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Open warfare of the Jathedars: where will it end ?

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by Archived_Member16, Jun 9, 2008.

  1. Archived_Member16

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    Takht Hazoor Sahib rejects Akal Takht Gurmatta
    Varinder Walia
    Tribune News Service


    Amritsar, June 8
    In a jolt to Jathedar, Akal Takht, Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti, Takht Hazoor Sahib today decided, in principle, to reject the Gurmatta passed by the Sikh clergy at Akal Takht on June 6.

    Jathedar, Patna Sahib, Giani Iqbal Singh had already rejected the religious resolutions passed at a meeting of Sikh high priests at Akal Takht secretariat. Talking to The Tribune from Abchal Nagar (Maharashtra), Giani Kulwant Singh, Jathedar, Takht Hazoor Sahib, said any decision without the presence of the representatives of all five Takhts had no value.
    He said it was a matter of concern that Takht Hazoor Sahib and Takht Patna Sahib were not invited to the meeting of Akal Takht to take arbitrary decisions without opposition.

    Takht Hazoor Sahib has deputed senior functionaries to collect facts, including the copy of the controversial Gurmatta. The meeting of Sikh high priests at Akal Takht on June 6 had put undeclared ban on the entry of Giani Iqbal Singh on the pretext that he had been misusing his authority as Jathedar. Takht Hazoor Sahib believes the controversial decisions taken at Akal Takht secretariat, including appeal made to Sikh masses to ignore the decisions of Giani Iqbal Singh, are “most unfortunate” which aim at dividing the Sikh clerics.

    Takht Hazoor Sahib has also supported the stand of Giani Iqbal Singh and other Sikh high priests of Takht Patna Sahib on Dasam Granth. Both Takhts believe Dasam Granth was penned by Guru Gobind Singh.
    Jathedar Kulwant Singh has also taken a serious view of allowing breakaway group of dera Wadbhag Singh to join Sikhism. He said a formal decision regarding Dera Wadbhag Singh would be taken by Takht Hazoor Sahib shortly.

    Coming heavily on Jathedar Vedanti, Bhai Ranjit Singh, a former Jathedar, Akal Takht, has said the Sikhs had snapped ties with Baba Wadbhag Singh and his followers during Guru’s period. He said time had come to remove Vedanti as Jathedar, Akal Takht, for his alleged violation of the Maryada. Bhai Ranjit Singh called upon Sikh masses to reject Giani Vedanti as Jathedar. He alleged it was for the first time Akal Takht has put its official stamp on a religious dera working in violation of the established Sikh Maryada since the period of the Sikh Gurus.

     
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  3. Gyani Jarnail Singh

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    age old adage..give a dog a bad name and then shoot him..or give a lot of rope..and he will hang himself...coming true..chickens are coming home to roost...more fireworks to come....no need to wait for DIWALI !!

    Gyani jarnail Singh
     
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    Patna priests reject Akal Takht Gurmatta
    Impeach Vedanti, 4 other high priests
    Varinder Walia
    Tribune News Service

    Amritsar, June 10
    The Sikh clergy of Patna Sahib today impeached Jathedars of all three Takhts of Punjab (Akal Takht, Takht Damdama Sahib and Takht Kesgarh Sahib), besides the Head Granthi and Granthi of the Golden Temple, debarring them from taking part in any panthic activities.


    Takht Patna Sahib has also rejected the Gurmatta passed by Sikh high priests at Akal Takht on June 6. The action of the Takht has created chaos in the panthic circles. Earlier, Takht Patna Sahib had excommunicated Prof Darshan Singh, former Jathedar of Akal Takht. His excommunication was rejected through the Gurmatta passed by Akal Takht on June 6.

    The Patna Sikh clergy took serious view of the humiliation of Giani Iqbal Singh, who was roughed up and not allowed to attend the Akal Takht meeting held here to mark Ghallughara Divas.

    Declaring them “mahan doshi” (guilty of religious misconduct) for rejecting the directives of the Sikh clergy of Patna Sahib, Giani Iqbal Singh, Jathedar, Patna Sahib, and other four high priests resolved that the high priests of Punjab had tried to denigrate Takht Patna Sahib.

    The Gurmatta of Takht Patna Sahib reiterates that the Takht is the temporal authority of the Sikhs since it is related to the birth of the Tenth Sikh Master, Guru Gobind Singh.

    The Gurmatta further states that Prof Darshan Singh was declared Tankhaya and was cleared of serious charges by Akal Takht under a “deep-rooted” conspiracy.
     
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    Open Warfare..its a can of WORMS...or Jathedars' Trunk (aka Pandorra's Box).
    Jathedar Iqbal Singh has revealed today that even though ALL "HUKMNAMAS" from Akal takhat carry the names/signatures of the High Priests... the ACTUAL WORDS are written by the Patit Media Advsior of Badal, and Makkar president of SGPC sitting in on the meeting of the "five high priests ".. The Jathedars just SIGN these.
    So there you are the stink has hit the FAN big time....genuinely concerned Sikhs ahve semlt a rat for decades....here is the final PROOF.....about all the high and mighty hukmanmahs about Kala afghana, Spokesman etc etc..

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    Respected Gyani Sahib,

    This is sorry state but without a doubt das is informing that Kala Afghana Sahib and Spokesman has great support from congress.

    Proof.
    1.Govt Tenders notification given by Amrinder Singh govt made this news paaper to stand at its own in crucial period.
    2.Sarana and aide to Mrs Sonia Gandhi daily gives his adds also to the same news paper.
    3.Das once read a strange thing in the news paper when some Sant from the family of Amrinder was termed as true Sants in the same news paper.
    4.They want to remove thier financial crunch so they are doing aggressive marketing for Ekas Ke Barik trusts.
    The other gruop anti to Akal Takhat and Akali Dal Badal.
    The whole bunch of Pro Dasham Granth Sahib guys.
    1.Simarnjeet Singh Maan.
    2.Joginder Singh Raqbe wale
    3.H S Dumma

    some of them have afliation to Bhattal faction of congress.

    Lastly Akal Takhat under control by Mr Badal.Who is follower of Baba Ashutosh.
    proof
    1.Activity of the cult were back once the goverment was changed.
    2.On the behest of Badal Chelis of Asutish attacked the offices of spokeman.

    Asutosh intialy is trained by RSS upto 3rd year(it is Rank in them).He was later posted with Manavta Mission ,who sent him abraod ,where he had case with female. So he was fired.He started his own busness with Divya Jytoi Jagriti etc.Some guys in RSS(in Punjab) with Arya Samaji Back ground do use the office of RSS to weaken us.So they may hobnob with Badal,But Badal himself is more staunch devotee of Baba Asutosh.

    So all are naked in this bath tub(is Hamam mai Sabh Nange Hai) .Trust in God and not humans.Akal Bless.
     
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    lol

    vijaydep ji

    what a fine mess :)
     
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    Dal Khalsa for forced retirement of Jathedars
    Varinder Walia
    Tribune News Service


    Amritsar, June 11
    Even as the Sikh Nation Organisation, headed by Dr Manjit Singh Randhawa, has appealed for a truce among Sikh high priests, radical Sikh outfit Dal Khalsa has urged the authorities concerned for compulsory retirement of all Jathedars.

    Secretary-general of the Dal Khalsa Kanwarpal Singh said the warring Jathedars had brought shame to the Sikh community and they had no right to lead the Sikh Panth.

    There’s a feeling among Sikhs that all five Jathedars have become a liability, he said, demanding that the Jathedars either resolve their disputes amicably or quit forthwith to put an end to religious controversies, which are a cause of concern for Sikh diaspora the world over.

    We don’t think that Jathedar Vedanti will ever be able to restore the dignity of the office he has been holding since long, he said.

    Gaini Iqbal Singh’s performance in the capacity of the Jathedar of Takht Patna Sahib was too bitter to swallow, the Dal Khalsa leader added.

    President of Sikh Nation Organisation maintained that personal ego had no place in the Sikh way of life, which is based on kindness, truthfulness, love and humility. Recent religious controversy was due to clash of egos of the high priests.

    He said whatever happened on June 6 in Amritsar during a meeting of the high priests was a “blatant violation” of Sikh Maryada. He maintained that the high priests of all five Takhts were equal in status and powers.
     
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    With apologies to thread participants and thread starter, Soul_Jyot ji I am posting this news release for the benefit of members who may not have the requisite background to understand how Dal Khalsa fits into the big picture in this story. In fact, Dal Khalsa was working in March, months ahead of these current events, toward heading off a crisis.

    Eminent scholars to draft norms and code of conduct for the working of jathedar; 17-member drafting committee constituted


    Thursday March 27th, 2008
    To outline working procedure for the jathedar, a 17-member committee of eminent scholars and well known academicians having deep faith in Sikh ideology and principles has been constituted.

    [​IMG]The formation of this committee was decided at the Sikh conclave organized by Dal Khalsa on March 9 at Amritsar to prepare a document on the overall working sphere of the jathedar of the Akal Takht Sahib and other Takhts.

    In a joint statement Manjit Singh Calcutta, Bhai Mohkam Singh, Harchranjit Singh Dhami, Kanwarpal Singh and Gurdeep Singh Bhatinda (all coordinators) said this drafting committee has been constituted to draft a Panthic code to ensure the smooth and judicious working of all Takht jathedar's. Elaborating its terms of reference they said this committee would deliberate on qualification, appointment, working conditions, tenure, operational conditions and removal of the Takht Jathedar's.

    They said once the draft would be ready, it will be circulated amongst the Sikh institutions and groups world over for ratification. All suggestions and opinions will be considered and incorporated. To build an opinion and consensus a series of get-together will be arranged in different parts of state and country to deliberate and examine the various facets of the post of jathedar. The entire exercise will be concluded by March 14, 2009. They said Bhag Singh Ankhi, secretary Chief Khalsa Deevan and Dr Balwant Singh Dhillon from GNDU has been appointed convenor and co-convenor respectively of the committee. We took extra care to include apolitical persons to keep the committee above any political conflict.

    Reiterating that Akal Takht Sahib was the highest Sikh seat of spiritual and temporal authority, they said the concepts of Sandesh, Gurmata and Hukamnama have become hazed over the years because of the manner in which edicts have been handed over in recent years. Ironically, right now the post of the jathedar is in the midst of controversies. "Our fundamental objective is to correct the fault line and make the post of the jathedar independent from all political and administrative constraints.

    Members of the drafting committee includes Dr. Kharak Singh (Chandigarh), Dr. Balkar Singh (Patiala), Former Vice-Chancellor Prithipal Singh Kapur (Ludhiana), H.S. Phoolka (Senior Advocate, Delhi), Principal Prabhjot Kaur (Patiala), Waryam Singh (SGPC, Amritsar), S Saran Singh Editor 'The Sikh Review', Director Jagdish Singh (Amritsar), Prof. Gurbax Singh Ex-Dean Agricultural University, Principal (retd) Surjit Singh Gandhi, Dr. Jaswant Singh Neki, former PGI Director, Prof Sukhdayal Singh (Punjabi University), Roop Singh (SGPC), Naraien Singh (Gurdaspur), Principal Harsimran Singh (Anandpur Sahib) beside Bhag Singh Ankhi and Dr. B S Dhillon.

    A related article at this link http://www.dalkhalsa.com/Archives/News/Mar_08/09_Mar_08.html

    My personal take on this news release: Dal Khalsa has its own controversial history in relationship to the topic of this thread. However, the committee members listed above represent a very diverse cross-section of Sikh interests. Correct me if I am wrong, but this looks like a very constructive move on the part of Dal Khalsa insofar as has put together a committee to encourage a balanced a temperate dialog.
     
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    Believe it or not, what Vijaydeep Singh is saying is a truth and all Sikhs need to understand it. Some time one has to stand alone to follow the track.
     

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