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Raagmala - Is It Really Part Of Gurbani?
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<blockquote data-quote="Harkiran Kaur" data-source="post: 204113" data-attributes="member: 18224"><p>Swarn Ji it is not new concept. I have read Gurbani and I have seen and taken in the MANY referecnes to a primal or 'unstruck' sound or vibration that is referenced over and over in relation to Creation. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=13&english=t&id=559#l559" target="_blank"><u>Page 13, Line 3</u></a></p><p>ਅਨਹਤਾ ਸਬਦ ਵਾਜੰਤ ਭੇਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥</p><p>Anhaṯā sabaḏ vājanṯ bẖerī. ||1|| rahā▫o.</p><p><strong>The Unstruck Sound-current of the Shabad is the vibration of the temple drums</strong>. ||1||Pause||</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=6&english=t&id=269#l269" target="_blank"><u>Page 6, Line 5</u></a></p><p>ਵਾਜੇ ਨਾਦ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਸੰਖਾ ਕੇਤੇ ਵਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥</p><p>वाजे नाद अनेक असंखा केते वावणहारे ॥</p><p>vāje nāḏ anek asankẖā keṯe vāvaṇhāre.</p><p>The<strong> Sound-current of the Naad vibrates</strong> there, and countless musicians play on all sorts of instruments there</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=118&english=t&id=4830#l4830" target="_blank"><u>Page 118, Line 19</u></a></p><p>ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਏ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਬਦਿ ਵਜਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੫॥</p><p>Amriṯ baṇī si▫o cẖiṯ lā▫e amriṯ sabaḏ vajāvaṇi▫ā. ||5||</p><p>Those who focus their consciousness on the Ambrosial Bani of the <strong>Word</strong>, hear the <strong>vibration</strong>s of the Ambrosial Word of the Shabad. ||5||</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=2&english=t&id=44#l44" target="_blank"><u>Page 2, Line 8</u></a></p><p>ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥</p><p>Gurmukẖ nāḏaʼn gurmukẖ veḏaʼn gurmukẖ rahi▫ā samā▫ī.</p><p><strong>The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad</strong>; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading.</p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=3&english=t&id=127#l127" target="_blank"><u>Page 3, Line 16</u></a></p><p>ਕੀਤਾ ਪਸਾਉ ਏਕੋ ਕਵਾਉ ॥</p><p>Kīṯā pasā▫o eko kavā▫o.</p><p>You created the vast expanse of the Universe with One <strong>Word</strong>! <span style="color: #ff0000">(Word = sound = frequency)</span></p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=7&english=t&id=347#l347" target="_blank"><u>Page 7, Line 19</u></a></p><p>ਤਿਥੈ ਨਾਦ ਬਿਨੋਦ ਕੋਡ ਅਨੰਦੁ ॥</p><p>Ŧithai nāḏ binoḏ kod anand.</p><p>The Sound-current of the Naad vibrates there, amidst the sounds and the sights of bliss.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">These are just SOME examples.... and Gurbani also recognizes the intrinsic link between consciousness, energy and matter.. that they are in fact the same thing:</span></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=21&english=t&id=870#l870" target="_blank"><u>Page 21, Line 4</u></a></p><p>ਜਹ ਦੇਖਾ ਤਹ ਰਵਿ ਰਹੇ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤੀ ਕਾ ਮੇਲੁ ॥</p><p>Jah ḏekẖā ṯah rav rahe siv sakṯī kā mel.</p><p>Wherever I look, I see the Lord pervading there, in the union of Shiva and Shakti,<strong> of consciousness and matter.</strong></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1027&english=t&id=43899#l43899" target="_blank"><u>Page 1027, Line 1</u></a></p><p>ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤੀ ਘਰਿ ਵਾਸਾ ਪਾਇਆ ॥</p><p>Siv sakṯī gẖar vāsā pā▫i▫ā.</p><p>He came to dwell in the home of the Shiva and Shakti, <strong>energy and matter.</strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000">Gurbani is actually VERY scientific given that these concepts were not known until centuries later!</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harkiran Kaur, post: 204113, member: 18224"] Swarn Ji it is not new concept. I have read Gurbani and I have seen and taken in the MANY referecnes to a primal or 'unstruck' sound or vibration that is referenced over and over in relation to Creation. [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=13&english=t&id=559#l559'][U]Page 13, Line 3[/U][/URL] ਅਨਹਤਾ ਸਬਦ ਵਾਜੰਤ ਭੇਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Anhaṯā sabaḏ vājanṯ bẖerī. ||1|| rahā▫o. [B]The Unstruck Sound-current of the Shabad is the vibration of the temple drums[/B]. ||1||Pause|| [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=6&english=t&id=269#l269'][U]Page 6, Line 5[/U][/URL] ਵਾਜੇ ਨਾਦ ਅਨੇਕ ਅਸੰਖਾ ਕੇਤੇ ਵਾਵਣਹਾਰੇ ॥ वाजे नाद अनेक असंखा केते वावणहारे ॥ vāje nāḏ anek asankẖā keṯe vāvaṇhāre. The[B] Sound-current of the Naad vibrates[/B] there, and countless musicians play on all sorts of instruments there [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=118&english=t&id=4830#l4830'][U]Page 118, Line 19[/U][/URL] ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਏ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਬਦਿ ਵਜਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੫॥ Amriṯ baṇī si▫o cẖiṯ lā▫e amriṯ sabaḏ vajāvaṇi▫ā. ||5|| Those who focus their consciousness on the Ambrosial Bani of the [B]Word[/B], hear the [B]vibration[/B]s of the Ambrosial Word of the Shabad. ||5|| [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=2&english=t&id=44#l44'][U]Page 2, Line 8[/U][/URL] ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਵੇਦੰ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥ Gurmukẖ nāḏaʼn gurmukẖ veḏaʼn gurmukẖ rahi▫ā samā▫ī. [B]The Guru's Word is the Sound-current of the Naad[/B]; the Guru's Word is the Wisdom of the Vedas; the Guru's Word is all-pervading. [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=3&english=t&id=127#l127'][U]Page 3, Line 16[/U][/URL] ਕੀਤਾ ਪਸਾਉ ਏਕੋ ਕਵਾਉ ॥ Kīṯā pasā▫o eko kavā▫o. You created the vast expanse of the Universe with One [B]Word[/B]! [COLOR=#ff0000](Word = sound = frequency)[/COLOR] [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=7&english=t&id=347#l347'][U]Page 7, Line 19[/U][/URL] ਤਿਥੈ ਨਾਦ ਬਿਨੋਦ ਕੋਡ ਅਨੰਦੁ ॥ Ŧithai nāḏ binoḏ kod anand. The Sound-current of the Naad vibrates there, amidst the sounds and the sights of bliss. [COLOR=#ff0000]These are just SOME examples.... and Gurbani also recognizes the intrinsic link between consciousness, energy and matter.. that they are in fact the same thing:[/COLOR] [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=21&english=t&id=870#l870'][U]Page 21, Line 4[/U][/URL] ਜਹ ਦੇਖਾ ਤਹ ਰਵਿ ਰਹੇ ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤੀ ਕਾ ਮੇਲੁ ॥ Jah ḏekẖā ṯah rav rahe siv sakṯī kā mel. Wherever I look, I see the Lord pervading there, in the union of Shiva and Shakti,[B] of consciousness and matter.[/B] [URL='http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1027&english=t&id=43899#l43899'][U]Page 1027, Line 1[/U][/URL] ਸਿਵ ਸਕਤੀ ਘਰਿ ਵਾਸਾ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ Siv sakṯī gẖar vāsā pā▫i▫ā. He came to dwell in the home of the Shiva and Shakti, [B]energy and matter.[/B] [COLOR=#ff0000]Gurbani is actually VERY scientific given that these concepts were not known until centuries later![/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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