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    Did the Guru literally behead them, or is the story symbolic?
     
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    I really did want an answer to this question -- anybody care to answer?

    Otherwise I'll just google it.

    :)
     
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    Caroline ji

    Did you get your answer? I just logged on. No he didn't behead them. At that moment it was a test of faith and loyalty. After that the story becomes emblematic of what is expected of us.

    You will read or hear the statement -- The Guru still wants our heads. It is a reference to this story. The Guru wants us to give up egotism and cleverness of mind and open ourselves to gur prasaad - to the grace of the Guru and by the Grace of the Guru.

    Hope I am not sounding like a fanatic. But that is what is going on.
     
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    Guru still wants our heads -- I found this source. Guru Gobind Singh was reaching back into the teachings of the first Guru, Naanak.

    "In Sikhism, Guru Nanak in the very beginning of his famous hymn 'Japu Ji', while rejecting the paths of ascetic one point meditation or withdrawal, emphatically prescribes carrying out or living according to the Will of God as the goal of man. "How to become the atuode of truth and how to demolish the wall of falsehood?" he asks, and then proceeds to answer, "Through following His Will." He then defines the will to be the 'Ocean of Virtues' or Altruistic. The Gurus' trasic perception of this Will is that it is Loving or Love. It is in this context that Guru Nanak proclaims that life is a 'game of love', and gives a call to humanity to follow this path. He says: "Shouldst thou seek to engage in the game of Love, step into my street with thy head placed on thy palm: While stepping on to this street, ungrudgingly sacrifice your head" (G.G.S., p. 1412), Repeated emphasis is laid on this goal of following the Will of God, Who is directing the universe."
    Sikh Martyrs

    I had forgotten.
     
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    actually, there is disagreement on what happened. some say he DID behead them and then brought them back to life. Sant Bhindranwale taught this viewpoint.

    the fact is, only Guru Sahib and the Panj know what happened. all we can do is speculate. for those of us who belive that God can do ANYTHING, bringing the dead to life is not such a stretch. :)
     
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    The concept of martyrdom was laid down by Guru Nanak. In fact, his was an open challenge and a call. His hymn calling life ‘a game of love’ is of profoundest significance in Sikh thought and theology. It has five clear facets. It expresses in clear words the Guru’s spiritual experience of God. While he repeatedly calls Him unknowable, his own experience, he states, is that He is All Love. Second, He is Benevolent and Gracious towards man and the world. Third, since He expresses His Love in the world, the same, by implication, becomes real and meaningful.
     
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    Further, the Guru by giving this call clearly proclaims both the goal and the methodology of religious life in Sikhism. The goal is to live a life of love which is in line with His expression of Love and Grace in the world. Simultaneously, the methodology of whole-life activity and commitment for the goal is emphasized. The significant fact is that in the entire Guru Granth Sahib it is these principles of the Sikh way of life that are repeatedly emphasized. There are innumerable hymns endorsing one or the other of the above principles of Sikh theology. It is this couplet of Guru Nanak that forms the base of martyrdom in Sikhism. For, the commitment desired is total, and once on that Path the seeker has to have no wavering in laying down his life for the cause. In his hymn Guru Nanak has defined and stressed that the institution of martyrdom is an essential ingredient of the Path he was laying down for man.

    Aad Ji, the verse by Guru Nanak which is being referred to - street is not the corect word - Marag (Marag means Path). Here's the extract from Sri Granth :



    ਜਉ ਤਉ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਖੇਲਣ ਕਾ ਚਾਉ
    जउ तउ प्रेम खेलण का चाउ ॥
    Ja­o ṯa­o parėm kẖėlaṇ kā cẖā­o.
    If you desire to play this game of love with Me,

    ਸਿਰੁ ਧਰਿ ਤਲੀ ਗਲੀ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਉ
    सिरु धरि तली गली मेरी आउ ॥
    Sir ḏẖar ṯalī galī mėrī ā­o.
    then step onto My Path with your head in hand.

    ਇਤੁ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪੈਰੁ ਧਰੀਜੈ
    इतु मारगि पैरु धरीजै ॥
    Iṯ mārag pair ḏẖarījai.
    When you place your feet on this Path,

    ਸਿਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਾਣਿ ਕੀਜੈ ॥੨੦॥
    सिरु दीजै काणि न कीजै ॥२०॥
    Sir ḏījai kāṇ na kījai. ||20||
    give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20||
     
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    This Game of Love... such a beautiful way of looking at life.

    I wish I'd found Sikhi when I was young and had all these years to learn the great lessons of these amazing Gurus!
     
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    Guru Ji wants us to trust Him with our life

    [SIZE=+2]Guru Ji wants us to trust Him with our life[/SIZE]
    A man named Jack was walking along a steep cliff one day when he accidentally got too close to the edge and fell. On the way down he grabbed a branch, which temporarily stopped his fall. He looked down and to his horror saw that the canyon fell straight down for more than a thousand feet. He couldn't hang onto the branch forever, and there was no way for him to climb up the steep wall of the cliff. ​

    So Jack began yelling for help, hoping that someone passing by would hear him and lower a rope or something. "HELP! HELP! Is anyone up there? "HELP!" He yelled for a long time, but no one heard him. He was about to give up when he heard a voice.

    "Jack, Jack. Can you hear me?"

    "Yes, yes! I can hear you. I'm down here!"

    "I can see you, Jack. Are you all right?"

    "Yes, but who are you, and where are you?

    "I am the Lord, Jack. I'm everywhere."

    "The Lord? You mean, GOD?"

    "That's Me."

    "God, please help me! I promise if, you'll get me down from here, I'll stop sinning. I'll be a really good person. I'll serve You for the rest of my life."
    "Easy on the promises, Jack. Let's get you off from there, then we can talk."

    "Now, here's what I want you to do. Listen carefully."

    "I'll do anything, Lord. Just tell me what to do."

    "Okay. Let go of the branch."

    "What?"

    "I said, let go of the branch." Just trust Me. Let go."

    There was a long silence.

    Finally Jack yelled, "HELP! HELP! IS ANYONE ELSE UP THERE?"

    Have you ever felt like Jack? We say that we want to know the will of Guru Ji, but when we find out what it is, we can't handle it. Sounds too scary, too difficult. We decide to look elsewhere. When Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj stands infront of us with his sword in his hand, and says, "Let go of the things that stand between you and Me, and trust Me with your life, give me your head" it sounds pretty scary. But when we let go, we find his hands are the safest place to be in.

    Source: sikhee.com - Sikh Stories: Guru Ji wants us to trust Him with our life
     

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