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    Separate Taxis for Women in Mumbai----Exclusively for woman passengers.


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    The Maharashtra Govt. has started taxis exclusively for woman pessangers. The taxis launched by Priyadarshni in Mumbai will run from Mumbai Airport. To pass time during journey the facilities of newspaper and during humid season the facilities of Talcum Powder will be prevailed. The woman taxi drivers have been deployed to run these taxis. These taxis have been launched keeping in consideration of woman passengers’ safety. The woman drivers have been provided three months training, they have been delivered lectures, trained for the safety of the passengers and coaching of Judo-Karate had been made, after getting the full knowledge about Judo-Karate they have been deployed to run taxis. The purpose of running taxis with woman drivers is to provide the safety to the woman passengers.
    Due to the demand from the Business Process Outsourcing companies, theses companies involves the contracting of the operations and responsibilities of specific business functions to a third party service provider. Originally, this type of activities had been associated with manufacturing firms such as Coca Cola that outsourced large segments of its supply chain. But with the boom in I.T. Sector in India most of the American companies provided back office outsourcing which included internal business functions such as human resources or finance and accounting and front office outsourcing which included customer related services such as contact center services.
    BPO that is contracted outside a company’s country is called offshore outsourcing. BPO is contacted toa company’s neighboring or nearby country nearshore outsourcing. Due to efficiency in English language the BPO gave proximity to the information technology industry, so the boom occurred in India. The development of India is based on Information Technology enabled service Or ITES knowledge process outsourcing and legal process outsourcing. These two type of the sub-segments of business process outsourcing industries are the backbone of the development of India.
    India earn revenues of 10.9 billion USD from offshore BPO and 30 billion USD from IT and total BPO. So, Due to English language knowledge India has off beat china in I.T. sector.
    The problem which may occur in the coming years is that President Obama don’t like to continue the Outsourcing business, may be due to the risks and threats of outsourcing, unemployment in United States and for other security reasons.
    Let us see what will happen in the near future. Any how India is no doubt shining at present.
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    Re: Separate Taxis for Women in Mumbai----Exclusively for woman passengers.

    Neither President Obama, nor anyone else, can prevent outsourcing. As of date a business decision to outsource does not fall under any excise laws or import/export statutes. Nor could it. And to try to stop it would result in concerted opposition from corporate lobbies that pay the election bills by contributing large sums of money to candidates in both Democratic and Republican parties. To try to stop it would be considered a restraint of trade, which could go to the courts. Now the SC US has ruled that corporate contributions in any amount cannot be banned by law. So we are going to see outsourcing for as long as it fits the business models of companies.

    What is the connection with taxis driven by women drivers for women passengers only. I understand the safety concerns. But were there unsavory events leading up to this? How does this news development related to outsourcing and CocaCola etc? This is a fascinating story BTW. I have read that in Iran driving a taxi has become a major vocational trend for women who are widowed or divorced and must support their families. They also receive intensive training and cater to women passengers. But in Iran the reasons are different -- as the women passengers themselves have created the market demand, not wanting to be alone in a taxi with an adventurous male driver. :coolmunda: This would work for me. And there are a large Muslim population in Mubai. Wonder what involvement if any there is of Hindu and Sikh women?
     
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    Re: Separate Taxis for Women in Mumbai----Exclusively for woman passengers.

    This is an old news 2-3 years old.The idea was not so successful because these taxis were more expensive than regular taxis.When some women were interviewed who use to travel in Taxi's by Daily basis they said they feel absolutely safe in Taxi's in which they were travelling and they are not going to pay more for women only Driver taxis.

    Instead of for women only taxis women taxi drivers should drive at same rate and for both sexes O/W it is not going to be succesful
     
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    Regards,
    Though President Obama is giving statements in the media to stop oursourcing and still it could not be stopped. Though US is reluctant to help India and putting pressure on its corporate sector to avoid dealing with India even then India’s economy is getting stronger day by day. You see the boom in fiscal market of India in 2009-10. It can be witnessed with the return of over 80 per cent from the stock market in this finacial year.
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    For overall growth of the country the women of India has played remarkable role. How this news interlinked with woman is that now in India the woman have taken the challenge and now the taxis run by woman has come at par with the other taxis running by the male drivers and there is no difference in the running cost and charges. I highlighted this factor because till today the toughest jobs on which the males have monopoly has been capturing by the woman.
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    The boom in I.T. industry in other words is due to the immense role of woman in India. In I.T. Sector the wome are more employed in offices than men. The US policies to weaken India will not be accomplished as now the women have taken the challenge to do the toughest jobs. Now everybody can view the position of Financial year 2009-10 fiscal policies of India.
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    US act against those responsible for the Mumbai Carnage. US never helped India to stamp out Pakistan sponsored terrorism. Prsident Obama should keep in consideration that our woman are struggling hard to put India on top economically. The only factor that is lagging behind India is corruption. The solution to this problem could not be made till date. President Obama could not stop outsourcing due to corporate lobby’s pressure as he had got large amount from corporate lobbies to pay election bills.
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    Secondly if the outsourcing stopped then it will certainly restraint the trade and the matter will be dragged in the courts. We are thankful to United States SC as due to its intervention the outsourcing has not been banned till date. President Obama is planning to stop outsourcing from India. The major portion of India’s revenue is from Outsourcing.
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    Madam, what is the protest in Mumbai? The women are not taxi drivers but they are IT professionals and they are now making demonstrations that we shall go for taxi driving but will not move away by the stringent policies of President Obama. The point of safety in the matter is not of the safety of the women passengers alone but the question is about the Social security of the women. The women are mostly going to be affected if the outsourcing is banned. I tried to turn the outsourcing to Coca Cola. If we consider the factor of Coca-Cola, Pepsi then why not the question of outsourcing occur.
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    You know when the Coca-Cola and Pepsi entered in Indian markets at that time two Soft drink companies were doing immense business of soft drinks with the brand names of Limca, Thums up, 7 UP. The multi-national companies put pressure on India and our politicians allowed them to enter in India’s market. You know what these multi-national companies did they purchased the already running plants of those companies. They have not developed any sort of infrastructure like roads, dams, schools, hospitals. Now take a note that the Water belong to India, Sugar is India’s product, Indians companies developed infrastructure what Coca Cola and Pepsi provide only 5 grams of powder and the product is being sold in billions. Is it right for the US. Why not it consider at that point.
    US want to snatch the last loaf of bread from the mouth of Indians. Till date the tea is being produced in India and world wide it is being marketed in Lipton and Brooke-bond. The produce of India, the packaging made in India but the brand name is British and American.
    In Bhopal thousands of people died due to American Company Union Carbide what compensation they got and what compensation the people who disabled permanently got nothing.
    What will be the future prospects kindly enlight.
     
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    Re: Separate Taxis for Women in Mumbai----Exclusively for woman passengers.

    rajneesh ji

    All I am saying is that President Obama has less influence over out-sourcing than you may think. In fact he has almost no influence over it. Corporations who out-source, not only to India but to other nations as well, have built that strategy into their business model. It is not illegal. It is not crooked. No one is breaking the law. As much as politicians give speeches about keeping the jobs at home they know full well that corporations will be deciding on that issue independently of government. The only thing Congress can do is vote in tax-breaks or credits for corporations that do not outsource. The other side of this coin is this. What would be the short and long term consequences of a major economic failure in India in the IT sector. The industry is now international in scope. Changes in any part of the system affect the entire system. The US government can only go so far with this kind of rhetoric without looking stupid. The best decision to take on our end is to watch and wait.
     
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    Not I alone,:confusedmunda: but Indian media is disturbed with the statements of Obama regarding outsourcing. The IT companies have started shunting out their IT professional employees. Though there may be not much effect on the outsourcing industry but it has created a lot of hustle bustle in the market. No doubt the corporations engaged in outsourcing business have made strategy to safeguard their interest. Though it is not illegal even then the US President Obama is giving statements regarding outsourcing every now and then. When the outsoucing business is being done as per Govt.rules and regulations and no body is breaking the law. Then why the companies those are doing outsourcing from India are being pressurized. Take the example of Tata Consultancy Limited, Wipro and Infosys all these companies have shunted out their work force due to restriction in outsourcing. Though US Govt is determined to provide jobs to Americans. If the Americans don’t like to do the job in that much remuneration then how can US Govt will put pressure on the US people to do the job in the meager remuneration.
    The other side of the coin is that, India is now fully dependent on earning on Outsourcing of IT sector. The other industry has not making upward trend due to power problem and higher cost of raw material and shortage of labour (as unskilled labour don’t like to do the jobs). Indian Pharmaceutical industries had been flourishing in the last few years. That industry has also became stand-still. Engineering industries can not compete with Chinese companies as their cost of products is too low.
    For example the cost of Chinese shirt in Delhi is Rs 50 including packing in card-board box. The watches are being sold by weight manufactured in China. The retail price of watch is Rs 20-30 with battery, strap, chain. How can India compete with China. We can not compete with China in any Engineering field. The consumer durables are being imported by multi-national companies like L.G., Samsung, HP, Compaq, Nokia, almost all Korean and Japanese companies import the items from China and sell it in their brand name in India. We the people of India are looking forward that daily the industries are being locked up due to wrong policies of the Govt. The small business houses are on the shore of bankruptcy due to the presence of Multi-national companies.
    Take a look of pricing of the companies of multi-national.
    Suppose you go for the purchase of an Air conditioned in a market. The brand name is Hitachi.
    In whole of the market the Hitachi’s window AC 1.5 Ton with Three Star Rating will cost about Rs. 35,0000/-, the same product will cost at Reliance’s showroom at Rs 32,000/-. The products of L.G., Samsung, Onida, Godrej at Price range of Rs 18,000/-,, Blue Star at Rs 19,000 and Carrier at Rs 25,000 will be available. The difference of Rs 3,000 from rest of the market is that the multi-national companies purchase the items in bulk quantity and so they can sell the products at the low rates. If the trend continued. Then how the small business houses will survive.
    Secondly the big business houses have come to the marketing of vegetables, grocery. Reliance is producing the vegetables in their own fields and marketing in their own showrooms Reliance Fresh. How can petty shopkeepers, hawkers, and labour pulling hand cart will survive those are selling their products and earning for two ends meal.
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    If the position continued like this and our IT industry come to end then it will be difficult for people of India to survive
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    Re: Separate Taxis for Women in Mumbai----Exclusively for woman passengers.

    rajneesh ji

    You raise so many issues inside of one post that I cannot possibly react to all of them. Let me therefore tackle just one of them. When speaking of outsourcing there are basically two kinds:

    1) off shore where the workers are not actually working or residing inside of a country (in this case the US) and

    2) contracting jobs to companies that bring foreign workers into a country. In the latter case these workers need visas, in the case of the US either L-1 or H-1B visas. At the present time there is no limit on L-1 visas though there is a limit on HB-visas. Under an L-1 visa someone can work in the US for up to 2 years.

    None of this applies to the situation you have described as I understand it, where women will lose jobs in India because of cuts to outsourcing on the US side. I understand you to be speaking of women who continue to live in India, while working for a US company. That makes them employees in an off-shore, outsourcing situation.

    So here is the most recent information that I can find and it basically reinforces what I have said regarding "outsourcing." There is rumbling about restricting off-shore, outsourcing. No action to speak of.

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    This is from a May 10, 2009 article in the Hindustani Times-- almost a year ago

    Blue fonts are my reactions inline.

    Anti-offshoring pitch, H-1B visa cap may affect biz: Infosys


    Obama remark on Bangalore worrying, admits Azim Premji

    Terming the US President Barack Obama's tax reform proposal as a "worrying" development, Wipro chairman Azim Premji on Thursday said it was against what Obama said at the recent G-20 summit.

    Here we can see that Obama has apparently said 2 different things, or his remarks have been interpreted in 2 different ways. This is politics.



    Expressing concerns over the possible measures by foreign countries, especially the US, to restrict off-shoring and movement of work visa-holders, Indian IT bellwether Infosys has said that such steps could adversely impact the company's business.

    No one is sure what will happen yet. Infosys is sending up a warning flag.

    The Obama administration has restricted the hiring of H-1B visa-holders by companies bailed out by the Federal government and recently announced a plan to end tax incentives for American entities generating jobs overseas.

    Here we have two developments. Number 1 does not apply directly to the situation of the person in IT working/living in India. Of course, there can be unique situations that do apply, but the policy per se is not directed at workers in India.

    1) restriction of H-1B visas if a company has been bailed out the the US government. In other words their ability to hire foreign workers will be restricted, not eliminated. This affects only those foreign workers working and living in the US.


    2) Tax incentives would be removed for companies that generate overseas jobs. This is the removal of an incentive -- in other words, tax incentives or tax credits may be withheld. I did indicate that this might be a new policy.


    Both moves are expected to impact the Indian IT sector, whose major chunk of revenues come from the US.

    Yes this is possible.

    Infosys has said that in the prevailing economic environment, there could be a change in the existing laws or the enactment of new legislation, restricting "offshore outsourcing" or imposing restrictions on the deployment of work visa holders at client locations.

    But so far nothing specific has been mentioned.

    Such actions "may adversely impact our ability to do business in the jurisdictions in which we operate, especially with governmental entities," the IT firm said in its annual filing with the US Securities and Exchange Commission.

    Nearly 60 per cent of Indian IT-Business Process Outsourcing industry caters to the US companies, according to latest figures. India's BPO industry employs over 17 lakh professionals.

    Every year, a major chunk of the Indian professionals receive H-1B visas, which is basically a working visa for highly skilled people. In the previous fiscal year, nearly 8,200 Infosys employees held H-1B visas. These people will be affected.

    Moreover, Infosys has pointed out the possibility of private sector companies working with these governmental entities, being restricted from outsourcing projects which are related to government contracts. Same

    These firms could even face "disincentives if they outsource certain operations", the filing noted.

    Many foreign governments mainly in the US and the UK have pumped in billions of dollars into companies battered by the financial turmoil. In return, these administrations have snapped up significant stakes in those bailed out firms.

    Here is one major reason why the new policies if enacted, as Infosys predicts, are not likely to have a mouthful of sharp teeth. We know that the corporate sector in the US is in large part foreign-owned. The government knows this too. So the on-shore visas will probably become bargaining chips in foreign policy discussions and disputes. It is a form of capital.

    "Equity investments by governmental entities in, or governmental financial aid to, our clients may involve restrictions on the ability of such clients to outsource offshore or otherwise restrict offshore IT vendors from utilizing the services of work visa-holders at client locations," Infosys said.

    On this point Infosys is expressing fears and has produced no evidence that i can see. There may -- I repeat myself - be tax penalties or changes in tax incentives affecting companies that engage in off-shore outsourcing. It could happen.

    There is a limit to how far this can go. The US government would be playing into two deficiencies in the American market place. 1) a severe shortage of IT talent at home; 2) policies that raise the cost of doing business beyond what American corporations can bear to remain even marginally profitable.

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    This is from Obama's State of the Union address in January 2010, and the focus is on adjusting tax policies to make it less desirable to outsource.

    from the targana blog
    (Obama’s State of the Union Address : How it impacts Outsourcing) He stated that this is the time to end tax break to US firms that outsource their jobs to overseas and allow fresh tax breaks to those firms that create jobs within USA. The latter part of the last statement is an indirect threat to the outsourcing destination like India, Phillipines etc. Obama emphasised his previous comment in May, 2009 that job creation within US is his topmost priority and he advised outsourcing company to choose "Buffalo over Bangalore".
    "To encourage … Businesses to stay within our borders, it is time to finally slash the tax breaks for companies that ship our jobs overseas, and give those tax breaks to companies that create jobs right here in the United States of America," Obama said.
    The interpretation on the targana blog. "Although, most of the countries recovered from recession, the post recession period is still making a big dent in USA in terms of the single biggest issue like unemployment. That's why US president made this statement. However, outsourcing saves cost for many US industries , but, it creates an issue of unemployment within US. As a result of this, recession is further aggravated."

    And I guess one insight from history is needed. The Democratic Party in the US has, with the exception of former president Bill Clinton, been a party that promotes protectionist policies. For that reason it has advocated policies that have a stultifying effect on international trade. It won't work anymore because there is nary a business of significant capitalization in the US that is not affected in some way by global economies.



    Infosys has expressed concern that restriction on deployment of trained people at client locations could require the company to seek local talent. In such a case, the "local resources may only be available at higher wages," it said.

    "Any resulting increase in our compensation, hiring and training expenses could adversely impact our revenues and operating profitability," the firm said.

    My point as above.

    So it makes sense to see where Infosys is with these predictions and concerns. How much has materialized. I do believe that visa restrictions have been implemented and they have adversely affected hiring of Indian nationals in the US. The off shore outsourcing -- I think we have to watch and wait.

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    Some recent historical background - pertaining to outsourcing to client locations only (visas for workers who are hired to work on US soil)


    BILL MAY STALL OUTSOURCING OF L-1 VISA-HOLDERS IN US (the US bill to restrain companies from outsourcing their L-1 visa holders to client locations).

    Article: BILL MAY STALL OUTSOURCING OF L-1 VISA-HOLDERS IN US (the US bill to... | AccessMyLibrary - Promoting library advocacy
     
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    Let us see some facts and figures of Us economy.

    US is facing almost double digit unemployment rate. In such a situation US has to keep its own house in order so that at least those who are technically qualified get absorbed in US only. Outsourcing shall still be attractive business so far as the corporate sector is concerned.

    The outsourcing is workable solution if the case is built on cost-efficiency.

    If the US companies find it more profitable to get the work done in developing countries then surely outsourcing shall have to be preferred taking other factors into consideration that are considered by the companies that are getting the business done on 'out-sourcing Model'.

    The only tool that is available with the US Government is the withdrawal of Tax incentives and not giving the schemes of deferement of the Tax or its reschedulement that is a feature of tax incentives.Second measure that sometimes, that Governments do adopt is to tax the outsource business at higher rate of tax as compared to the income generated by Local operations. It is a concept called as differential rate of taxation.

    The third method is follow double taxation i.e once at the hands of the Government where the business is done and secondly at US where the net income from abroad is transferred.

    However, every country has Double taxation Treaties[DTTA] with the interacting countries.If there is DTTA between the two countries then it may not be possible to tax the profits twice.

    These are the ways that I can think of that the canalization of the outsourcing business can be indirectly regulated.

    In the case of US, the Indian companies are likely to be the choice on default basis as the Indian companies that off-shore its employees to US provide services at cheaper rates as compared to the salaries that are paid to its counterpart in US. US employees will always be expensive for the companies in IT sector in US.

    There may be pressure on the profits margins of the Indian companies like 'Infoysis' or 'wipro' but these can never be thrown out by US as most of the US giants in various sectors like banking, finance and telecom are already dependent on these companies for Annual Maintenance contracts.

    In nutshell, the out-sourcing shall depend upon the Effective corporate taxes that may be levied on the companies that are in this business. Out-souring is going to stay for long till the Rupee gains more strength and Us companies do not find it lucrative to get the business on out-sourcing basis. In no case the out-souring can be reduced to NIL till these imperfections of markets exists. In view of this I agree with Narayan jot kaur's ji post @ permanent link 4.
     
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    Taranjeet ji

    I really do agree with you wholeheartedly. In particular, this is a very important summing up on your part. "There may be pressure on the profits margins of the Indian companies like 'Infoysis' or 'wipro' but these can never be thrown out by US as most of the US giants in various sectors like banking, finance and telecom are already dependent on these companies for Annual Maintenance contracts."

    Some of these "giants" include Dell Computer, and numerous banking institutions who outsource off shore, not only because of lower wages relative to the US, but also the IT workforce in Ireland and in India (two favorite choices) is more literate than counterparts in the US. The on-the-job training costs of US workers in basic skills of literacy and mathematics is high. Also, as reported in several sources, the pool of trained IT workers in the US does not meet current industry needs.

    I am curious to know if the loss of tax incentives is more than met by lower training costs.
     
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    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 9"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 9"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/ADMINI%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msoclip1/01/clip_filelist.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--><style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {mso-style-parent:""; margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; mso-header-margin:.5in; mso-footer-margin:.5in; mso-paper-source:0;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style> Honourable Narayanjot Kaurji,
    Regards,
    I am thankful to you and ‘m agree to your point. Yes there is pressure on the profit margin of Indian companies It is a hard fact that the IT giants like Wipro and Infosys could not be thrown out from US so easily. Banking finance and telcom companies software and annual maintenance contact has been handled by these companies not today from the last so many years. The annual maintenance contacts usually being taken by TCS, Wipro and Infosys.
    Dell, IBM, HP used to outsource off shore especially from India because the Indian IT professionals are very laborious and they finish the job within the contacted period. But Americans don’t do overtime jobs secondly in mathematics Indians are highly literate. The US IT professionals don’t take the job so seriously and so the project within the stipulated time do not get completed if the contact is with US based company. Firstly it will be a costlier deal and secondly the project within stipulated period will not be completed.
    We hope that the IT professionals job will be secure in India and they will not be kicked out any more.
    Last year in US Wipro and Hughes Software had got sizeable chunk of business from telcom original equipment manufacturers (OEMs).
    If we consider the present business scenario, the only ways for Indian IT companies to boost profits and margins is to cut costs or improve efficiencies. So these companies like to cut the staff work force and pressurize them to complete the set target.
    In the nut shell on a like to like basis, attrition of Infosys, Wipro and TCS should be more or less the same.
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    I don't think that One should take OBama's statement seriously.IT software outsourcing can never be stopped as long as Rupee is cheaper than $.The average salary of Software worker in USA is 60k$ per annum while in India you can employ same level of worker at around 12-15k$.So How could any software company afford to employ such an expensive labour ?

    In democracy leaders need to give the statements like Obama gave.In India many politicians climbed their political ladder by propagating socialist policies and anti america
    statements.Yet when they came to power they were the first one give red carpet treatments to USA companies.

    The dollars that India is earning will go back to USA companies as they doing brisk business
    in India.Not to forget India badly need power plants ,military equipments in Which USA is going to be prime supplier and Thousands of other type of jobs will be generated by that in USA
     
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    Microsoft outsources internal tech care to Infosys

    My-India.Net: MI Error,

    San Francisco, April 14 (DPA) Microsoft has outsourced its internal tech support to Indian technology services firm Infosys, the companies have announced.

    The move was first revealed in an Infosys press release Tuesday announcing a three-year deal to "manage internal IT services for Microsoft worldwide" and later confirmed by the US software giant.

    "As part of this managed services agreement, Infosys will streamline implementation processes, simplify support and service, while at the same time lowering the enterprise costs through the use of the latest Microsoft solutions such as Windows 7," Infosys said in a statement.

    No financial or other terms of the deal were released. But Microsoft said that it would still retain strategic functions in its internal IT management and was engaging Infosys to consolidate service previously provided by a variety of outside vendors.

    The move will see Infosys providing help desk support for 450 Microsoft locations worldwide as Microsoft looks to cut costs by outsourcing jobs to the Indian tech services firm.

    "The fully integrated solution developed by Infosys will help us enhance how we deliver end-user computing services to our internal employees and partners while leveraging the innovation and investments we make in developing new technologies," said Jim DuBois, Microsoft's general manager of service management.

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    Well for now the out-sourcing seems to continue. That is great for Infosys. I applaud them. If the trained workforce were here in the states, the US workers would be filling these positions. The truth is that we lack the critical mass of trained IT workers. If Infosys could not fill the bill, then technology in the US would limp along.
     
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    YouTube - south park-they took our jobs!!!
     
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    I know Sinsiter ji I know

    That is a very articulate bunch. ;) Truth is stranger than fiction. Fortunately on this forum we don't attract the critical mass who would take me to task on that point. But it is true, isn't it?
     
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    Dear Sinisterji, Narayjot Kaur ji,
    Yeah it is articulate. Yeah Truth is always bitter. I am thankful to Narayanjot Kaurji for not attracting critical mass. If we keep on stressing the critical points then there will not be end to that topic. But it is really true.
    I am thankful to Dr. Narayanjot Kaurji for her care to the general public especially to the women of India those are dependent on IT industries and her support will boost every Indian woman morale.

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    It is not about trained workforce.It is about cheap labour and exploitation.My brother is working as trainee in MNC .In the training period he is not paid a single penny. More over the students that are using company transport were asked to pay the charges.Now the training period is ending and their is panic in his team that if this free labour will go then who will complete the job.The project manager is using various techniques so that some of them will work for more time.My brother has clearly told him either give us joining or we will work upto the time that we were told to.No question of extension without pay
     
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    I am sorry to say why you are using here women card.majority of women that work in IT industry are from elite class of India.Majority of them get married to Men which are also working in IT industry.The combined income of couple when they start their life goes over 1 lakh per month.These women are certainly not the oppressed Indian women
     
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    I agree to your point that in India there is a high scale exploitation of trained IT professionals. The companies used to force the IT professionals to work more than 12 hours in a day without paying overtime to regular workers. Secondly the trainees are among those people those are exploited a lot.
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    It is really painful as during training period no company pay even a single penny to trainees. (Jee han EK Footi Kauri ka bhuktan bhi nahin kiya jata). Your information that the students those use company’s transportation during training period have to pay for that it is 100% correct.
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    Now the question arise where are Human Rights organizations and why don’t these organizations check large scale exploitation of the young generation. I agree to you that these companies are getting their jobs done from trainees and they people don’t pay for the job the trainees have done and earn handsomely by completing projects from the IT professionals free of cost rather they people are charging from the trainees. There is no one to question the project manager.
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    Every trainee has to work overtime say at least for 12 hours without getting a single penny and there are so many cases that the company after getting the jobs done from the trainees don’t give joining letters and they people are left in a lurch. There are hundreds of cases that the MNCs come to the IT colleges, got them selected as CAMPUS PLACEMENT, the photographs are being published in newspapers and the colleges earn high reputation by getting the news published that so many students of our college has been got placed in MNCs and the list is being published with photographs of the students.
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    In most of the cases----It is a big racket, the colleges pay handsomely to the companies to get the students selected from their college. What these companies do they just get the students placed and the matter is being highlighted. In most of the cases the students don’t get placement. They are provided only the placement letter in the college campus and afterwards they don’t get joining letter.
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    This issue does not come to end here. If the students get joining letters Then they are provided the time to join the training. This training period is arranged at Bangalore, Mumbai most probably. Both of the cities are very costly. Where the students are exploited as mentioned by Mr. Kanwardeep ji as well. And after getting the jobs completed the students are again kicked out on one pretext or other and they don’t get salary for the work they did for the company.
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    Kanwardeep ji the reason of using women card is that in majority the women work force are entangled in IT professions as they can’t get the jobs done in the workshops and can’t handle the workers in industries. This is the best suitable job for women in India. As IT and Pharmaceutical industries are only two job oriented industries in which the women are highly placed in professional courses, second to teachings and banking. It is no doubt that the women those work in IT industry are from the elite class of India. The question again arises if the IT industry do not get the outsourcing business then obviously this elite class will not be able to maintain their living. I agree to you that these women are married to the Men those are engaged with IT Industry and their combined income will not less than Rs 1 lakh per month. But consider the cost of living of Mumbai and Bangalore and then calculate the savings of those elite class people in a month. I agree to you that these women are not oppressed Indian women but the women those are dependent on IT industry are getting high pay scale and emoluments which any other industry can’t pay to them in the generations to come.
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