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Please explain Shabad - AWWAL ALLAH NOOR UPAYA

Discussion in 'Questions and Answers' started by charanjyot, Nov 30, 2011.

  1. charanjyot

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  3. Tejwant Singh

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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?

    Charanjot ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    It seems you are unhappy and dissatisfied with this Shabad by Bhagat Kabir.

    Please express your unhappiness by quoting the whole Shabad (no-one liners please), expressing it in your own words in the form your own interpretation. In other words what kind of message do you get from it? You may also use the literal translation for the reference purposes but you know, literal is not the interpretation.

    Hope to learn from your Gurmat thoughts.

    Thanks & regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?



    It's not that I am unhappy. I'm just confused as to why Bhagat Kabeer ji, said Allah created the light, why not just say god, or the greater being, something along those lines? (Not that I have anything against Allah and Muslims). Respect everyone as we're told to.
     
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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?

    Charanjyot ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Thanks for the response.

    My initial request to you still stands so we can have an interaction and learn from the Shabad.

    Will be waiting for it.

    Thanks & regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?

    Just for your information:

    Various names used in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji pertaining to GOD and number of time they are used :-

    1) Hari = 8324

    2) Ram = 2533

    3) Prabhu = 1371

    4) Gopal = 431

    5) Gobind = 475

    6) Parbrahm = 324

    7) Thakur = 283

    8) Karta = 228

    9) Daata = 151

    10) Parmeshar = 139

    11) Murari = 97

    12) Narayan = 85

    13) Antaryami = 31

    14) Jagdeesh = 60

    15) Satnaam = 59

    16) Mohan = 54

    17) Allah = 46

    18) Bhagwan = 30

    19) Narhari = 29

    20) Mukand = 28

    21) Madhav = 27

    22) Paramananda = 22

    23) Krishna = 21

    24) Saaringpani = 20

    25) Vitthal = 16

    26) Waheguru = 15

    27) Banwari = 15

    28) Narsingh = 15

    29) Daamoder = 9

    30) Madhusudan = 7

    31) Raghusudan = 6

    32) Bavan = 3

    33) Saarangdhar = 3

    34) Achyut = 3

    35) Raghurai = 2

    36) Gopinath = 2

    37) Govardhan = 2

    OTHER THAN NAMES MENTIONED ABOVE WE HAVE NAMES USED FOR THE GOD WHICH MAY INCLUDE GOSAIN, KAMALA KANT, LAXMIDHAR, CHAKADHAR, CHATURBHUJ, MACHCHH, KURAM, VARAH, GORAKH,RUDRA, KHUDA, KHALIQ, QADIR , KAREEM, SARVPRATIPALAK, RAHEEM,ALAKH,APAR,BESHUMAR, BHAGWANT, BHAV_BHANJAN, RISHIKESH, VASUDEV, LILADHAR,IN GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI, WE HAVE WORSHIP OF EK OANKAR, ETERNAL BEING LORD OR GOD.AS PER THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI NAMES USED BY ALL RELIGIONS AND COMMUNITIES ARE SYNONYMS FOR ONE GOD ONLY. THEREFORE, OTHERWISE ALL NAME OF LORD ARE ACCEPTED TO BE REMEMBERING GOD. JUST FOR THE SAKE THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AKAL PURAKH, HARI, ISHWAR,ALLAH,THIS POINT OF VIEW COMES TO US FROM SHRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI.

    source:
    New Zealand Samagam vol 11 Giani Thakur Singh - YouTube
     
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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?

    Soul_jyot ji I much disagree.

    There is no one image of God defined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The names you have listed are always used in context. Creator's various qualities are defined and it is unequivocally stated that all cannot be defined.

    So much for Hindus and Sikhs are the same cheeringmunda. Indirectly you helped me figure this out and I thank you for such mundahug.

    Your post may mislead the other young and novice.

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?

    gurfateh,

    Don't worry to question gurbani it's only way to learn now
    that pangti is reffering to
    everything was created in his hukam
    that everyone is made from mitti but appearance can very e.g european's and african's etc
    there's nothing wrong with what one looks like e.g colour, size etc
    everyone was made by parmeshwasher's hukam and everthing happen's by his hukam
    basically your either manmatt or gurmatt so what is the difference? thats what you have to research (you have to work for your gyan it's not handed on a plate)...
     
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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?

    Charanjyot ji I don't know if the following will help or help you understand the context and these are from Wiki so don't know scholarly accuracy of all quoted below,

    Sat Sri Akal.
     
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    Re: Could someone please explain this shabad?

    Charanjot ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Let me help you out a bit, the rest would depend on your personal quest.

    In the Hindu culture/religion, a potter/Ghumaar is a low caste artisan who makes pots, dolls out of clay and according to the Hindu caste system, he shall remain a Ghumaar, a low caste who has no ladder to climb. In other words, a potter/Ghumaar is considered an outcast in the Indian culture.

    However, in the Abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam- Potter means YAHWEY/GOD/ALLAH and the pots are the people he has created. Adam was the first one created out of dust/clay.

    Keeping the above in mind, read the whole Shabad again and please share your thoughts with us and see if it has changed your outlook or not.

    Hope to hear from you.

    Enjoy your journey.

    Regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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