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<blockquote data-quote="Shaheediyan" data-source="post: 56463" data-attributes="member: 2867"><p><strong>Re: Sikh...Islam...</strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">What a friendly response bunch of people you are on this forum.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, who is inventing things here:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: magenta">"I have no idea if you understand the meaning of metaphors or not. From your posts it seems you donot. </span><span style="color: magenta">You mean SGGS is not full of metaphors? The verse below you mentioned in one of your posts is filled with metaphors."</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="color: black">What I actually and "specifically " said:</span> </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">""There is no hidden meaning veer ji, the holy words that I posted from Sri Dasam Guru Darbar are fact, not a metaphor."</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #0000ff">Now kindly read the tuks I clearly refered you to, read your definition of metaphor, and tell me whether these are metaphors or facts:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000080">"ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਥਾਪੇ ॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #000080">Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Establisher Lord!</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਪਾਲੇ ॥੨੦॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080">Salutation to Thee O Annihilator Lord! Salutation to Thee O All-sustainer Lord!20</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“</span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਭੰਗੀ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਮਾਥੇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਮਸਤੀ</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਿਭੂਤੇ</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪੯॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Omnipotent Lord! Salutation to Thee O Greatest to All Lord!”</span></span>."</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">Is Akaal Purkh, whom we are praising not all these things....? Now show me where is the metaphor?</span></p><p> </p><p>You say:</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: magenta">"First please put the meaning of the verses you post in any forum. Secondly in the above verse I could not find the meaning,' GOd is a destoryer'."</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black">I am not sure why you posted that shabd, if you read my previous post, the tuks I posted were:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000080">""<a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਏਕਾ" target="_blank"> <span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: navy">ਏਕਾ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਾਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: navy">ਮਾਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੁਗਤਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: navy">ਜੁਗਤਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਿਆਈ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: navy">ਵਿਆਈ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਨਿ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: navy">ਤਿਨਿ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੇਲੇ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: navy">ਚੇਲੇ </span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਵਾਣੁ" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: navy">ਪਰਵਾਣੁ </span></span></a><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-size: 15px">॥</span> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Ėkā mā&shy;ī jugaṯ vi&shy;ā&shy;ī ṯin cẖėlė parvāṇ.</span></span> </span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000080"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕੁ" target="_blank">ਇਕੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੰਸਾਰੀ" target="_blank">ਸੰਸਾਰੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕੁ" target="_blank">ਇਕੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭੰਡਾਰੀ" target="_blank">ਭੰਡਾਰੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕੁ" target="_blank">ਇਕੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਲਾਏ" target="_blank">ਲਾਏ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੀਬਾਣੁ" target="_blank">ਦੀਬਾਣੁ </a>॥</span></span> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā&shy;ė ḏībāṇ.</span></span> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਿਵ" target="_blank">ਜਿਵ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਸੁ" target="_blank">ਤਿਸੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਾਵੈ" target="_blank">ਭਾਵੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਵੈ" target="_blank">ਤਿਵੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚਲਾਵੈ" target="_blank">ਚਲਾਵੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਿਵ" target="_blank">ਜਿਵ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹੋਵੈ" target="_blank">ਹੋਵੈ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ" target="_blank">ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ </a>॥</span></span> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Jiv ṯis bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvai jiv hovai furmāṇ."</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: black">Destroyer = <span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 15px">ik lā&shy;ė ḏībāṇ </span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: #000000">Depending on your beliefs, this could be construed as a metaphor, the tuk is refering to Shiv Ji, whom the mother (Vaheguru) created to play the role of the destroyer, as part of the trinity.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: #000000">If we treat this as a metaphor, then the verse is telling us the Vaheguru himself if Vishnu, Brahma and Shiv Ji - he himself is the creator, sustainer and destroyer... but for some reason you guys find the last aspect of Akaal Purkh difficult to digest.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: #000000">In any case I have clearly shown you Guru Ji's mention of Vaheguru as the destroyer through the Jaap Sahib tuks I posted earlier in the thread.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: magenta"><<"Vaheguru is Akaal and Kaal.>></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000080"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: magenta">Need verses from SGGS as examples.</span> </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: blue">Well you must already now that Vaheguru is beyond time from Mul Mantar, and you must agree that Vaheguru is also the lord of time - time meaning creation eing time limited - subject to death, only Vaheguru is not subject to time and death.</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000080"></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000080"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: magenta"><<Everything is ordained by him, he creates, he sustains and he destroys, at will.">></span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000080"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: magenta"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Need verses from SGGS as examples. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: blue">Already done so, see above.</span></span></p><p> <span style="color: #000080"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: magenta">BTW, moolmantar contradicts that.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="color: blue">How?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shaheediyan, post: 56463, member: 2867"] [b]Re: Sikh...Islam...[/b] [COLOR=black]What a friendly response bunch of people you are on this forum.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, who is inventing things here:[/COLOR] [COLOR=magenta]"I have no idea if you understand the meaning of metaphors or not. From your posts it seems you donot. [/COLOR][COLOR=magenta]You mean SGGS is not full of metaphors? The verse below you mentioned in one of your posts is filled with metaphors."[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][COLOR=black]What I actually and "specifically " said:[/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]""There is no hidden meaning veer ji, the holy words that I posted from Sri Dasam Guru Darbar are fact, not a metaphor."[/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Now kindly read the tuks I clearly refered you to, read your definition of metaphor, and tell me whether these are metaphors or facts:[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080]"ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਥਾਪੇ ॥[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080]Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Establisher Lord![/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਕਾਲੇ ॥ ਨਮੋ ਸਰਬ ਪਾਲੇ ॥੨੦॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080]Salutation to Thee O Annihilator Lord! Salutation to Thee O All-sustainer Lord!20[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]“[/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=3][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਭੰਗੀ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਮਾਥੇ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸਮਸਤੀ[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਬਿਭੂਤੇ[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੪੯॥[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]Salutation to Thee O Destroyer Lord! Salutation to Thee O Omnipotent Lord! Salutation to Thee O Greatest to All Lord!”[/FONT][/SIZE]."[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Is Akaal Purkh, whom we are praising not all these things....? Now show me where is the metaphor?[/COLOR] You say: [COLOR=magenta]"First please put the meaning of the verses you post in any forum. Secondly in the above verse I could not find the meaning,' GOd is a destoryer'."[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I am not sure why you posted that shabd, if you read my previous post, the tuks I posted were:[/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080]""[URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਏਕਾ"] [SIZE=4][COLOR=navy]ਏਕਾ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਮਾਈ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy]ਮਾਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜੁਗਤਿ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy]ਜੁਗਤਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਵਿਆਈ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy]ਵਿਆਈ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਨਿ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy]ਤਿਨਿ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚੇਲੇ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy]ਚੇਲੇ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਰਵਾਣੁ"][SIZE=4][COLOR=navy]ਪਰਵਾਣੁ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][COLOR=navy][SIZE=4]॥[/SIZE] [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Ėkā mā­ī jugaṯ vi­ā­ī ṯin cẖėlė parvāṇ.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕੁ"]ਇਕੁ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਸੰਸਾਰੀ"]ਸੰਸਾਰੀ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕੁ"]ਇਕੁ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭੰਡਾਰੀ"]ਭੰਡਾਰੀ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਇਕੁ"]ਇਕੁ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਲਾਏ"]ਲਾਏ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਦੀਬਾਣੁ"]ਦੀਬਾਣੁ [/URL]॥[/SIZE][/FONT] [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Ik sansārī ik bẖandārī ik lā­ė ḏībāṇ.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਿਵ"]ਜਿਵ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਸੁ"]ਤਿਸੁ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਭਾਵੈ"]ਭਾਵੈ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਤਿਵੈ"]ਤਿਵੈ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਚਲਾਵੈ"]ਚਲਾਵੈ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਜਿਵ"]ਜਿਵ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਹੋਵੈ"]ਹੋਵੈ [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ"]ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ [/URL]॥[/SIZE][/FONT] [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=1]Jiv ṯis bẖāvai ṯivai cẖalāvai jiv hovai furmāṇ."[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][COLOR=black]Destroyer = [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=4]ik lā­ė ḏībāṇ [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][COLOR=#000000]Depending on your beliefs, this could be construed as a metaphor, the tuk is refering to Shiv Ji, whom the mother (Vaheguru) created to play the role of the destroyer, as part of the trinity.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][COLOR=#000000]If we treat this as a metaphor, then the verse is telling us the Vaheguru himself if Vishnu, Brahma and Shiv Ji - he himself is the creator, sustainer and destroyer... but for some reason you guys find the last aspect of Akaal Purkh difficult to digest.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][COLOR=#000000]In any case I have clearly shown you Guru Ji's mention of Vaheguru as the destroyer through the Jaap Sahib tuks I posted earlier in the thread.[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][COLOR=magenta]<<"Vaheguru is Akaal and Kaal.>>[/COLOR] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=magenta]Need verses from SGGS as examples.[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000080][FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue]Well you must already now that Vaheguru is beyond time from Mul Mantar, and you must agree that Vaheguru is also the lord of time - time meaning creation eing time limited - subject to death, only Vaheguru is not subject to time and death.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=magenta]<<Everything is ordained by him, he creates, he sustains and he destroys, at will.">>[/COLOR] [COLOR=magenta][FONT=Tahoma]Need verses from SGGS as examples. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]Already done so, see above.[/COLOR] [COLOR=magenta]BTW, moolmantar contradicts that.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]How?[/COLOR] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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