even to the point of eliminating danger or person doing so to Guru ji
    Whereas violence is never the preferred answer, all people take actions as they see fit even at the risks of their own lives. Such acts are justified in some people's minds and are never justified in others. That is what makes all of us different. Arm chair coaching and commentary in such situations is as useful as nipples on a bull!

    What you think!peacesign

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    Perfactyl said, Sir. We need the second approch only.


     
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    Respected Ambarsariaji

    We cannot have it both ways, We cannot talk about Sikhism being a forgiving and loving religion in one breath, and then talk of eliminating people in the next. Is there anything holy about three young Sikhs killing a defenceless old man?

    If the idea and point of Sikhism is to attempt to behave in a manner that our Gurus behaved, then I would point out that in my view the Gurus were above revenge and hate, When the fifth and ninth masters were executed, which symbolically is what happened here, I do not recall history showing any great cry for revenge, if anything, the deaths were dealt with by showing resilience, understanding, love.

    I sympathise with the three Sikhs that did this, but there is a bigger picture here, three young wonderful lives have been ruined, the lives of associated family members have been ruined, all for the revenge directed towards a pathetic old man. Is this Hukam? Can we say that the three Sikhs acted in accordance with Sikh belief? If the tenth master were alive today, would he have blessed them, encouraged them?

    I have no feelings towards the deceased, in my view, taking the actions he took, he was dead already, but the tragic waste of young youth, of young lives, sorry, but it is a price too high to pay for revenge. peacesign
     
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    EXACTLY my friend....

    Its PERFECTLY TIMED..for the hysteria being built up...by the Media, the Agencies, debates etc going on and on...Ops Bluestar was a mistake..its memorial will highlight terrorists..miscrenats..it makes Hindus "TERRIFIED" ..and it makes Sikh "scared".... ( Punjab Congress Leader jakharr memo to Home Minister).....blah blah blah..the MISINFORMATION DRILL is going on FULL SPEED..and NOW all these can point their HANDS (not fingers) and scream..WE TOLD YOU SO..These Sikhs are terrorists..murderers..give them a memorial and they begin murdering again..blah blah blah...a SINISTER PLOT is in MOTION....

    2. Such acts dont add to satikaar of sggs..right. See Sikh history. Guru Amardass ji was kicked in sangat...none of the sangat or Guru Ji attacked back...in fact Guru Amardass ji massaged the foot of the kicker...Guru ramdass ji wiped the feet of Sri chand the Udasi rebel son of Guru Nanak Ji....There is a place and time for GENUINE SATIKAAR..and that is on ways and means to make sure ALL SIKHS FOLLOW the TEACHINGS of SGGS to the letter...adopt the Gurus words as PRACTICAL MEANS to improve your daily life..DISCARD ALL ungurmatt rituals and acts..drinking, bhangras, wild dancings, lachar geets, wild parties, drunken riots called wedding dinners..rakhrrees, holis, diwalis, karva chauths,shani fears and shukkar chholay parshaads, hanuman chalisas, fake saadhs fake gurdoms derawaadee rituals..etc etc etc..which are turning us into Keshadharee HINDUS and Fake SIKHS..pakhandees of the highest order...Fake satikaar is just as bad as fake Sikhi...SEE REALITY..despite HUMONGOUS Kirtan darbaars, HUGE Nagar Kirtans, saadhs banging dholkis chhenneas to thousands of sikhs..Hundreds of thousands of continous Paaths, akhand paaths, ardasses being done daily...Sikhs are going farther and farther form the GURU...who is increasingly being kept closed and far away as possible via Printing Acts, satikaar committees and such so as to separate the SIKH form His GURU...How many sikh youths are in jail for the sauda saadh case..how many dharmee faujis lost everything, 1984 victims, etc etc..hind chilarr, so many such "terrors" committed on SIKHS..and the victims are being IGNORED...we are Chasing SHADOWS...when we shouldl be standing TALL behind SGGS all the WAY.:swordfight-kudiyan:One SAADH died..3 Sikh Youth will be also "gone forever"...what CHANGES ?? NOTHING except we get one more black mark on our IMAGE..:swordfight-kudiyan:animatedkhanda1
     
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    I remember a point that a kathavachik made.....

    "If someone goes to destroy even one brick of Akhal Takht people go crazy with anger and talk about badla, but if you ask them are you willing to accept the Akhal Takht Rehat Maryada they say nah babaa naah not for us!"

    People have strong emotions to protect a faith they themselves know little of and thus, the image of the kaum gets tarnished further in the name of the actions these individual do.
     
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    After going thro all above views, what we will term the Battle of Sirhind fought by Baba Banda Singh jee. Which was only to take revenge of Shaheedee of young Sahebjadas from the rulers of Sirhind.
     
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    I do not believe it was one of our finer moments of war, and given the Tenth Master was so impressed with the actions of Bhai Kanhaiya, I do not believe it would have taken place in the manner that it did, had he been alive
     
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    Did GURU Hargobind sahib wage WAR to seek revenge ?? NO He DID NOT...in fact He befriended Jehangir.
    Did Guru Gobind Singh Wage WAR to avenge Guru teg bahadur Ji ?? NO He didnt.
    Guru Gobind Singh befriended Bahadur Shah the son of Aurengzeb...

    Baba Banda Singh ji was NOT solely to seek revenge..that was Collateral damage..Sirhind was the HEAD OF HIND...much more vital than even Lahore...and thats why it was necessary to Attack and demolish SIRHIND..the HEAD in order to begin laying down the Roots of KHALSA RAAJ. Baba banda singh PUNISHED the terrors...in OPEN WARFARE among EQUALS...

    Fast Forward to maharaja Ranjit Singh..NOT a SINGLE Death sentence/punishment meted out during entire 50 year reign....NOT even to the Gov of Multan who rebelled repeatedly..and after each defeat would BEG Forgiveness..be REINSTATED as gov of Multan..and the REBEL again..and the Maharaj would FORGIVE again...

    Massa Ranghharr was a POWERFUL FIGURE...killed by 2 Sikhs...compared to this old saadh..feeble old man...I still think this incident is a LINK in the ONGOING "criminalsation of Sikhs"...to give Bad publicity to Sikhs as terrorists, murderers,.OR JUST BAD TIMING...
     
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    Gyanni jee,
    Than what alternative we have in hand. What they should have done???????

    Gone to the said Baba and ask him to change his attitude and in return could have got killed by Baba' goons or Police bullets. We are not living in the Guru Sahibans era. There was no media at all during those periods. Today our smallest action changes the whole sceniro and we are always labelled as culprits. No justise is possible from todays media and the present Govt. + political parties in India for us Sikhs.

    Here, we dont get justice for 1984 riots after 28 yrs. but IG's killers were martyered within a year. Irony of our fate............

    Could you please suggest some good and practical alternatives for these actions.
     
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    hardip Veer Ji..
    My solution is ..Parchaar...parchaar and more parchaar..EDUCATION..education and more EDUCATION. The SIKH MASSES are in a almost CRIMINAL state of UN-EDUCATION, MIS-PARCHAARED..Miseducated, misinformed..wallowing in the MUD of Rituals, sherab, drugs, derawaad, gurudoms,bowing at each corner pipal tree, mulsim grave, photo of devis mandir doors, mandir steps, nishan sahib tharras, gurdwara steps, drinking form chhaparrs, sarovars, feet washing chubachas..rubbing ashes form this thalia nd that mandir on their foreheads, keeping fasts, banging their heads against walls..ALL DUE TO NO PARCHAAR...NO EDUCATION 0- Both Sansaree and Gurmatt/spiritual...where-ever there is a some semblance of "education/gurmatt"..it turns out to be some dera/academy/sach khoj/baru sahib etc which is in fact MISLEADING and MISINFORMING in the name of some dead sant/mahapurash etc and manufacturing ROTE PARROTS who think doing so many hundred paaths of mool mantar or sukhmani sahib will result in this miracle or that...ROBOTS even more worse than those who dont even go past a gurdwara !!...KOI HARIO BOOT RAHIO REE ?? Is there a green tree in the Burning FOREST ??

    EACH SIKH must LOOK WITHIN....begin INNER TRANSFORMATION...as the GURU SAHIBS TAUGHT US...we make a huge mistake when we think..OH we are NOT in "Guru Sahibs time"..we cannot do what they did...the Fact is GURUS TIME is NEVER ENDING...Today is the TIME of SGGS..OUR GURU...and we NEED to GO BACK TO OUR GURU for DIRECTION..not listen to some Jathedar nandgarrh or some Baba daduwaal..or Simranjit mann...cant we see what happened to the Brave Youths who lsitened to nandgahrrh and went after the sauda saadh....They are languishing in a rotten jail..useless to their families, useless to themselves, future destroyed..while nandgarrh is still in same position..free to give fiery speeches...ONLY SHEEP blindly follow others..LIONS go their OWN WAY...a Single THUGGH changed to SAJJANN didnt solve the THUGGH problem forever.. neither did the vienna incident solve all such "problems"...SUCH PROBLEMS cant be solved by murderin these ras.cals...we have to EMPOWER THE SIKH MASSES..so each SIKH knows exactly what GURU TEACHES. ( Guru hargobind Sahib ji could have easily sent a few Sikhs to go murder Chandu..or any other miscreant...Guru Ji DIDNT do any such thing..Guru Ji set about EMPOWERING the SIKHS...so that EACH SIKH became a "GURU ARJUN" in deeds and actions...that EMPOWERMENT is the reason HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of GURU ARJUNS were produced...right till TODAY !! There is a place and a time for each action...we have to be so strong that we PITY such foolish Saadhs just as the Sikhs pitied Chandu for his stupidity...gangu for his stupidity...and the WORLD will support US all the way...KILL them..and we become ordinary revenge seeking humans...
     
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    Thanks for the true advise. Thats just what our SGGS jee says. So, lets not waste time and each one of us start following the above and educating our brotherhood. Gurfateh jee.
     
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