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<blockquote data-quote="Ishna" data-source="post: 203157" data-attributes="member: 2709"><p>Ji, you need to start reading the full shabads. You will gain the context you are missing. As stated earlier, quoting single tuks is actually frowned upon in our terms of service for the very reason that it makes it hard-to-impossible to understand.</p><p></p><p>The shabad you're reading is by the poet Kall, in a section of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that is contains work by poet-contemporaries of the Guru Sahiba<u>n</u>. They are specifically honouring the Gurus.</p><p></p><p>Have another read of the panna you quoted from, available here: <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1407&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=2&p=0&k=0&fb=0" target="_blank">http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1407&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=2&p=0&k=0&fb=0</a> .</p><p></p><p>I notice a few things straight away:</p><p>1. It says Guru Arjun Sahib Ji was a saint of the Lord</p><p>2. It says Guru Arjun Sahib Ji made the Guru's shabad (word) manifest</p><p>3. It says the Lord can be seen through the Guru (the Guru is the gateway/window to understanding and connecting with the Lord)</p><p>4. "In the house of Guru Ram Dass, Guru Arjan Dev has been manifested as the Embodiment of the Fearless Lord. ||2||" It is not that any of the Gurus are actually God per say, but they radiate God's light so thoroughly through their wisdom and their conduct that devotees may get a glimpse of the Ik Onkar.</p><p>5. Read verse number 4!</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਖੇਲੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਗੂੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਉ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਕੀਅਉ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਹਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87" target="_blank">ਰਾਇ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸੰਤੋਖਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93" target="_blank">ਸਮਾਚਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਿਓ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2" target="_blank">ਬਿਮਲ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਬੁਧਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਸਮਾਣਉ </a>॥</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Kẖel gūṛĥa▫o kī▫a▫o har rā▫e sanṯokẖ samācẖri▫ya▫o bimal buḏẖ saṯgur samāṇa▫o.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">God, the King, has staged the wondrous play and has infused and amassed contentment and immaculate understanding, in the True Guru.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80" target="_blank">ਆਜੋਨੀ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਸੰਭਵਿਅਉ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਸੁਜਸੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF" target="_blank">ਕਲ੍ਯ੍ਯ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਕਵੀਅਣਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਬਖਾਣਿਅਉ </a>॥</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Ājonī sambẖvi▫a▫o sujas kal▫y kavī▫aṇ bakẖāṇi▫a▫o.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">The poets, like Kall, recite the sublime praise of the Guru, <strong>who is the manifestation of the unborn and self-illumined Lord</strong>.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਗੁਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਨਾਨਕਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਅੰਗਦੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਵਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਗੁਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਅੰਗਦਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0" target="_blank">ਅਮਰ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਨਿਧਾਨੁ </a>॥</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Gur Nānak angaḏ var▫ya▫o gur angaḏ amar niḏẖān.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Guru Nanak blessed Angad and Guru Angad blest Amar Dass with the Name Treasure.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank">ਗੁਰਿ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8" target="_blank">ਰਾਮਦਾਸ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਅਰਜੁਨੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A8%89" target="_blank">ਵਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਪਾਰਸੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਪਰਸੁ </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81" target="_blank">ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ </a>॥੪॥</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Gur Rāmḏās arjun var▫ya▫o pāras paras parmāṇ. ||4||</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">Guru Ram Dass blessed Arjan Dev, who touching the Philosopher's stone, became acceptable.</p><p></p><p>6. As has already been explained to you as clearly as is possible by Chaz Ji, and that you have quoted to us yourself - the Creator is in the creation and the creation is in the Creator. Sikhi teaches us that it is entirely possible for us to remove the veil of illusion that makes us think we are separate from God, and realise God here-and-now. The shabad is saying that Guru Arjun Sahib Ji achieved that.</p><p></p><p>Are you going to continue handing us single tuks?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishna, post: 203157, member: 2709"] Ji, you need to start reading the full shabads. You will gain the context you are missing. As stated earlier, quoting single tuks is actually frowned upon in our terms of service for the very reason that it makes it hard-to-impossible to understand. The shabad you're reading is by the poet Kall, in a section of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that is contains work by poet-contemporaries of the Guru Sahiba[U]n[/U]. They are specifically honouring the Gurus. Have another read of the panna you quoted from, available here: [URL]http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1407&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=2&p=0&k=0&fb=0[/URL] . I notice a few things straight away: 1. It says Guru Arjun Sahib Ji was a saint of the Lord 2. It says Guru Arjun Sahib Ji made the Guru's shabad (word) manifest 3. It says the Lord can be seen through the Guru (the Guru is the gateway/window to understanding and connecting with the Lord) 4. "In the house of Guru Ram Dass, Guru Arjan Dev has been manifested as the Embodiment of the Fearless Lord. ||2||" It is not that any of the Gurus are actually God per say, but they radiate God's light so thoroughly through their wisdom and their conduct that devotees may get a glimpse of the Ik Onkar. 5. Read verse number 4! [INDENT][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%96%E0%A9%87%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%81']ਖੇਲੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%82%E0%A9%9C%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%89']ਗੂੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਉ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%89']ਕੀਅਉ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B9%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਹਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%87']ਰਾਇ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%A4%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BF']ਸੰਤੋਖਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9A%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%93']ਸਮਾਚਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਿਓ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B2']ਬਿਮਲ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BF']ਬੁਧਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%A4%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%89']ਸਮਾਣਉ [/URL]॥ Kẖel gūṛĥa▫o kī▫a▫o har rā▫e sanṯokẖ samācẖri▫ya▫o bimal buḏẖ saṯgur samāṇa▫o. God, the King, has staged the wondrous play and has infused and amassed contentment and immaculate understanding, in the True Guru. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%86%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%80']ਆਜੋਨੀ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%AD%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%89']ਸੰਭਵਿਅਉ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81']ਸੁਜਸੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B2%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF']ਕਲ੍ਯ੍ਯ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%B5%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF']ਕਵੀਅਣਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AC%E0%A8%96%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%89']ਬਖਾਣਿਅਉ [/URL]॥ Ājonī sambẖvi▫a▫o sujas kal▫y kavī▫aṇ bakẖāṇi▫a▫o. The poets, like Kall, recite the sublime praise of the Guru, [B]who is the manifestation of the unborn and self-illumined Lord[/B]. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਗੁਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%95%E0%A8%BF']ਨਾਨਕਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A6%E0%A9%81']ਅੰਗਦੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A8%89']ਵਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਗੁਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A9%B0%E0%A8%97%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BF']ਅੰਗਦਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0']ਅਮਰ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF%E0%A8%A7%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਨਿਧਾਨੁ [/URL]॥ Gur Nānak angaḏ var▫ya▫o gur angaḏ amar niḏẖān. Guru Nanak blessed Angad and Guru Angad blest Amar Dass with the Name Treasure. [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%97%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BF']ਗੁਰਿ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A6%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B8']ਰਾਮਦਾਸ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%85%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%81%E0%A8%A8%E0%A9%81']ਅਰਜੁਨੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%AF%E0%A8%89']ਵਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81']ਪਾਰਸੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%81']ਪਰਸੁ [/URL][URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AA%E0%A9%8D%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%A3%E0%A9%81']ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ [/URL]॥੪॥ Gur Rāmḏās arjun var▫ya▫o pāras paras parmāṇ. ||4|| Guru Ram Dass blessed Arjan Dev, who touching the Philosopher's stone, became acceptable.[/INDENT] 6. As has already been explained to you as clearly as is possible by Chaz Ji, and that you have quoted to us yourself - the Creator is in the creation and the creation is in the Creator. Sikhi teaches us that it is entirely possible for us to remove the veil of illusion that makes us think we are separate from God, and realise God here-and-now. The shabad is saying that Guru Arjun Sahib Ji achieved that. Are you going to continue handing us single tuks? [/QUOTE]
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