Promoting JHATKA

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  1. Archived_member7

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    Saadh Sangatji,
    Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh

    Our TENTH Guru Maharaj ji (THE TRUE EMPEROR) had ordered us to abstain from eatiing halal and consume meat only slaughter by Jhatka ..can we not try to promote it ?

    can we have fliers requesting Jhatka ? Can we also remind the Hindus that this is the only way we can consume meat ?

    I am recently in Indore and have seen a lot of laxatiies in Jhatka...

    A hindu meat shopkeeper asks me " Why do u have a psychological problem ? " ..my blood boils ...!!! how can i make him realize ?

    I need guidence it seems ..or alteast a group of sikhs with whom i can perform Jhatka and promote it ....

    Can anyone help ?

    Raaj Karega Khalsa
     
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    <<A hindu meat shopkeeper asks me " Why do u have a psychological problem ? " ..my blood boils ...!!! how can i make him realize ?

    I need guidence it seems ..or alteast a group of sikhs with whom i can perform Jhatka and promote it ....>>

    buy from someone who will do it for you.

    you want to do Jhatka with Sikhs and not chicken or something else? :eek:
     
  3. Sinister

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    very difficult to help

    tell him to give you jhatka...or else...threaten to make jhatka out of him :eek:
    customer is always right

    Indore ehh! I passed through once, (doing a long haul trip from mumbai to agra)
    I had some Poha and Jalebi...:p
     
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    Indore has some nice sweet shops..
     
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    IF its "Halal" DONT Eat. Everything else is ACCEPTABLE.
     
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    Well, what if those butchers kill slowly but don't say "the words"?
     
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    SaadhSangatji

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    I thank all of you for your response..some answers were funny:rofl!!:

    But my point is ...Can we not have a supplier chain ? Pull in our people..we have so many sections of our society ( i shall not use the word caste) ..which are still underdeveloped or in the developing stage ..the sikligars..or many others i might not know ...can we not have a share of this growing meat market ?

    I would await the day ..when we have a choice ..why is that muslims can have a choice and not us ...

    I am wanting to setup a shop ...sangat residing in Indore if we have any guys here ..can contact me ..

    When in Mumbai i could'nt eat chicken since the meat market is largely halal..i know vegeterianism is good ..but i feel as a sikh ..we should a choice ..the hindus too need to be pulled it ..so do the buddhists...

    I shall give an example here..I recently had visited Ladakh...again there it was the same case ..muslim suppliers ...incidently my driver who's cab we had hired ..told me he was planning to buy a shop ..but dint know what business to make ..I suggest a Jhatka shop..pat came the reply with his hands folded in a prayer pose .." Dont say this ..Its a Sin..I cannot kill "

    I was shocked ..this man had been an ex - army officer ..he had shot Pakis ..he would eat chicken..but not kill it or setup a business..why ???? He said his village folk would exterminate him from the society ..more like an outcaste...

    Can we atleast come put of this mentality ???

    I have come across sikhs in mumbai ..many into hotel industry..calling me names ..since .I talked about Jhatka..they called a man of the lost Era ...

    I think i need to think about this sincerely and .sangatji..lets think of this seriously..

    Raaj Karega KHALSA

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    Can Any One Can Delete This Picture< There Are Children Who May Be Going On This Site
    , for What Purpose It Has Been Posted
     
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    Jio,

    I have sent the post over to Leaders to get a group opinion. Thank you for raising the question. We have not in the time that I have been a moderator deleted pictures of even human torture. So I don't know what the opinions will be. But good question. let's see what happens.
     
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    aadji

    this picture is shocking !!!

    :mad:

    Rajkhalsa ji

    instead of waiting for mods to remove it, i urge ur sensibilities to remove it.
     
  11. spnadmin

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    I hope everyone understands that mods just don't delete here and delete there based on personal instincts-- even though some think we do. I hate the picture and can hardly look at it. :( But we have a no censorship-without-discussion-policy on the forum unless there is a blatant violation of forum rules. You can actually lobby for its removal by writing to Admin at Contact Us in the links above.
     
  12. Sinister

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    NO! to censorship!!! :down:

    the post is clearly tightled: "promotion of Jhatka"
    and that is as clear of a promotion as it can get...showing people how its done.

    the rest of the decision should be left to Raj Khalsa...
    if your eyesight is offended then the next link is just a click away! stop looking at it.

    the decision should be in the hands of the poster!
     
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    Saadh Sangatji

    Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh

    Bhul Chuk Muaaf Karni...May I know what was so bad about the picture ??? Its not about me right and you wrong ..or vice a versa ...I confused..shocked ..lost..!!!!
    :eek::confused::shock:

    There is better slaughter pictures in a child's book..chicken chops sausages..pork..stuffed pork...beef..lamb ...and much more ..veers in USA have a better idea...

    I believe all those sensitive veers who would like to have this pic removed are in some associated with vegeterianism..or our other brotherhood sangats like Akhand Kirtani Jatha...

    For all our sensitive veers ..i think when a child sees this picture ..this will be a boon in disguise..since the child will have questions ..(are we afraid of those questions by the way ?) This picture might promote vegeterianism in that child if he/she knows how this works ...and gets affected by slaughter..

    I respect all yor emotions Veers ..and we are one ..but please make me understand ..I have the highest respect for vegeterianism and vegeterians ..please dont get me wrong...

    Bhai Sinister ji I thank you for understanding me ..lets all our veers discuss this and enlighten me ..how a ritual..which is part of our culture.....can be censored..i would like to know ..

    Veers ..trust me ..if all our Saadh Sangat feels i have done something wrong ..I will remove the pic.. there is no ego issue ..after all we are here to unite and not fight ..

    i a sanatan sikh..another a kirtani jatha..maybe someone a namdhari...our basic idea is to unite and not prove the other one wrong ..WE ARE ONE

    Will be waiting for more of your opinion...

    Sri Akaal Sahaay

    Raj Karega KHALSA
     
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    Raj ji

    I hope you understand that the mods usually balance different sides of a question. Sinister ji, this one part of the discussion is a perfect example of how moderation can't win. I hope you see that. One side or the other will be offended. And no one is going to make the decision without looking at forum rule and discussion.
     
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    May I know what was so bad about the picture ???( quote Raj Khalsa)
    Raj khalsa ji
    I dont no how you come up with those labels like jatha etc; however, let me just ask you one thing?
    If we write about a rape, do you thing it is necessay to give a video of rape? If some thing can be explained with words, why we need pictures about which we may have reservations ?
    Here are the words which convey the same message you have tried through that picture.
    " Jhatka= killing of an animal with one blow on the neck with a sharp weapon
    Halaal= killing of an animal slowly while reciting religious words from scriptures, in other words to sacrifice the animal by forcing it to go through slow death unlike jhatka.
    Do I need pictures of Jhatka or Halaal?
    It is not vergiterian or any jatha thing as you have assumed rajkhalsa ji, it is limit we follow while practicing right to express..
    As sinister ji said, it should be in your hands, I agree but some time every thing cannot be left only in the hands of the people who post their views, I stand by that too..
    If that picture really will promote your Jhatka business, good luck, I wonder how those people can join you who even dont know jhatka and to make them understand, you have to put this picture!!!
     
  16. Sinister

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    talking about slaughter...does this picture bother anybody?

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    look at all that distruction of life!
    you cannot compare slaughtering animals to the act of raping someone

    these people make a living out of this...they.. nor their actions are equivalent to rapists...slaughtering is not even close to raping a human being...it is their reality and this reality should be viewed by all to see and be discussed.



    with all the baby sentiments pushed aside, i think its time for some grown-up talk:
    aren't most of the meat shops in punjab serving jhatka meat? most slaughter houses i know in the west kill quickly (the ones I have seen) (although growing the animals is not always humane...the execution usually is)

    what is a humane execution and what can be labelled as jhatka?
    is jhatka complete decapitation? severing of the spinal cord?

    That means sikhs are not allowed to hunt for their food...they are only allowed to grow it. (which cannot be the case...because the innuit cannot become a sikh...and sikhism loses its universal appeal)

    i know mass produced chicken meat, on some large poultry farms, the chickens are electrocuted until the heart stops (is this Jhatka as well?...a chicken can be electrocuted in about 9-20 seconds?

    some farms use CO2

    some farms have a metal rod that they shoot into the head of the cow killing it instantly... then they have to drain the blood (open the carotid arteries and let it drain using gravity)

    complete decapitation is never done on larger animals like cows:
    YouTube - Beef Slaughterhouse (part 4-10)

    who defines how quick death should be?
     
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    look at all that distruction of life!
    you cannot compare slaughtering animals to the act of raping someone( quote sinister ji)

    Yes in context of limit we exercise in description and expression of any violent act. Mistakenly you have posted a picture of harvesting ( plants reach to their end, if no one cut, their end remains the same, you could have posted other one to prove your point….:) )
    these people make a living out of this...they.. nor their actions are equivalent to rapists...slaughtering is not even close to raping a human being...it is their reality and this reality should be viewed by all to see and be discussed.
    Again I didn’t point out at profession at all, my comments were limited to description, not a word against jhatka, so my friend, what are you reading?
    with all the baby sentiments pushed aside, i think its time for some grown-up talk:
    aren't most of the meat shops in punjab serving jhatka meat? most slaughter houses i know in the west kill quickly (the ones I have seen) (although growing the animals is not always humane...the execution usually is)
    Again Sinister ji, it has nothing to do with the way of expression and the limits we exercise while describing any violent act
    what is a humane execution and what can be labelled as jhatka?
    Again this was not the topic as Halaal and jhatka were explained without commenting on those actions( whether good or bad). Jhatka means literally Push, jerk, shock, concussion, mode of beheading an animal with one stroke. ( Encyclopedia & Dictionaries…Hope it can be useful)
    is jhatka complete decapitation? severing of the spinal cord?
    ,I have posted the literal meaning above, I have never dreamt to go in detail as my interest in this context is highly limited.
    That means sikhs are not allowed to hunt for their food...they are only allowed to grow it. (which cannot be the case...because the innuit cannot become a Sikh...and Sikhism loses its universal appeal)
    You are jumping on conclusions; nothing has been said against the post at all.
    I would like to know what happened. Why “a mean of expression” has been extended to “what is right or what is wrong?”
    i know mass produced chicken meat, on some large poultry farms, the chickens are electrocuted until the heart stops (is this Jhatka as well?...a chicken can be electrocuted in about 9-20 seconds?some farms use CO2some farms have a metal rod that they shoot into the head of the cow killing it instantly... then they have to drain the blood (open the carotid arteries and let it drain using gravity)
    Good information, interested ones can use it
    complete decapitation is never done on larger animals like cows:
    Raj Khalsa ji, I think is not interested in Beef business
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    Thanks for posting, I have no interest to see it( if it is posted for general view, thanks), I am just using my right to ignore.
    who defines how quick death should be?
    I watched both Halaal and jhatka events, I felt in Halaal, animal dies slowly, may be enduring more pain but I am not certain as I am not expert in this area. Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this with readers, so nice of you sinister ji !!
     
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    OH PK70 ji…Stop being such a vegetarian! :u)::ice::}{}{}:
    I was less than 7 when I watched my first meal being slaughtered…and look how nice and normal I turned out! :shock:



    We are talking about the promotion of jhatka

    All I am asking is; what is jhatka? (this is directed towards Raj Khalsa)

    If Jhatka meat is something that involves decapitation…then sikh hunters cannot hunt…sikh fishermen cannot fish. Because hunting is done with bow and quiver, or a 12 gauge … The chances of you catching prey alive and unharmed and then performing jhatka is slim.

    That means Jhatka can only be performed on domesticated animals.

    What happens to the populations that hunt for a living?

    So, did the guru say Jhatka is the way to go…or can we use common sense here to fill in the blanks.

    Raj Khalsa ji, I take the easy road out: “ignorance is bliss”
    Or you could live by another code of conduct:
    “if you want something done right, do it yourself” (this requires way to much effort…and I am way too lazy to deal with it)
    Or
    You could stick to daal

    but I see where you are coming from...there has to be a better way for people tell how humanely the meat reached market

    cheers
     
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    "humanely killed"

    the biggest oxymoron !!
     
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    <<For all our sensitive veers ..i think when a child sees this picture ..this will be a boon in disguise..since the child will have questions ..(are we afraid of those questions by the way ?) This picture might promote vegeterianism in that child if he/she knows how this works ...and gets affected by slaughter..>>

    tell this and make porno legal :)
     
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