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Gurbani (14-53)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
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Gurbani (489-503)
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Gurbani (660-685)
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Gurbani (696-703)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
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Gurbani (721-727)
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Gurbani (795-831)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
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Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
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Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
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Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
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Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
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Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 105949" data-attributes="member: 35"><p><strong>Re: Why Sikhism?</strong></p><p></p><p>Lee ji</p><p></p><p>This is not what you asked for, but rather it is a shabad from Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Just one in which Guru Nanak is clearly addressing an all-powerful as distinct from himself. </p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span></span><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"><> siq nwmu krqw purKu inrBau inrvYru Akwl mUriq AjUnI sYBM gur pRswid ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> ik oa(n)kaar sath n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>m karath<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> p<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>rakh n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span>rabho n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span>rav<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span>r ak<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>l m<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>oo</strong></span></span>rath aj<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>oo</strong></span></span>n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> s<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span>bha(n) g<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>r pras<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>dh ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru’s Grace ~</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">] jpu ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> || jap ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Chant And Meditate:</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">Awid scu jugwid scu ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> <span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>dh sach j<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>g<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>dh sach ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu ]1]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> bh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> sach n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>nak h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span>s<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> bh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> sach ||1||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> s<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span>ch<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> s<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span>ch n h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span>v<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> j<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ae</strong></span></span> s<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span>ch<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> lakh v<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>r ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> ch<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>p<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> ch<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>p n h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span>v<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> j<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ae</strong></span></span> l<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>e reh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> l<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span>v th<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>r ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">BuiKAw BuK n auqrI jy bMnw purIAw Bwr ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> bh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>kh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> bh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>kh n o<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>thar<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> j<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ae</strong></span></span> ba(n)n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> p<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>r<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> bh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>r ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">shs isAwxpw lK hoih q iek n clY nwil ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> sehas s<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>nap<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> lakh h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span>h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span> th e<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span>k n chal<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>l ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> k<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span>v sach<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>r<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>o</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> k<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span>v k<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>oo</strong></span></span>rr<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> th<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>tt<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ai</strong></span></span> p<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>l ||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1]</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> h<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>u</strong></span></span>kam raj<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>ee</strong></span></span> chalan<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>nak l<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span>kh<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i</strong></span></span><span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span> n<span style="color: #080088"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>aa</strong></span></span>l ||1||</span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></span> <span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">We have had many discussions on SPN about Sikhism being akin to atheism, to pantheism, to panentheism. Yet in this shabad and many others Guru Nanak is clearly describing a powerful creator, and doing so in a way that suggests submission to a greater power that has personal significance. </span></span><span style="color: Black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><em>O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||</em></span></span></p><p></p><p>In defense of atheists, they do enjoy mincing about on the subject of just who exactly they are and what exactly they do not believe in. It is a kind of mental exercise designed to clarify the meanings of concepts. Really from my reading on the subject, it is self-proclaimed atheists who make the argument both interesting and maddening as they p{censored} out their self-imposed rules of construction for rejecting the existence of God, gods, gods now, gods not yet discovered and on and on. The problem becomes our problem for discussion when we think we must buy into their grammar for explaining their disbelief. </p><p></p><p>Well my 2 cents. I predict that at some point someone will say that if God is everything and God is nothing, the sarguna/nirguna analogy, then God does not exist. This is another tortured analogy. Sat Nam.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 105949, member: 35"] [b]Re: Why Sikhism?[/b] Lee ji This is not what you asked for, but rather it is a shabad from Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Just one in which Guru Nanak is clearly addressing an all-powerful as distinct from himself. [SIZE=5][COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]<> siq nwmu krqw purKu inrBau inrvYru Akwl mUriq AjUnI sYBM gur pRswid ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] ik oa(n)kaar sath n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]m karath[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] p[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]rakh n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]rabho n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]rav[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]r ak[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]l m[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]oo[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]rath aj[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]oo[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] s[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]bha(n) g[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]r pras[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]dh || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru’s Grace ~[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]] jpu ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] || jap || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]Chant And Meditate:[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]Awid scu jugwid scu ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] [COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]dh sach j[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]g[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]dh sach || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu ]1] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] bh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] sach n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]nak h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]s[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] bh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] sach ||1|| [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]socY soic n hoveI jy socI lK vwr ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] s[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]ch[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] s[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]ch n h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]v[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] j[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ae[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] s[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]ch[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] lakh v[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]r || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]By thinking, He cannot be reduced to thought, even by thinking hundreds of thousands of times.[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]cupY cup n hoveI jy lwie rhw ilv qwr ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] ch[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]p[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] ch[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]p n h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]v[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] j[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ae[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] l[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]e reh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] l[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]v th[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]r || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]By remaining silent, inner silence is not obtained, even by remaining lovingly absorbed deep within.[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]BuiKAw BuK n auqrI jy bMnw purIAw Bwr ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] bh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]kh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] bh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]kh n o[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]thar[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] j[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ae[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] ba(n)n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] p[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]r[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] bh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]r || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]The hunger of the hungry is not appeased, even by piling up loads of worldly goods.[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]shs isAwxpw lK hoih q iek n clY nwil ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] sehas s[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]nap[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] lakh h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] th e[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]k n chal[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]l || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]Hundreds of thousands of clever tricks, but not even one of them will go along with you in the end.[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]ikv sicAwrw hoeIAY ikv kUVY qutY pwil ] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] k[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]v sach[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]r[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]o[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] k[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]v k[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]oo[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]rr[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] th[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]tt[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ai[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] p[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]l || [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away?[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]hukim rjweI clxw nwnk iliKAw nwil ]1] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial] h[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]u[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]kam raj[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]ee[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] chalan[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]nak l[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]kh[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]i[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] n[COLOR=#080088][FONT=Verdana][B]aa[/B][/FONT][/COLOR]l ||1|| [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1|| [/I] We have had many discussions on SPN about Sikhism being akin to atheism, to pantheism, to panentheism. Yet in this shabad and many others Guru Nanak is clearly describing a powerful creator, and doing so in a way that suggests submission to a greater power that has personal significance. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=Black][FONT=Arial][I]O Nanak, it is written that you shall obey the Hukam of His Command, and walk in the Way of His Will. ||1||[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] In defense of atheists, they do enjoy mincing about on the subject of just who exactly they are and what exactly they do not believe in. It is a kind of mental exercise designed to clarify the meanings of concepts. Really from my reading on the subject, it is self-proclaimed atheists who make the argument both interesting and maddening as they p{censored} out their self-imposed rules of construction for rejecting the existence of God, gods, gods now, gods not yet discovered and on and on. The problem becomes our problem for discussion when we think we must buy into their grammar for explaining their disbelief. Well my 2 cents. I predict that at some point someone will say that if God is everything and God is nothing, the sarguna/nirguna analogy, then God does not exist. This is another tortured analogy. Sat Nam. [/QUOTE]
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