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<blockquote data-quote="Original" data-source="post: 201529" data-attributes="member: 14400"><p>Thank you Chaz Ji -</p><p></p><p>For clarity and conclusion, I say as follows:</p><p></p><p>First n foremost, what I'm doing on this forum ? Good question !</p><p></p><p>One day back in 2011, I was surfing the net for philosophical and legal research based work when I came across SPN. Rest is history, but I quite enjoy the communal chit-chat with like minded individuals and is, the only window I look through for social networking. Also, Gurbani at my age [57] is not only contemplative but transcending consciousness imperative for the permanent home 2b.</p><p></p><p>I think it's fair to say that the choosing of path and the circumstance hasn't always been my own, but rather, Akal Purakh's.</p><p></p><p>The Guru's were no more than mortal men who through divine intervention preached the word of God. Their testimony and mystical experiences are recorded in SGGSJ, which to me is holy and as such, I treat. Over the years I've come to understand Gurbani in as much not to question but to enjoy.</p><p></p><p>I speak of the fight flight syndrome in an existence pre-dating the modern man to illustrate the nature of "courage" and why as an inbuilt trait it was necessary for survival. Again, purely from a biological perspective and not spiritual.</p><p></p><p><strong>Attending to matters at hand</strong>:</p><p></p><p>I feel you're an individual who is at a level of such wonderful spiritual transition and understanding, which comes through karmic cultivations of body, mind and soul, over eons. Of course, all mortals must aspire to and will one day attain to, but are not per se at that level yet. I wholly n solely agree with everything you say in substance but not in context.</p><p></p><p>For example, IJ Singh's Ego write up. That article was written as an intellectual exercise and not a spiritual discussion. And, I think the point IJ Singh Ji wanted to put across was, a little bit of ego is necessary in everyday life as well as being an evolutionary trait for humans in their struggle for survival [darwanian evolution]. In my view you took it out of context and red-ringed it as spiritual, whereby references to SGGSJ were made. Yes, had it been a complete spiritual matter, then of course, you'd be the one to take the bull by the horn, but as it stood, it wasn't a spiritual essay per se and such required human cognizance for evaluation and not spiritual deliberation. Similarly, you did likewise in "thoughts of the moment" when I went on to narrate an incident re "bullying" and you construed it to read "Singh is King" albeit camouflaged to militate desired objective. </p><p></p><p>If I was to confess, it'll be to hold you so high as to make you a "model Sikh" for others to aspire to. I say it with consent and conviction from a spiritual perspective and, the undercurrent with which Nanak's Sikism is flowing or is intended to flow. But the reality is Chaz, all humans are not equal in their spiritual and intellectual constitution, which is why elevating them to a level where they do begin to appreciate and understand spiritual concepts becomes a task for the contemplative mind such as your own. Then they will begin to see Waheguru in all and everything. To get to that level you need divine intervention as well as personal inclination, devotion and commitment. And, you yourself, demonstrate that through and through. Sadly though, I feel you let yourself get entangled with nitty gritty matters of physical substance which would otherwise be repelled by your spiritual awareness were you to exercise an open-mind policy and treat inborn inequalities as a natural consequence.</p><p></p><p>Moving on with what need to be said, I'd like to invite you to consider the following antecedent in an intellectual mode:</p><p></p><p>"...here I am, conversing with you on my IPad; how, why and who kind of questions will satisfy a philosophical appetite in me trying to understand the whole SPN palaver, but, what about those souls who have made it possible for me to converse with you via this hand-held device [IPad] from the comfort of my home ? The scientists who identified the laws of nature that underpins their achievements, the investors who converted those laws into usable technology, the entrepreneurs who organised the factors of production to manufacture this device and make it available in the marketplace. None of these people are, according to the so called spiritual experts and religious pontificates <strong>"humanitarians"</strong>. Why ? Because they are classed as egoistical, materialistic and in pursuit of fame, fortune and the rest. And yet, if making human existence fruitful and reducing suffering as desirable commodities, then what act of compassion for these people could rival what has given them, not out of pity or kindness for humanity but for their passion, self-interest [ego] to achieve and to make money in the process ?</p><p></p><p>We do not hear the term "compassionate" applied to them, certainly not when they are engaged in their normal work as opposed to those who are engaged in philanthropic activities. Yet in terms of results in the measureable form of jobs created, lives enriched, like your and mine with this medium, a handful of capitalists [SPN, albeit non-profit making with altruistic motive] have done infinitely more for humankind than all the self-serving institutions put together. Isn't their ego a must for them to be achievers and for humanity to tick? </p><p></p><p>The moral of what I'm saying is that a relatively small number of investors and capitalists [egoistical] have made incalculable contributions to human welfare and human wellbeing and yet are not considered what most people think of as God-fearing because they have been branded as disillusioned souls. They are not factored into the moral equation because ancient cultures teaches that morality is self-sacrifice and that compassion, pity, egoless and service to others are the ultimate good, whereas, self-esteem [hauema], innovation, ambition and the rest are illusions created. But nevertheless, whatever standards are employed to judge human wellbeing in this day n age, then surely, the contributions made by enthusiasts, entrepreneurs and the rest is beyond measure for they are indispensable.</p><p></p><p>Both you and I ought to be grateful to them for making it possible for us to be connected unendingly to Gurbani. Let us pray for them and request Waheguru to bring them to a pinnacle point of perfection, where they too see and realise the wisdom of Chaz.</p><p></p><p>Goodnight and Godbless</p><p></p><p>PS start another thread if you like, these have died a death.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Original, post: 201529, member: 14400"] Thank you Chaz Ji - For clarity and conclusion, I say as follows: First n foremost, what I'm doing on this forum ? Good question ! One day back in 2011, I was surfing the net for philosophical and legal research based work when I came across SPN. Rest is history, but I quite enjoy the communal chit-chat with like minded individuals and is, the only window I look through for social networking. Also, Gurbani at my age [57] is not only contemplative but transcending consciousness imperative for the permanent home 2b. I think it's fair to say that the choosing of path and the circumstance hasn't always been my own, but rather, Akal Purakh's. The Guru's were no more than mortal men who through divine intervention preached the word of God. Their testimony and mystical experiences are recorded in SGGSJ, which to me is holy and as such, I treat. Over the years I've come to understand Gurbani in as much not to question but to enjoy. I speak of the fight flight syndrome in an existence pre-dating the modern man to illustrate the nature of "courage" and why as an inbuilt trait it was necessary for survival. Again, purely from a biological perspective and not spiritual. [B]Attending to matters at hand[/B]: I feel you're an individual who is at a level of such wonderful spiritual transition and understanding, which comes through karmic cultivations of body, mind and soul, over eons. Of course, all mortals must aspire to and will one day attain to, but are not per se at that level yet. I wholly n solely agree with everything you say in substance but not in context. For example, IJ Singh's Ego write up. That article was written as an intellectual exercise and not a spiritual discussion. And, I think the point IJ Singh Ji wanted to put across was, a little bit of ego is necessary in everyday life as well as being an evolutionary trait for humans in their struggle for survival [darwanian evolution]. In my view you took it out of context and red-ringed it as spiritual, whereby references to SGGSJ were made. Yes, had it been a complete spiritual matter, then of course, you'd be the one to take the bull by the horn, but as it stood, it wasn't a spiritual essay per se and such required human cognizance for evaluation and not spiritual deliberation. Similarly, you did likewise in "thoughts of the moment" when I went on to narrate an incident re "bullying" and you construed it to read "Singh is King" albeit camouflaged to militate desired objective. If I was to confess, it'll be to hold you so high as to make you a "model Sikh" for others to aspire to. I say it with consent and conviction from a spiritual perspective and, the undercurrent with which Nanak's Sikism is flowing or is intended to flow. But the reality is Chaz, all humans are not equal in their spiritual and intellectual constitution, which is why elevating them to a level where they do begin to appreciate and understand spiritual concepts becomes a task for the contemplative mind such as your own. Then they will begin to see Waheguru in all and everything. To get to that level you need divine intervention as well as personal inclination, devotion and commitment. And, you yourself, demonstrate that through and through. Sadly though, I feel you let yourself get entangled with nitty gritty matters of physical substance which would otherwise be repelled by your spiritual awareness were you to exercise an open-mind policy and treat inborn inequalities as a natural consequence. Moving on with what need to be said, I'd like to invite you to consider the following antecedent in an intellectual mode: "...here I am, conversing with you on my IPad; how, why and who kind of questions will satisfy a philosophical appetite in me trying to understand the whole SPN palaver, but, what about those souls who have made it possible for me to converse with you via this hand-held device [IPad] from the comfort of my home ? The scientists who identified the laws of nature that underpins their achievements, the investors who converted those laws into usable technology, the entrepreneurs who organised the factors of production to manufacture this device and make it available in the marketplace. None of these people are, according to the so called spiritual experts and religious pontificates [B]"humanitarians"[/B]. Why ? Because they are classed as egoistical, materialistic and in pursuit of fame, fortune and the rest. And yet, if making human existence fruitful and reducing suffering as desirable commodities, then what act of compassion for these people could rival what has given them, not out of pity or kindness for humanity but for their passion, self-interest [ego] to achieve and to make money in the process ? We do not hear the term "compassionate" applied to them, certainly not when they are engaged in their normal work as opposed to those who are engaged in philanthropic activities. Yet in terms of results in the measureable form of jobs created, lives enriched, like your and mine with this medium, a handful of capitalists [SPN, albeit non-profit making with altruistic motive] have done infinitely more for humankind than all the self-serving institutions put together. Isn't their ego a must for them to be achievers and for humanity to tick? The moral of what I'm saying is that a relatively small number of investors and capitalists [egoistical] have made incalculable contributions to human welfare and human wellbeing and yet are not considered what most people think of as God-fearing because they have been branded as disillusioned souls. They are not factored into the moral equation because ancient cultures teaches that morality is self-sacrifice and that compassion, pity, egoless and service to others are the ultimate good, whereas, self-esteem [hauema], innovation, ambition and the rest are illusions created. But nevertheless, whatever standards are employed to judge human wellbeing in this day n age, then surely, the contributions made by enthusiasts, entrepreneurs and the rest is beyond measure for they are indispensable. Both you and I ought to be grateful to them for making it possible for us to be connected unendingly to Gurbani. Let us pray for them and request Waheguru to bring them to a pinnacle point of perfection, where they too see and realise the wisdom of Chaz. Goodnight and Godbless PS start another thread if you like, these have died a death. [/QUOTE]
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