Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher Or A Fake?

[jasmeet2k]

Wah ji wah

Sangtaan kolon matthe tikaai janda... kihnu jodi janda guru naal??? aah vekho
YouTube - Ranjit Singh Dhandriyawala

Regadrs
Parminder Singh

peace and respect to all
some points i want to discuss about the video
1. the host's beard is trimmed. the one who dont respect the sikhism how can he point out others.
2. sangat babe nu guru grant sahib de presence wich matha nahe tak rahe
3.even if he accect gift , there is no harm in it. all the money he gets are used in langer ...bhai sahib ji Langer free nahe bannda.
4. if he ask sangat to raise there hands in kirtan darban . bhai sahab eh banda "josh" jaga rea eh sangat wich , means evey one involve in the kirtan . other wise i have seen peoples sleeping in kirtan darbar.
5. if he has done some by mistake , bhai sahib ji he is insan after all and all human being commint mistakes at some time or other.
6. even if sangat babe nu matha tek rahe eh , man there is no harm in it after all he a saint and there is no harm in bowing in front of sant.
7. some ppl get bharam knowledge at young age. we should be proud of him that at this young age he is showing the path of sikhism to innocent ppls , who can be easiley tapped by ppls like sirsa wale jootha baba.
8. final point is if we keep on fighting ppls like gurmit ram rahim singh will get benift from rift within sikhism............
mere point nu depth naal samjho .............
guru da sikh

 

[parmindersinghaziz]

peace and respect to all

To you too

some points i want to discuss about the video

Zaroor ji

1. the host's beard is trimmed. the one who dont respect the sikhism how can he point out others.

Please look the video again. The host has a tied beard, not trimmed.

2. sangat babe nu guru grant sahib de presence wich matha nahe tak rahe

Tusi janaab othe hi ho? Guru sahib di hazuri ton bina othe ki kar riha hai majlis vich?

3.even if he accect gift , there is no harm in it. all the money he gets are used in langer ...bhai sahib ji Langer free nahe bannda.

Langar har gurudware ch banda veer ji... te iss tarah main te ajj tak ni vekhya koi banda paise lainda hoya... chalo paise da chhaddo.... gifts da vi langar chalda??

4. if he ask sangat to raise there hands in kirtan darban . bhai sahab eh banda "josh" jaga rea eh sangat wich , means evey one involve in the kirtan . other wise i have seen peoples sleeping in kirtan darbar.

Ja ke dekho kinne ohna chon ik duuje nu vekh ke has rahe hone.... Guru sahibaan ne jo maryada ditti ohda koi maayna nahin tuhadi nazar ch? kal nu eh taadiyan vajaaun lagge sangat ton ta tusi te ehi keh dena ki eh ta ji sangat kolon appreciate karva riha.

5. if he has done some by mistake , bhai sahib ji he is insan after all and all human being commint mistakes at some time or other.

Te bhai mann'ni te chahidi aa na galti... ki gall tusi badi side lai rahe sant (???) dhadrianwale di??

6. even if sangat babe nu matha tek rahe eh , man there is no harm in it after all he a saint and there is no harm in bowing in front of sant.

Rehit maryada parho veer ji... phir te radha swami vaale vi khud nu sant kehnde, sirse vaale vee, nirankari vi te namdhari vi... kithe kithe sir jhukaaoge?

JIS DAR PE NA JHUKE SAR USEY DAR NAHIN KEHTE
JO HAR DAR PE JHUK JAAYE USEY SAR NAHIN KEHTE

7. some ppl get bharam knowledge at young age. we should be proud of him that at this young age he is showing the path of sikhism to innocent ppls , who can be easiley tapped by ppls like sirsa wale jootha baba.

There is no difference in the two. Public da te dono hi khich rahe ne...

8. final point is if we keep on fighting ppls like gurmit ram rahim singh will get benift from rift within sikhism............

Veer... Sikhi individuals da ik panthic dharm hai... jis ch har kise nu effort karni paindi aa challan di... te jeehne nahin chalna, oh apne aap koi baba labh lainda hai... phir sirse vaala ya koi radha soami koshish kare ya na kare.... Je apne andar sikhi pakki aa koi boota nahin patt sakda.

mere point nu depth naal samjho .............

Ki samjhaiye iss vichon samjha deo ji

guru da sikh

KEHRE GURU DA SIKH??? Guru Granth te nahin samjhaunde iss tarah da kujh jo tusi keh rahe ho.

Regards
Parminder Singh

 

[manbir]

Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

I donot understand why this SANT of Dhandrian, cannot live like a normal Sikh and do Kirtan like a normal Sikh. Where is the need to form a Dera of unemployed people living on the offerings of Sangat !!

The people in these deras composed to those who are good for nothing in all aspects of Graheth Life. These bunch of parasites are not capable to earning their own living and for their families. Theie Lives are contarary to all teachings of Guru Nanak.
This SANT is not able to do a nirool Gurbani Kirtan. He needs Cheap compositions of Tuk bandi to sing and present it as Gurbani Kirtan.

Certainly we do not need such parcharaks.
Most of the inmates of these Deras are addicted to one form of intoxicant or the other. I have seen it clearly myself. I have first hand information of the way of life these Dera wallas live.

To tell you the truth - There is no difference between these deras and the Sacha Sauda Dera !!!
All these Deras are at different level of evolution. Their aims and goals are all same.

 

[jasmeet2k]

mae guru gobing singh ji da eh sikh eh brother..
mae babe da follower nahe hega
tuse thode jaye........thode nahe bhut he narrow minded ho thoda khul ke socho.

 

[parmindersinghaziz]

mae guru gobing singh ji da eh sikh eh brother..
mae babe da follower nahe hega
tuse thode jaye........thode nahe bhut he narrow minded ho thoda khul ke socho.

Veer merya... asin tuhade jehe broad-minded hon naalon eho jehe narrow-minded hi changey haan.... rehit nu na mann'na te Guru sahibaan de kahe te na chalna je broad-mindedness te high-mindedness hai te eh dono tuhanu mubarak.

 

[hchohan]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa - Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

I have read through this entire thread and have noted the following points of controversy surrounding Bhai Ranjit Singh within Guru Panth.
1./ Use of the term Sant/Baba.
2./ People do matha tek to him.
3./ Singing of taarna at samagam.
4./ Is he fake..?

On Point 1 - Use of the term Sant/Baba
What title people address him by is THEIR choice. My choice is Bhai or just Ranjit Singh. He has never asked to be addressed by that term and has clearly said in many samgams along the lines of "lok Sant kaye jan - apne aap na banje" as that means pride. If it is truly in his power to remove the title from adverts/cd's then he should do so.

On point 2 - People do matha tek to him.
Again he has never encouraged that in any samagam. People go to Parmeshardwar Gurdwara by CHOICE if they CHOOSE to matha tek how do you stop them? He has always stated to matha tek to SGGS only.

On point 3 - Singing of taarna at samagam.
I skim listened to a sanagam at Calcutta in 2004 titled Panj Pyarean Di Chon. Below are the tarna's sang at in that recording (please excuse my spelling)

1./ tere sukha de sagine sare - te dukha vich kio na vane
2./ yaare parkehe yarrane de - jado marr pave talwaaran de
3./ chal chaleye Anandpur nu - kete melje Kalgiyan Wala/Bhajan Wala
4./ chalo Singho ral darshan kareye Guru Gobind Singh ayae ne
5./ neela khora bha ka joora hath vich baaj sajahe ne
6./ janam Guran da Patna Sahib Da - Anandpur Dere lahe ne
7./ Pita Guran da Teg Bahadur - Mata Gurju jaye ne
8./ Baar oyna Kalgiyan Wale ne/Bhajan Wale ne - Sangat kare reyke
9./ lashkare pende chakaran de - Ayge Kalgiyan Wale
10./ tere pyare ............ - Guran da mukh chand warega
11./ Sevek bada hunda hai - sevek banja sevek banja
12./ kerra chaluga Guran de chaal pyareyo kerra chaluga
13./ Sir tarke tali te ave - esa koi uthe soorma
14./ ek Sikh de lorr hai mainu - peda jo charave sis de
15./ kahatam kardo ga Sikhu nu Mata poliye..? Jaake samajale lal nu
16./ loka nera maloon - khelon na janeya
17./ tetho Rab thageya nai jaane - dunia nu thagan walia
18./ Dasme Pita diyaan kushiyan je lhenia - Khanda Wala Amrit pe
19./ pela kut pareya te akhan kul jandia - pata nai oh bhate vich ke
20./ he then said they finish off with Anand Sahib, Ardas & Hukumnama

All of these were sang in context of the lecture and saaki (history) he was talking about. Sangat were encouraged to participate as a way of connecting themselves more to the lecture/saaki. Personnaly I cannot see how these constitute as Baani - kachi or real..? Can someone please explain.
We used to sing many of those "tarna" above in langar way before bhai Ranjit Singh came around.

Point 4 - Is he fake.?
Personally I think Ranjit Singh has done a fantastic job or waking up Sikhs around the world to how to be a better Sikh. That is the principal of all his lectures. The other great benefit he had brought is the correct telling of Sikh History sakhi. In the above samagam he clearly explained the correct history of the birth of the Khalsa (inc the actual severing and then resurrection of the Panj Pyare) in a way that everyone could understand and "feel".
He has taught that Amrit Sanchaar and Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are the ultimate and only goal that the sangat should pursue.
His lectures advise people on how to be a better Sikh and this has changed people's lives forever.

He has expreesed the core Sikh values to the sangat - Naam Japna and Kirat Karna. One of his samagams I have on CD is the whole sangat doing 2 hours of Naam Simran. How wonderful is that.

He has lectured people and given examples to avoid the 5 evils (Kaam, Krodh, Lob, Moh, Ahankar) and lectured on the 5 virtues (Sat, Santokh, Pyar, Daya, Nimrata). He has done this in ways people can relate to and understand - from addicts in the pinds to western born kids around the world.

Is this really the description of a fake..??

 

[jasi]

s.s.akal ji.


why waist time worry about others . Instead of mending others please mend yourself. Leave every thing upto Him and repeat the Nam of that Waheguru ji.

Thanks

Jaspal

 

[jay]

Khalsa ji,

The thing is, rite, that Bhindranwale left such a high standard for sants to follow that I reckon we're gunna scrutinize each and every sant that crosses our path, having said that, this Dandiwala sant has no chance. I mean, he's a bit podgy for starters, compared with Bhindranwales physical martial bearing. I aint no gurmukh, far from it, I've been brought up in a family full of anti-panthic tarkhans , but even I can tell a true sant like Bhindranwale to an all-day parotha eating chubster.

If the sangat is stupid enough to be fooled by this bloke then what can we do? All the best to him is all I can say.

Vayu Khalsa Vayu Fateh

 

[jasi]

please get serious in life and do not go after these manuplated sants or other leadrers who can put our own Harminder Sahib on the spot and brought such a insult happened in 1984 for their own self motivated goals. just remeber what Guru Nanak sahib ji taught us.NAM JAPO AND DO GOOD DEEDS AND LEAVE THE REST WITH GOD.MANY CAME AND WENT BUT LEFT NO LINGERING MEMEORY.

jaspai

 

[manbir]

We are shamlessly becoming the followers of one Sant or the other. Its because we have developed inherent tendency to become escapists when following the teachings of our Guru is concerned. Just because we do not want to follow our Guru we find a Sant here or a Sant there not realizing that our Guru is the only SANT we have to follow. This escapist tendency in us is due to our weak moral status and genetic longing for Idol worship !!
May Guru bless us with enough wisdom to follow Just One Guru in the search of Just One Almighty.

 

[Astroboy]

Just because we do not want to follow our Guru we find a Sant here or a Sant there not realizing that our Guru is the only SANT we have to follow. This escapist tendency in us is due to our weak moral status and genetic longing for Idol worship !!
May Guru bless us with enough wisdom to follow Just One Guru in the search of Just One Almighty.

Manbir Ji,

What other reasons would you provide for not following a dehdhari guru or sant ?

 

[Ambarsaria]

I think the following says all that needs to be said to me,

TRuTH oF BaBa DhinDRi {PaRT 1} DhaDriaN WaLa SaaDH} kalgi
YouTube - TRuTH oF BaBa DhinDRi {PaRT 1} DhaDriaN WaLa SaaDH} kalgi

What incredible exploitation of Sikhi saroop from people who can perhaps ill afford it in the first people?

Where are real Sant-Sipahis when you really need them :angryyoungkaur::angryyoungsingh:

Regards,

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

I feel every one here has expressed great dissatisfaction regarding the person in question.
If we critically analyse the ROOT CAUSE of all such happenings we would find that we ourselves are not enough familiar with the teachings of SGGS .And the negative results are before us.
In fact the most misunderstood and the most misused word of gurbaani is the word SANT.No body should be ever reffered as SANT other than SGGS only then we should express any kind of dissatisfaction towards any such so called Saints.
Can we do this ?
Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[Ambarsaria]

prakash s. bagga ji thanks for your posts.

We do need to call "a spade a spade" before we go on our benevolent ways which are amply exploited also by the same Babbas/Sants/Maharaj/etc. Let us revisit the thread title,

Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale - A Sikh Preacher or a Fake?

• A Sikh Preacher
  • NO
    
• or a Fake?
  • YES

Let us not generalize too much in favor of these crooks. Anybody can open a shop and the curious will walk in. These are evil merchants and if they were selling and using same tricks to sell "Fake Khoya" or "Fake Ghee" they will be in jail and paraded around.

Some comments on the following,

we ourselves are not enough familiar with the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .

Prakash S. Bagga ji you are a wonderful person of great mind and I like your posts. Please don't use the word "we" as it definitely does not apply to you or most of the people here at SPN. A more appropriate sentence woould have been,

"He is not enough familiar with the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ."

​

Even that will be generous.

I know you are very compassionate and forgiving person but those are also the qualities that these crooks depend upon in their exploitation.

Please this is not your criticism as I hold you in high regard and as a person of knowledge and level mind.

Sat Sri Akal.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NILrWYqebk&feature=related







IF there was still some doubts left.....this should seal it fast. Just watch a Fake SANT use Harsh language, abusive and how his chelas shout and are so angry and KRODHEE HANKAREE !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v<wbr>=2NILrWYqebk&feature=related

 

[prakash.s.bagga]

AMBARSARIA Ji,
DIVNE GREETINGS,
I feel humbled with your remarks and I shall see how I can improve my presentstion.

I just mentioned about the ROOT CAUSE of the problem.As a matter of fact in presence of SGGS where is the need for any one being reffered as SANT or BABA.?
It is equally important to know as to when the practice of reffering any person as SANT was introduced in Sikh Philosophy.Did any of our GURUS ever adorned any person with such reference.The answer to the present problem lies in knowing this .
I am witnessing such thimgs very common in India.So if we have any problem this should be eradicated from the root otherwise the problem will remain as such.
Today we have one ,tomorrow we may have many.This isjust my own perception about we are discussing in this thread.
With best wishes

Prakash.S.Bagga

 

[Harry Haller]

These are very clever enlightened people who have decided to use that enlightenment for themselves instead of acting as a guide to god, instead they think they are god

 

[Randip Singh]

YouTube - ‪FUNNY ::Babbu Maan Song controversy‬&rlm;

:interestedmunda:

 

[Breeb]

These are very clever enlightened people who have decided to use that enlightenment for themselves instead of acting as a guide to god, instead they think they are god

If one cares to watch any of the numerous programs on the Sikh Channels by Ranjit Singh then one would not make the above statement. It is quite plain to see that Ranjit Singh only attaches the sangat to Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

Pic 1...the Root casue of all evil....USD !!
Pic 2..the result of having all that USD....HAUMAII strong enough for one to rise ABOVE the Guru !! Just as Ram rahim Sirsa did in copycat 1699 act...here dhadriwallah attempts to put chakras 0 HALOS around his head in a public media ad...to copycat pics of Gurus....
3.pic 3 shows the behind the scenes links...