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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_Member_19" data-source="post: 85247" data-attributes="member: 2850"><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><<<<u know how this discussion deteriorated ..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">step 1 - i requested how we could have a choice as sikhs ..and if we had a chain of shops..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">step2 - some funny posts..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">step3 - my post with that picture </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">now from here things turn sour...there was discussion on how we were affected and we were not ..about our history ..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">well look..man..if you want to turn the situation accusing someone ..and taking the discussion away from the issue..well thats what u guys did ...</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">was the issue resolved NO...imagine we sikhs couldnt not unite over the issue ..instead we took the issue to a totally dfferent direction..was this whole thing about pictures affecting children NO...</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">why was i upset ...because someone doesnt understand why what is being said ...but guys its not just you ..the whole country of ours is facing this situation...>>>>>>>>>>></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">it was fine till the third step</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">may I ask you why was the picture posted? Did it have any linkeage to discussion?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In my opinion, NO. However, all I and pk70 requested was that some sort of moderation be done on pictures generally accepted as violent in nature. Everyone had opinion and they all shared. Did we keep shouting about vegetarianism etc etc...NO</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">And what did you answer it with?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><<<<Bhul Chuk Muaaf Karni...May I know what was so bad about the picture ??? Its not about me right and you wrong ..or vice a versa ...I confused..shocked ..lost..!!!!</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There is better slaughter pictures in a child's book..chicken chops sausages..pork..stuffed pork...beef..lamb ...and much more ..veers in USA have a better idea...</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I believe all those sensitive veers who would like to have this pic removed are in some associated with vegeterianism..or our other brotherhood sangats like Akhand Kirtani Jatha...</span></span></span></strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">For all our sensitive veers ..i think when a child sees this picture ..this will be a boon in disguise..since the child will have questions ..(are we afraid of those questions by the way ?) This picture might promote vegeterianism in that child if he/she knows how this works ...and gets affected by slaughter..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I respect all yor emotions Veers ..and we are one ..</span></span><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">but please make me understand</span></span></strong> <span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">..I have the highest respect for vegeterianism and vegeterians ..please dont get me wrong...</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bhai Sinister ji I thank you for understanding me ..</span></span><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">lets all our veers discuss this and enlighten me ..how a ritual..which is part of our culture.....can be censored..i would like to know ..</span></span></strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Veers ..trust me </span></span><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">..if all our Saadh Sangat feels i have done something wrong ..I will remove the pic.. there is no ego issue</span></span></strong> </span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">..after all we are here to unite and not fight ..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">i a sanatan <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Sikh</span></a>..another a kirtani jatha..maybe someone a namdhari...our basic idea is to unite and not prove the other one wrong ..<strong>WE ARE ONE</strong> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Will be waiting for more of your opinion</span></span></strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">...>>>></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1.</span></span> </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">You made generic assumptions and brought in vegetarianism and what not into the discussion</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2.</span></span> </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">You yourself called out for a discussion on whether this picture should be there or not- now lease tell me- who side tracked the discussion?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">If you were so keen on discussing abt having meat chain or solving the problem you had two choices to make:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1.</span></span> </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Ignore the posts we made and merrily go ahead and discuss, let the mods decide</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2.</span></span> </span><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Wait for discussion that you invited</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Now we see that you call people who were debating the discussion you decided as “wise men” and “egoistical” – don’t you think that you need to see your original post and decide who is taking it personally?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">This forum does not belong to anyone. We all have had disagreements and heated exchanges. Everyone has issues they hold dear but this does not allow having a prejudiced view of the mods’ decisions. They have a written policy and as long as they abide by it in true spirit, I am happy and hope all should be.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Now we move to page number 3</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Discussion now moves to how children can be educated about death and meat</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Who started it? One of the members, did you object then?</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">NO</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">If the original topic was close to you, you could have objected then and brought it to group’s notice.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Merely starting a topic does not entitle you to include or exclude views and opinions that come in. You have to PARTICIPATE and steer it if you want a logical conclusion.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Next,</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Page 4 to 7, we do not see you anywhere !!!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Its just me and Sinister rolling around in theoretical muck </span><span style="font-family: 'Wingdings'"><span style="font-family: 'Wingdings'">J</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">You come back into the discussion myself and Sinister were having and added comments, which were no way to our discussion and neither to your topic.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">You brought in another twist in the tale with Ahimsa, vegetarianism, rewriting Sikh history and Jainism</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">WE WERE NOT DISCUSSING VEGETARIANISM !!!!!</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><<</span></span><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I dont really feel any of our veers who oppose jhatka do know the difference ..</span></span></strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">i really fail to understand are we some sort of <strong>Ahimsa Marag</strong> or what </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>i somewhere feel these guys can re write <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">Sikh</span></a> history ..maybe replace kirpans with bouquets..!!!</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">this post was about promoting jhatka..and here we have people <strong>fighting over vegeterianism</strong>..this is not the issue..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">do not take the issue haywire....Sikhi has space for all..<strong>this is not Jainism</strong>..we have vegeterian Nirmalas and Naamdharis ..and also meat eating Warrior Nihangs..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Accepted that initially Sikhi was not martial and had a huge influence of vegeterianism..how ever after the Sixth Guru Maharaj ..things were changing as according to times ..as we are all aware ..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The way things are being looked ..<strong>its just like ..one group of people doesnt want another one to even survive ..</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Jhatka is not something to be ashamed..its something to be proud ....why kill an animal painfully...>>></strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Except for maybe the last line, your post was all based on assumptions and not on our previous discussions.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">All pk70 ji did was to point out your mistake that you had not read the complete discussion</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><<<</span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I dont really feel any of our veers who oppose jhatka do know the difference ..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Raj Khalsa ji,</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>I was hoping you have been reading all stuff posted on the thread you created, sadly I have to say, you really haven’t. If you did, you wouldn’t have concluded your assumptions as facts. Let me prove it. Who are those “Veers “who oppose Jhatka? amarsanghera ji or me? If you think so, please reread ( his and mine) posts, our main issue is to avoid to show these pictures to small children. However, as other Veer jis have different opinion on this, continued to drag this issue to Vegetarianism to bravery, tradition of Sikhi bla. Bla.., never actually tried to deal with the issue.>>></strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Then we have a post from you yesterday 1:38 pm </span></span></strong></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><<</span></span></strong><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Saadh Sangatji,</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Well my apologies to bhai amar sanghera and Pk70 and all others who felt i dint 'read' their posts...and i misunderstood..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">good to hear you dont have anything against jhatka ..but the way it was debated..it gave a strict jaini look..so now the issue is just against the pic..ummm..guys..maybe the next time i post any pics..we can have a sensation and emotion commitee to check with sensors..maybe you guys could be heads...hehehe..just kidding....</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">well let others too decide..whats ok and whats not ...but guys i dont have anything against any of you..whether you r kirtani jatha or no jatha..the bottom line is we r sikhs..the best we can do is ..AGREE TO DISAGREE...no hard feelings ..</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Raaj Karega Khalsa>>></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">And then you start your tirade against one and all !!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">May I ask you, were you stung that your pics were removed or the topic was not discussed.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You saw the topic for two days and you had every right to restart your discussion points, but there was no attempt !!!</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So my message to you is,</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Chill !!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">This is just a forum</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">We come here to discuss. No one takes it to heart till you start singling out someone and call them rude names.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">If you want something to be discussed strictly within the boundaries , please do add it to your posts up front. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">This is considered general forum etiquette.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_Member_19, post: 85247, member: 2850"] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]<<<<u know how this discussion deteriorated .. step 1 - i requested how we could have a choice as sikhs ..and if we had a chain of shops.. step2 - some funny posts.. step3 - my post with that picture now from here things turn sour...there was discussion on how we were affected and we were not ..about our history .. well look..man..if you want to turn the situation accusing someone ..and taking the discussion away from the issue..well thats what u guys did ... was the issue resolved NO...imagine we sikhs couldnt not unite over the issue ..instead we took the issue to a totally dfferent direction..was this whole thing about pictures affecting children NO... why was i upset ...because someone doesnt understand why what is being said ...but guys its not just you ..the whole country of ours is facing this situation...>>>>>>>>>>>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]it was fine till the third step[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]may I ask you why was the picture posted? Did it have any linkeage to discussion?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]In my opinion, NO. However, all I and pk70 requested was that some sort of moderation be done on pictures generally accepted as violent in nature. Everyone had opinion and they all shared. Did we keep shouting about vegetarianism etc etc...NO[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]And what did you answer it with?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]<<<<Bhul Chuk Muaaf Karni...May I know what was so bad about the picture ??? Its not about me right and you wrong ..or vice a versa ...I confused..shocked ..lost..!!!! There is better slaughter pictures in a child's book..chicken chops sausages..pork..stuffed pork...beef..lamb ...and much more ..veers in USA have a better idea... [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=3]I believe all those sensitive veers who would like to have this pic removed are in some associated with vegeterianism..or our other brotherhood sangats like Akhand Kirtani Jatha...[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] For all our sensitive veers ..i think when a child sees this picture ..this will be a boon in disguise..since the child will have questions ..(are we afraid of those questions by the way ?) This picture might promote vegeterianism in that child if he/she knows how this works ...and gets affected by slaughter.. I respect all yor emotions Veers ..and we are one ..[/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]but please make me understand[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]..I have the highest respect for vegeterianism and vegeterians ..please dont get me wrong... Bhai Sinister ji I thank you for understanding me ..[/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]lets all our veers discuss this and enlighten me ..how a ritual..which is part of our culture.....can be censored..i would like to know ..[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] Veers ..trust me [/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=3][B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]..if all our Saadh Sangat feels i have done something wrong ..I will remove the pic.. there is no ego issue[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]..after all we are here to unite and not fight .. i a sanatan [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Sikh[/COLOR][/URL]..another a kirtani jatha..maybe someone a namdhari...our basic idea is to unite and not prove the other one wrong ..[B]WE ARE ONE[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Will be waiting for more of your opinion[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]...>>>>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]1.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]You made generic assumptions and brought in vegetarianism and what not into the discussion[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]2.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]You yourself called out for a discussion on whether this picture should be there or not- now lease tell me- who side tracked the discussion?[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]If you were so keen on discussing abt having meat chain or solving the problem you had two choices to make:[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]1.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Ignore the posts we made and merrily go ahead and discuss, let the mods decide[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]2.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Wait for discussion that you invited[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Now we see that you call people who were debating the discussion you decided as “wise men” and “egoistical” – don’t you think that you need to see your original post and decide who is taking it personally?[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]This forum does not belong to anyone. We all have had disagreements and heated exchanges. Everyone has issues they hold dear but this does not allow having a prejudiced view of the mods’ decisions. They have a written policy and as long as they abide by it in true spirit, I am happy and hope all should be.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Now we move to page number 3[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Discussion now moves to how children can be educated about death and meat[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Who started it? One of the members, did you object then?[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]NO[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]If the original topic was close to you, you could have objected then and brought it to group’s notice.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Merely starting a topic does not entitle you to include or exclude views and opinions that come in. You have to PARTICIPATE and steer it if you want a logical conclusion.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Next,[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Page 4 to 7, we do not see you anywhere !!![/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Its just me and Sinister rolling around in theoretical muck [/FONT][FONT=Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings]J[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]You come back into the discussion myself and Sinister were having and added comments, which were no way to our discussion and neither to your topic.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]You brought in another twist in the tale with Ahimsa, vegetarianism, rewriting Sikh history and Jainism[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=red][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]WE WERE NOT DISCUSSING VEGETARIANISM !!!!![/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]<<[/SIZE][/FONT][B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]I dont really feel any of our veers who oppose jhatka do know the difference ..[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] i really fail to understand are we some sort of [B]Ahimsa Marag[/B] or what [B]i somewhere feel these guys can re write [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"][COLOR=#800080]Sikh[/COLOR][/URL] history ..maybe replace kirpans with bouquets..!!![/B] this post was about promoting jhatka..and here we have people [B]fighting over vegeterianism[/B]..this is not the issue.. do not take the issue haywire....Sikhi has space for all..[B]this is not Jainism[/B]..we have vegeterian Nirmalas and Naamdharis ..and also meat eating Warrior Nihangs.. Accepted that initially Sikhi was not martial and had a huge influence of vegeterianism..how ever after the Sixth Guru Maharaj ..things were changing as according to times ..as we are all aware .. The way things are being looked ..[B]its just like ..one group of people doesnt want another one to even survive .. [/B] [B]Jhatka is not something to be ashamed..its something to be proud ....why kill an animal painfully...>>>[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Except for maybe the last line, your post was all based on assumptions and not on our previous discussions.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]All pk70 ji did was to point out your mistake that you had not read the complete discussion[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]<<<[/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]I dont really feel any of our veers who oppose jhatka do know the difference .. [B]Raj Khalsa ji,[/B] [B]I was hoping you have been reading all stuff posted on the thread you created, sadly I have to say, you really haven’t. If you did, you wouldn’t have concluded your assumptions as facts. Let me prove it. Who are those “Veers “who oppose Jhatka? amarsanghera ji or me? If you think so, please reread ( his and mine) posts, our main issue is to avoid to show these pictures to small children. However, as other Veer jis have different opinion on this, continued to drag this issue to Vegetarianism to bravery, tradition of Sikhi bla. Bla.., never actually tried to deal with the issue.>>>[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Then we have a post from you yesterday 1:38 pm [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]<<[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh Saadh Sangatji, Well my apologies to bhai amar sanghera and Pk70 and all others who felt i dint 'read' their posts...and i misunderstood.. good to hear you dont have anything against jhatka ..but the way it was debated..it gave a strict jaini look..so now the issue is just against the pic..ummm..guys..maybe the next time i post any pics..we can have a sensation and emotion commitee to check with sensors..maybe you guys could be heads...hehehe..just kidding.... well let others too decide..whats ok and whats not ...but guys i dont have anything against any of you..whether you r kirtani jatha or no jatha..the bottom line is we r sikhs..the best we can do is ..AGREE TO DISAGREE...no hard feelings .. Raaj Karega Khalsa>>>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]And then you start your tirade against one and all !![/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]May I ask you, were you stung that your pics were removed or the topic was not discussed.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]You saw the topic for two days and you had every right to restart your discussion points, but there was no attempt !!![/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]So my message to you is,[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]Chill !![/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]This is just a forum[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana]We come here to discuss. No one takes it to heart till you start singling out someone and call them rude names.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]If you want something to be discussed strictly within the boundaries , please do add it to your posts up front. [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]This is considered general forum etiquette.[/FONT][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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